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Oh dear me posted:I don't know, that sounds realistic to me. Victors want to divvy the spoils among their friends; being of the same religion isn't a reason to keep your stuff, there's plenty of other coreligionists who would like it. It's not much of a holy war if you keep fighting soldiers of the same religion as yours to usurp their lands. The Cheshire Cat posted:I think this is supposed to be what happens in CK3 too but it seems buggy. Having a pluralist religion is supposed to vassalize everyone instead of seizing land (you only seize the land directly owned by the person you declared war on) but every time I holy war a kingdom as a pluralist religion I still seem to personally seize 90% of the realm. I thought it might be something to do with losing a duchy to another duke, since one can't vassalize the other, but the same thing happens taking land from counts. Maybe it's best to wait for a patch or two since there seem to be a lot of broken/badly balanced features between tribal to feudal conversion, dread, abduction, holy orders...
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Dallan Invictus posted:This is frequently said but not quite true, and misunderstanding it steers people away from a pretty easy way to handle partition succession. Thanks for this. It really helped make partition click in my brain. I started a game as Ivar the Boneless and rushed creating a kingdom before he dies. I gave each of my four non-heir sons a duchy and now my heir gets the kingdom and the capital duchy and counties. Nothing is lost on succession. My issue now is that my capital duchy is not as good as some of the other duchies in my kingdom, but I'll have to fix that with some title wizardry later. I'm just glad I have a sensible distribution of land at the moment.
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blue squares posted:I had a Liberty Faction start up against me. Their armies were pathetic so I told them to pound sand. The war began and despite me having a vastly superior army I got handed 4 defeats in rapid order. Not sure what happened. I had the game speed on too fast, but I also find war incomprehensible. Understanding which units on the map are which appears to be beyond my capabilities. I often see units on the map that I can't select. There's no easy way to directly compare actual military strength but when a move order will lead to a battle you'll often see a minus, plus or something else that you can highlight and it will tell you the general likelihood of winning. Aside from that you can look at the battle itself and see the various bonuses you and your opponent have.
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blue squares posted:I reloaded my game. How do I stop a liberty faction? It has four members. Dread is by far the most powerful new vassal management tool. Hop over to your dungeon and execute a few prisoners.
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blue squares posted:I had a Liberty Faction start up against me. Their armies were pathetic so I told them to pound sand. The war began and despite me having a vastly superior army I got handed 4 defeats in rapid order. Not sure what happened. I had the game speed on too fast, but I also find war incomprehensible. Understanding which units on the map are which appears to be beyond my capabilities. I often see units on the map that I can't select. You will only ever be able to select and control your own units that you raised by clicking on your rally point and clicking on the raise army button there. Those units should have a green background behind the unit count. Allied units will have a blue background. (You typically have to call in any allies you have manually.) Enemy armies have a red background. Hostile third parties have an orange background. (Third parties include people who have declared war on the same enemy you declared war on, or raiders.) Keep a close eye on the position of the enemy armies in relation of your own and only try to engage in combat when victory is assured. Play on speed 3 or 4 during wars and make heavy use of pausing so you don't miss anything.
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I created a Custom Empire to keep the band together a few generations back, but now I have enough to claim the Empire of Tibet. Is the correct move to create Empire of Tibet, then destroy Custom Empire title, so that next generation doesn't have twin emps?? I imagine doing it the other way around will shatter my realm instantly, but then The Custom Empire is in huge pieces of what was once on the map as Tibet, so I'm also concerned that destroying the Custom will obliterate some of the Tibetan de jure??? for visual reference:  
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OK, here's one: The mayors of Visby, some of my most successful vassals, have conquered a good chunk of Estonia/Lithuania for me. The problem is, whenever they die, even though most of their holdings are castle counties, they still somehow go to the next elected mayor of Visby, which seems....... incorrect. If they were a ducal level republic, I could understand it, but they are not. I'm assuming I don't get levies from those holdings, because the Mayor almost certainly won't, since they're the wrong holding type, so there's none for him to pass upward to me. So.... short of outright revoking the titles of a good and loyal vassal who does a lot of work for me, is there a way I can stop this? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On that note, having a strong mayoral vassal in your kingdom, whether you're as their liege or another vassal, you might want to give strong consideration to matrilineally marrying the occasional daughter to them. As a low-born, they'll always accept. If you're their liege, the powerful vassal will now not join factions against you, because you are allied. If you're not the liege, you simply get a powerful ally within the kingdom. Further, all those children your daughter will have will be of your dynasty, and will be quite willing to join your court when you become an adult, allowing you to marry them out elsewhere for further alliances. As a republic vassal, you can keep doing it and never have to worry about incest penalties, because every mayor will simply be a new, completely random guy. (Though, it's a little sad that I've never seen some random highborn visitor/courtier be elected. I feel courtiers of the republic with a high enough combination of diplo/stewardship should sometimes become the new mayor.) Speaking of matrilineally marrying away your daughters, my dynasty now stands to inherit the Kingdom of Wales and a large portion of England(the Danelaw). Totally an accident. I just inherited when I had three daughters and no sons, so my goal was 1)Get alliances fast and 2)Make sure they were matrilineal, so I could play as the same line. Some shockingly powerful countess in Wales agreed, because she was normal-married to her husband, so it wasn't like her son was of her own dynasty anyhow. I never thought to check her husband, as it was already exactly what I was looking for, and, welp. Turns out her Husband was the heir to Wales. So....... his heir is now matrilineally married to my firstborn daughter, and I doubt anyone can convince his son to drop her, as she's a genius. Meanwhile, my second daughter matrilineally married the third son of Northumbria. The first two brothers died without my intervention by really wanting to be knights and apparently not being very good at it. So that'll now inherit into my dynasty, too. Hopefully their children figure out how to overthrow the Danelaw, so I can have that and Wales as allies I can count on. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EDIT: Back to the Mayor of Visby thing---if I make him a Duke of somewhere, will he then ditch the counties that are the wrong holding type, since they'll remain his vassals? Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Sep 12, 2020 |
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So what's the fastest/easiest way to get out of tribal and into feudal? It's been like 100 years but doesn't feel like the innovations come very quickly It's not awful at the moment with tanistry elections since I can sorta pick a solid candidate out of my kinsmen, but ideally I'd like to have the larger/stronger levies soon
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Sep 13, 2020 00:09
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Skypie posted:So what's the fastest/easiest way to get out of tribal and into feudal? It's been like 100 years but doesn't feel like the innovations come very quickly The best way is become vassal of a feudal lord. Of course, this then may lead you to have to wage an independence war later on. If you don't want to do that, try and move your capital to a county you own whose culture is feudal. Then you can switch and reverse it if you want to switch back to your original culture. If you do that, though, you'll have to either get through the innovations or make it to 1020 (I think) before your culture unlocks the feudal innovations. All the switching has a prestige cost, and not everyone will convert back and forth with you. The last option is to try and become the cultural head, focus on scholarship/learning and boost that as much as possible.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:If you're the house head you should be able to legitimize his bastards? You don't have to actually be the parent to do it. His wife has seriously excellent genetic traits, it's why I had him marry her in the drat first place. His bastards mostly have a bad inbreeding problem. One didn't even make it to three years old.
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Sep 13, 2020 00:29
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drat it. I'm an idiot. Visby is the Dukedom title for Gotland. Why aren't you giving out those counties, you rear end in a top hat? 
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Sep 13, 2020 00:30
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Right, so is the general rule for ensuring smooth successions in gavelkind to be conquering as much land is needed until your primary heir finally inherits the capital duchy in its entirety? That seems to be the boundary.
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I'm new at this and haven't read the thread and have no idea what I'm doing!!! I'm playing the ireland tutorial and, am I just supposed to appoint people to my council, build buildings, set what my council members do, make sure I have enough knights, marry everyone off, and wait? I can't go to war with anyone. I noticed there was a siege in one of my friend's territories (I realise friend is not a useful word here) so I raised some soldiers and sent them there, and that made the siege... go faster???? Also it just crashed to desktop after about an hour of play, so if there are any tips for that please let me know! I'm playing the xbox live gamepass version on pc.
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Sep 13, 2020 00:45
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toasterwarrior posted:Right, so is the general rule for ensuring smooth successions in gavelkind to be conquering as much land is needed until your primary heir finally inherits the capital duchy in its entirety? That seems to be the boundary. Yes. But you don't always need land in fact, because the division is by top ranking title, so if you can get an equal number of duchy titles for each heir you don't need to conquer all their counties.
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Man I have a bucketload of titles I could create but they are so drat expensive lol
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drat, hell of a dilemma in my game. Started as Munster, took over Britannia, transformed Insular Christianity into your standard gnostic incest cult as you do, and have been merrily conquering my way across western Europe, grabbing everything from Rome to Lisbon. Turns out one of my vassals from bumfuck nowhere somehow managed to get his son married to the daughter of the freaking Byzantine Emperor, and now his daughter has taken the throne, having been converted by her husband to my religion. The dukes and counts of the Byzantine Empire, though...well, let's say they'd not exactly happy about it:  Almost every vassal of the empress is fighting an independence war against Byzantium right now. If they win Byzantium is turbofucked, and with the Mongols on the doorstep that's bad news. Now I could marry one of my kids to the Empress' daughter and make an alliance, riding in to save the day, but I can't decide if watching the empire explode like this is too funny not to just let happen.
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wheres the patch johan you charlatan
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redreader posted:am I just supposed to appoint people to my council, build buildings, set what my council members do, make sure I have enough knights, marry everyone off, and wait? I can't go to war with anyone. I noticed there was a siege in one of my friend's territories (I realise friend is not a useful word here) so I raised some soldiers and sent them there, and that made the siege... go faster???? You can only fight enemies in wars you've explicitly declared or joined. If you see a vassal fighting you can right click on them and offer to join their war, and then you could fight. If you can't declare war on anyone yourself you probably need to fabricate some claims, or recruit people with claims to your court - keep an eye on your visitors. Also watch out for decisions you can take like hunting and do forth. And remember you can speed things up when not much is happening.
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Veryslightlymad posted:
If my ruler is intrigue focused, this is what i do. Matrilineally marry off daughters to 2nd/3rd in line for succession, then murder down the succession chain until my dynasty now runs that duchy/kingdom.
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One thing that is helping me deal with the succession stuff is to remember that I am supposed to be playing this game as a character, not as me the human user. My ruler has three sons and he isn't going to just care about one because his mind will be transferred into his eldest son's when he dies. He wants all three to be successful. So I play it that way and make sure all my heirs are set up OK. Then when I play the son, well maybe now I hate one of my brothers because he picked on me or killed my dog or something. So I take his land, but my other brother I'm cool with. My goal is to have a strong dynasty overall, not just the single character I am playing.
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So I've heard of 'eloping' with other people's spouses. This is a side of seduction/intrigue that I didn't know about. What is the process for eloping?
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Boot and Rally posted:So I've heard of 'eloping' with other people's spouses. This is a side of seduction/intrigue that I didn't know about. What is the process for eloping? I believe the target needs to be your soulmate, so you need to romance them first.
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Excelzior posted:you can rack up enough piety to revive a dead faith by using a faith with Human Sacrifices and killing...a lot of people... There's something weirdly poetic about reviving a dead faith by murdering hundreds of people. "When one of you motherfuckers meets Zeus, tell him to have a word with me"
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Piell posted:You can form an Independence faction and ask your liege to let you go, but it's pretty unlikely to work. Yea that's what I am doing now. Okay, whats up with everyone getting pissed off at you when you punish family members for doing stuff like murdering their mother, wife, and their own children, or rising up against you to steal your titles and just generally bad stuff? Oh your cousin murdered your father and then rose up against you to steal your Duchy, but he's family! You can't imprison him!
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My entire sultanate has exploded into a massive civil war because my previous sultan couldn't keep it in his pants. When he was still my heir, apparently he began sleeping with his brother's (who is the most powerful emir, of course) wife. My sultan dies, and Garsiya II takes the throne. He immediately gets outed for the affair and gives his brother's wife Great Pox. His brother immediately forms a faction against me and then murders me before I even realize what's going on. Now HIS son is trying to rule in a civil war after having his remaining titles other than Toledo partitioned out. rip, Garsiya II ruled from May 30th, 1190 to June 20th, 1190. You've destroyed everything, and I hate you.
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Nobody in this game can keep it in their pants, I hope "AI won't take seduction focus" returns in an early patch. I tire of dying and finding out my son has 73 vengeful lovers.
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This is by far my favorite flavor text so far.  Oh...well I guess she must be a bit of a dunce who needs others to do her work for her. It's a shame since she seemed so clever as a child. 
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Kagon posted:My entire sultanate has exploded into a massive civil war because my previous sultan couldn't keep it in his pants. When he was still my heir, apparently he began sleeping with his brother's (who is the most powerful emir, of course) wife. My sultan dies, and Garsiya II takes the throne. He immediately gets outed for the affair and gives his brother's wife Great Pox. His brother immediately forms a faction against me and then murders me before I even realize what's going on. Now HIS son is trying to rule in a civil war after having his remaining titles other than Toledo partitioned out. rip, Garsiya II ruled from May 30th, 1190 to June 20th, 1190. You've destroyed everything, and I hate you. It's funny how often the most impactful rulers are the ones that have the shortest reigns. You can have someone on the throne for 60 years and have everything mostly be stable and boring but a couple short reigns in a row will really shake things up.
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War score contribution is loving broken and I hate it. An ally called me to help put down an uprising of his. So I did. I captured the enemy commander in battle, and thereby won the war. Singlehandedly. My war contribution "0%". The gently caress it is. I did literally everything you scumbag game.
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Veryslightlymad posted:War score contribution is loving broken and I hate it. Yeah I think there's a bug with intervening with civil wars like this where you always get 0 war contribution no matter what you do. It works fine when you help them against external enemies.
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Boot and Rally posted:So I've heard of 'eloping' with other people's spouses. This is a side of seduction/intrigue that I didn't know about. What is the process for eloping? It's unlocked by a trait in the Chivalry path, so you need to get that. Then you need the target to actually like you via seduce or romance schemes.
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Veryslightlymad posted:War score contribution is loving broken and I hate it. I'm not sure if it's that war score is actually broken, or if it's just that the tooltips are broken. When I joined a few crusades, I got a message at the end saying that my contribution was 0%, but it was close to 100% before the war ended, and my beneficiary got the kingdom, so clearly the game must have registered that I was doing stuff.
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Hellioning posted:It's unlocked by a trait in the Chivalry path, so you need to get that. Then you need the target to actually like you via seduce or romance schemes. I don't think you actually need Chivalry, Chivalry just boosts it a lot. Based on what's on the wiki, anyway.
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Apparently the cheat menu option to make a woman pregnant is actually you impregnating them. So because I when i got my daughter pregnant because she's married to the king of bavaria who is chase, i really got my daughter pregnant. Oops.
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twistedmentat posted:Apparently the cheat menu option to make a woman pregnant is actually you impregnating them. So because I when i got my daughter pregnant because she's married to the king of bavaria who is chase, i really got my daughter pregnant. Lmao
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Eej posted:There's no easy way to directly compare actual military strength but when a move order will lead to a battle you'll often see a minus, plus or something else that you can highlight and it will tell you the general likelihood of winning. Aside from that you can look at the battle itself and see the various bonuses you and your opponent have. Those indicators frequently nonsense though. I have semi-routinely had it tell me I would Lose Decisively, when it was obvious I would win handily (and I did).
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Magil Zeal posted:I don't think you actually need Chivalry, Chivalry just boosts it a lot. Based on what's on the wiki, anyway. It is a bit confusing and I've never done it but from what the wiki explains to elope you need to have already successfully romanced them, so you won't see the option until you've already made them your soulmate. I would assume you also need to be unmarried, I don't know if this is also required for your target. PittTheElder posted:Those indicators frequently nonsense though. I have semi-routinely had it tell me I would Lose Decisively, when it was obvious I would win handily (and I did). Yeah I think it bases this just based on an evaluation of positive and negative factors but it's not actually crunching the numbers on it. So if you have a small army of entirely MAA and they have double your numbers in pure levies, it might call that "even" because it sees "you have the advantage of higher quality of troops, they have the advantage of more troops", even though in practice the MAA army will absolutely annihilate the other one. The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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blue squares posted:Lmao This had the effect of the King of Bavaria imprisoning my daughter and then burning her at the stake, which gave me a good reason to declare independence, still feel bad. My poor homely shy daughter. BTW as time marches on, do peoples clothing and such change? Because people dressed way differently in the 12th century than they did in the 9th. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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People weren't kidding with Ally AI in wars.... I haven't had too many problems when it's one war.... I've found the Allies actually make some reasonably intelligent maneuvers. But what's completely loving inexcusable is when you have multiple wars in different parts of the continent, and you call some allies to one war, and some to another war, they don't loving UNDERSTAND what war they're a part of, and whoever couldn't catch that has a lot of explaining to do.
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