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Skwirl posted:It's Spider-Man in a What if, so... To be fair he doesn't always die in What If comics, just most of the time
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drrockso20 posted:To be fair he doesn't always die in What If comics, just most of the time Is there a What If he's in and doesn't die?
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Sep 11, 2020 06:38
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Skwirl posted:Is there a What If he's in and doesn't die? Can't name them all but one of the one's that comes to mind is the one where he keeps the Captain Universe powers
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Sep 11, 2020 07:30
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Skwirl posted:Is there a What If he's in and doesn't die? He didn't die in "What if Spider-Man never lost his four extra arms?" Morbius the Living Vampire died in that one instead.
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Sep 11, 2020 07:38
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I liked Reign, where the hook was Mary Jane dies because radioactive sperm
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Infinitum posted:I liked Reign, where the hook was Mary Jane dies because radioactive sperm Spider-Man Reign is a good comic that unfortunately is hampered by how overly and unnecessarily edgy it is in nature(not to mention how sloppy it's setting is)
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Sep 11, 2020 10:54
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And also Peter's dick.
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Sep 11, 2020 11:18
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Skwirl posted:Is there a What If he's in and doesn't die? But then Spider-Verse happened...
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Sep 11, 2020 11:20
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Was it Gavok who did the review of every What If for 4thLetter and charted how many times Spider-Man died? It was a pretty significant number of times, if I recall correctly. It makes sense—no better way to show you're not canon than by killing off the flagship character and getting those sweet tragedy points. And as for Reign, the radioactive sperm turns the pathos to bathos, but I get what they were going for: Spider-Man is literally toxic to his loved ones. If it was just that being so close to a man with radioactive blood gave her cancer, it would have worked.
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Sep 11, 2020 18:37
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Sep 11, 2020 19:06
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Reminder that Doom once launched a New York skyscraper into space.
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Sep 11, 2020 19:22
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As opposed to when Juggernaut knocked over one of the towers and guffawed like he was making Tribute.avi about it while fighting X-force + Spiderman Spider Man #16  
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Sep 11, 2020 19:37
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Skwirl posted:Is there a What If he's in and doesn't die? Spider-man just dies a lot in What Ifs because he's in a lot of What Ifs. Kingpin is the one who dies in every What If.
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Sep 11, 2020 19:48
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Lurdiak posted:Spider-man just dies a lot in What Ifs because he's in a lot of What Ifs. Killing off Spidey is also a standby in What Ifs, because it's something that would never happen in mainstream continuity. Until Superior, of course.
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I still don't know why in the nineties it was a requirement that everyone shouting/laughing/opening their mouth real wide" must have also lines slobber.
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Sep 11, 2020 20:52
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Still as lame as the first time. When Shmorky can dunk on you, you're loving up: 
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Sep 11, 2020 21:06
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Look at them standing. Stoically. Sadly. A look that tells us, "We know who the real villains are!" 
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mind the walrus posted:Still as lame as the first time. When Shmorky can dunk on you, you're loving up:
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Monaghan posted:I still don't know why in the nineties it was a requirement that everyone shouting/laughing/opening their mouth real wide" must have also lines slobber. He also has hundreds of teeth.
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I can plausibly see Kingpin being really shaken up by the destruction of the WTC. He ate at Windows on the World all the time. He owned three consecutive floors of the north tower, and two non-consecutive floors of the south. He had super solid kompromat on probably two dozen people who were all killed. Do you know how hard it is to accumulate that poo poo?
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Sep 12, 2020 02:22
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 : "Those sons of bitches. They beat me to it... I had such an elegant plan..."
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JMS, I think that's JMS? Should have gone all the way in and had like Namor show up on a giant tidal wave trying another invasion, see the twin towers in ruins and just be like, "Ah, I'll come back in a week."
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Sep 12, 2020 08:44
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Galactus showing up and solemnly bowing his head before deciding to go eat some Kree planet and leave Earth in sympathy
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Kalli posted:Galactus showing up and solemnly bowing his head before deciding to go eat some Kree planet and leave Earth in sympathy Galactus, Devourer of Worlds, is subject to emotional eating just like anyone else.
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Doom weeps, because he knows that if the world had just accepted him as its true ruler, this never would have happened.
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Lurdiak posted:Spider-man just dies a lot in What Ifs because he's in a lot of What Ifs. Yeah. Kingpin, Beast and I think Loki are the most doomed characters in What If stories. Spider-Man just appears a lot. But what the hell. Here's Spider-Man's fate in every What If appearance. This is from memory, so I might make a few mistakes. Volume 1 - What if Spider-Man had joined the Fantastic Four?: Survives, but feels guilty over Sue Storm ultimately leaving the team to live with Namor. - What if someone else besides Spider-Man had been bitten by the radioactive spider?: Stories of Flash Thompson, Betty Brant and John Jameson each getting bitten by the spider. Flash and John die while Betty quits. In every story, Peter becomes Spider-Man anyway. - What if the world knew Daredevil was blind?: Teams up with Daredevil during the "turning point" intro, but peaces out of the story. - What if Nova had been four other people?: Peter Parker becomes Nova, but gives it up after accidentally killing Uncle Ben's would-be murderer. - What if Spider-Man had never become a crimefighter?: Survives and learns about great power/responsibility after turning Jonah into a villain and possibly causing Daredevil's death. - What if the Avengers fought the Kree-Skrull War without Rick Jones?: Helps Earth's heroes fight off the invaders. Survives, albeit banged up. - What if the Invisible Girl of the Fantastic Four had married the Sub-Mariner?: Sequel to the first issue. Spider-Man leaves the team within the first few pages. - What if Gwen Stacy had lived?: His secret identity is revealed and he ends the story on the run from the law. - What if Captain America had been elected president?: Quick cameo where he warns Jonah that he might get picked as Cap's running mate. - What if Phoenix had not died?: Isn't in the issue, but the universe explodes. - What if the Avengers defeated everybody?: I think he's just captured or depowered or something mild. - What if Spider-Man's clone had lived?: Peter and his clone survive and decide to share the same double-life. - What if the Avengers had become pawns of Korvac?: Forgot if he's in this one, but the universe is wiped out. - What if the Invisible Girl had died in childbirth?: Was probably at the funeral. - What if Captain America were revived today?: Survives as part of Cap's revolution. - What if Spider-Man's Uncle Ben had lived (and Aunt May was murdered instead)?: Survives and is probably mentally healthier because Ben tells him not to blame himself for bullshit. Volume 2 - What if the Avengers had lost the Evolutionary War?: Evolves and flies into space with a bunch of other heroes and mutants before becoming one with the universe or some poo poo. I don't know, it's a bad issue. - What if Daredevil had killed the Kingpin?: Tries to help out Daredevil and maybe bring him in, but Daredevil gets away. - What if the alien costume had possessed Spider-Man?: By the time the symbiote leaves him for the Hulk, it's sucked out enough of his life force to turn him into an old man. Peter dies the next day. - What if the X-Men lost Inferno?: Part of a resistance group that is quickly slaughtered by Wolverine's demonic crew. - What if the Punisher's family had not been killed?: Cameos as a figure that Officer Frank Castle finds more inspiring than the corrupt NYPD. Sounds about right. - What if Professor X of the X-Men had become the Juggernaut?: Wimps out on fighting Xaviernaut because Xavier will tell on Aunt May. Otherwise survives. - What if Wolverine battled Conan the Barbarian?: Once again, not in the issue, but the universe explodes. - What if Kraven the Hunter had killed Spider-Man?: Instead of darting him into a coma, Kraven just shoots him dead. Later, he digs up the body to eat Peter's face. - What if the Vision of the Avengers conquered the world?: In one story, he lives on as the world (and eventually galaxy) becomes a utopia. In the other, he dies in a nuclear blast. - What if Spider-Man had not married Mary Jane?/What if Spider-Man had married the Black Cat?: Survives and goes on to start dating Silver Sable. - What if Wolverine was Lord of the Vampires?: Is turned into a vampire and is later reduced to dust via Darkhold spell. - What if the Marvel Super Heroes had lost Atlantis Attacks?: Is transformed into a mindless snake man and is later killed by a remorseful Gray Hulk. - What if the Punisher had killed Daredevil?: Goes on a med-fueled rampage and gets shot in the head by the Punisher. - What if Captain America had led an army of supersoldiers in World War II?: Considering him a potential threat, the Red Skull (disguised as President Steve Rogers) has Peter Parker killed shortly after he gained his spider powers. - What if Spider-Man had kept his cosmic powers?: Loses all his powers completely at the end, but fathers a child with cosmic powers. - What if Phoenix had not died?/What if Phoenix rose again?: Killed by Sentinels. - What if the Fantastic Five fought Doctor Doom & Annihilus?: Survives, albeit due to some Uatu tinkering. - What if Spider-Man had kept his six arms?: While he has to leave his life as Peter Parker behind, it's one of his more uplifting endings. It's even suggested that he helped stop Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet. - What if Venom had possessed the Punisher?: Survives and is very much better off when the Punisher is able to conquer the Venom symbiote. - What if Cable had destroyed the X-Men?/What if Magneto took over the U.S.A.?: Killed by Sentinels. - What if Spider-Man had killed the Lizard?: I forget what this one's even about, but I know he survives. - What if the Avengers lost Operation: Galactic Storm?: Is shown cradling MJ's body moments before Earth is blown up. - What if the Punisher had killed Spider-Man?: Dies when he gets too close to a pile of explosives made to look like Doc Ock (therefore tricking his spider-sense). - A What If? X-Men Wedding Album: Yet again, Phoenix blows up the universe. - What if Spider-Man's parents destroyed his family?: Goes to prison for killing his fake monster parents. Doesn't care about clearing his name and getting off because MJ is dead. - What if Iron Man sold out?: Survives and becomes one of Iron Man's biggest allies. - What if Captain America was revived in 1994?: Gets shot to death while suffocating Red Skull with webbing. - What if the Silver Surfer had not betrayed Galactus?: Doesn't appear, but Earth is devoured. - What if Spider-Man was a murderer?: Serves time in prison, but is eventually released and presumably goes back to crimefighting. - What if Blink from Generation X had not died?: Presumably gets killed by Venom, but that reality is undone. - What if Peter Parker had to destroy Spider-Man?: Flash becomes Spider-Man and Peter is his weapons guy. Peter eventually depowers Flash and becomes a hero with Doc Ock-like spider arms. - What if the New Fantastic Four had remained a team?: Everyone on the team survives, but they decide to split up. - What if Storm had the power of Phoenix?: Is put in some kind of frozen cosmic coma for a while, but is fine by the end. - What if J. Jonah Jameson had adopted Spider-Man?: Has a public identity as he and Jonah start their own version of Heroes for Hire. - What if the Scarlet Spider had killed Spider-Man?: Gets crushed to death and part of him welcomes it, as he's unable to fight off mind control pushing him to go after MJ. - What if...starring Spider-Man: Arachnamorphosis: Becomes Man-Spider and is beaten to death by an angry mob. - What if...starring Juggernaut: The Kingdom of Cain: Not in it, but humanity is wiped out by Sentinels. - What if...starring Spider-Man: The Men Behind the Mask: Survives, but ends up having to unmask in front of Jonah. - What if...starring Archangel: Death and disobedience: Not in it, but it looks like Archangel has wiped out seemingly all of humanity. - What if...starring Spider-Girl: Lived on to be part of a whole new continuity and long-running series about his daughter. - What if...starring the Avengers (What if Carnage had bonded permanently to the Silver Surfer?): Survives. - What if...starring Secret Wars: 25 Years Later: Is revealed to be a skeleton manipulated by the symbiote. 2000's Issues - What if Aunt May had died instead of Uncle Ben?: Survives and continues to fight crime with Ben as his Alfred. - What If: Avengers Disassembled: Erased by Scarlet Witch's chaos magic. - What If: Spider-Man: The Other: Refuses resurrection. The Venom symbiote latches onto his prone body and Peter ultimately loses the battle of wills. "Poison" is the Venom symbiote having total control over Peter's body and mind. - What If: Wolverine: Enemy of the State: Is slashed to death by a brainwashed Wolverine with teleporting powers. - What If: Age of Apocalypse: Is presumably long dead. Apocalypse has a nest of Spider-Man clones covered in a symbiote web, which the heroes destroy. - What If: Planet Hulk: Is enslaved by Caiera. - What If: Annihilation: Survives the big war. - What If: Civil War: In one of the stories, he's killed. I think it's from an army of Thor clones. - What If: Spider-Man vs. Wolverine: Spider-Man becomes an expert mercenary spy alongside Wolverine and a Russian lady who sort of resembles Gwen. I think this version of the character got killed off in Spider-Verse later on. - What If?: The New Fantastic Four: Survives and unlike the earlier take on this story, the team remains together. - What If: House of M: Loses his powers (along with everyone else on Earth), but his eventual kid has spider powers. - What If: Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America: Is in prison and will likely be killed by the Skrull invasion. - What If: Newer Fantastic Four: Survives here too. - What If: Spider-Man: Back in Black: Goes to prison for killing the Kingpin. - What If: Secret Wars: Is killed by Beyonder-powered Dr. Doom. - What If? Spider-Man: House of M: There are two stories in this one. In one, I think reality erases itself for some stupid reason. In the other, Peter becomes the Green Goblin and dies somehow. - What If? Secret Invasion: Goes to prison for accidentally causing a genocide against the Skrull race and much of the human race. - What If? World War Hulk: Iron Man's satellite doesn't depower Hulk and Sentry, but instead causes a nuclear blast that destroys New York. Only Hulk survives. - What If Venom Possessed Deadpool?: Spider-Man was sent falling to his death out of a flying limo while yelling, "Save me, Lord Mephisto!" - What If? Spider-Man: Grim Hunt: Peter becomes kind of a Madam Web replacement. - What If? Dark Reign: Spider-Man is only there for like one scene. - What If? Siege: Venom beats Spider-Man half to death. Osborn stops him for the sake of unmasking Spider-Man out of curiosity. Then he lets Venom finish the job. - What If?: Avengers vs. X-Men: I don't know if Spider-Man has a specific death in this, but it ends with all humanity wiped out and Logan and Phoenix being the new Adam and Eve. - What If? Age of Ultron: One of the issues is basically New Fantastic Four vs. Armor Wars, ending with middle-aged hipster Spider-Man sacrificing himself to destroy Master Mold. Two of the issues don't have him, but feature apocalyptic stuff happening. - What If? Infinity: Dark Reign: With the Infinity Gauntlet, Norman Osborn forces Spider-Man into an endless time loop where he's constantly experiencing Gwen Stacy's death. Osborn undoes this in the end by accidentally preventing his own birth. - What if Flash Thompson became Spider-Man?: Yes, AGAIN. This time, Spider-Flash accidentally kills Peter in a fit of anger. He later gives himself up to the police and admits that he's not the hero he thought he was. - What if Peter Parker became the Punisher?: Peter quits being the Punisher and lets go of his anger. Then Frank Castle's origin happens and we have someone to take up the mantle.
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Gavok posted:- What if Spider-Man had kept his six arms?: While he has to leave his life as Peter Parker behind, it's one of his more uplifting endings. It's even suggested that he helped stop Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet. I had this one as a teenager, and if I remember right, at first they can't do anything about the extra four arms, but eventually Mr. Fantastic remembers that he had some leftover technology from a time when the FF needed to simulate their powers, and he basically creates a set of four arm-length gloves that lets Peter turn his arms invisible so he can go back to having a secret identity (they don't go into how he'd have to modify his clothes to account for the fact that his arms are still physically there, just invisible now). Also, having the extra arms lets him save Gwen Stacy somehow.
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There was also the backup story in the issie where Wolverine kills the Hulk, What If The Fantastic Four Had Never Been, where due to the divergences by the end of the story Reed, Sue, and Johnny are depowered, and Peter Parker, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, and Donald Blake all have their origins negated(and indirectly results in Cap and Namor being left in their limbo states for the time being) Always thought that this was one of the most interesting What If stories, cause now we have an early Silver Age Marvel Universe with only the Thing, Daredevil, Ant-Man & Wasp, Doctor Strange, and the X-Men as its initial wave of heroes
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Skwirl posted:Is there a What If he's in and doesn't die? in What If the Venom Symbiote Possessed the Punisher he survives. (It ends with Frank taming the symbiote by sternly telling it to cut the poo poo)
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Man that loving 9/11 comic. I could never figure out why Doom and Magneto even give a poo poo? They do 9/11’s before breakfast. Also. Doom cries for nothing, NOTHING, except maybe his mom.
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Tall Tale Teller posted:Man that loving 9/11 comic. I could swear there was actually a reference in another comic that said it was a malfunctioning Doombot, but I can't find it. Not sure about Magneto.
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Sep 14, 2020 16:04
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drrockso20 posted:There was also the backup story in the issie where Wolverine kills the Hulk, What If The Fantastic Four Had Never Been, where due to the divergences by the end of the story Reed, Sue, and Johnny are depowered, and Peter Parker, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, and Donald Blake all have their origins negated(and indirectly results in Cap and Namor being left in their limbo states for the time being) I guess maybe they all get eaten by Galactus, unless the Watcher lays down his life like he did in What If? The Avengers Fought Galactus (where the FF died in their flight).
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Sep 14, 2020 16:13
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Tall Tale Teller posted:Man that loving 9/11 comic. I think Doom cried in Doom 2099 when he didn't curb-stomp the megacorps quite hard enough and they melt Latveria with bioweapons. Was that even the real Doom? I don't remember. Hell, between Doom and Ghost Rider 2099, that universe had a rather cool and well-realized anti-megaplex vibe.
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I don't know if they ever retconned it or explained otherwise definitively, but I'm pretty sure at the time Doom 2099 was meant to be the real Doom, I think the real Steve Rogers even showed up at one point.
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Honestly as much as people poo poo on the Spider-Man 9/11 issue (or to be more precise, that one page), it's worth remembering that JMS & Marvel are based in New York, so it's more he was working through his own feelings. I dunno, I feel like the issue as a whole at least rings true, as opposed to the stuff Shmorky was parodying.
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Dan Didio posted:I don't know if they ever retconned it or explained otherwise definitively, but I'm pretty sure at the time Doom 2099 was meant to be the real Doom, I think the real Steve Rogers even showed up at one point. He was I think, at the very end of John Francis Moore's run he fights a pretender to his identity and finds out his whole backstory. Doom 2099 was really good although I'm disinclined to revisit any Ellis work-- I remember that when he takes over the US he appoints the 2099 Punisher as the Minister of Punishment which is fantastic. Yvonmukluk posted:Honestly as much as people poo poo on the Spider-Man 9/11 issue (or to be more precise, that one page), it's worth remembering that JMS & Marvel are based in New York, so it's more he was working through his own feelings. I dunno, I feel like the issue as a whole at least rings true, as opposed to the stuff Shmorky was parodying. Yeah, it's easy to make fun of JMS for being a crummy, self-absorbed writer, and it's especially easy (and reasonable) to look cynically back at 20 years of people capitalizing on the cultural fetishization of 9/11 for facile or mercenary purposes, but it was a profoundly traumatic day for most New Yorkers. I was in high school in Pennsylvania but I knew many, many people whose parents commuted to NYC for work and my primary memories of that day involve seeing friends and classmates terrified and unable to do anything for their loved ones. Granted, my other main memories of that time involve my best friend throughout middle school and high school, who was Egyptian, being scared to come to school and dealing with months of vandalism and harassment, so I don't want it to sound like I'm saying "every emotional response to 9/11 was ok in the moment." I just think JMS wanting to articulate his grief and anxiety in a comic book is not the dumbest or most inexplicable thing in the world. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Sep 14, 2020 |
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biracial bear for uncut posted:I could swear there was actually a reference in another comic that said it was a malfunctioning Doombot, but I can't find it. I'm surprised someone actually went out of their way to try and rationalize it with "Doombot" Instead of, yanno, just ignoring it like the rest of us.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Honestly as much as people poo poo on the Spider-Man 9/11 issue (or to be more precise, that one page), it's worth remembering that JMS & Marvel are based in New York, so it's more he was working through his own feelings. I dunno, I feel like the issue as a whole at least rings true, as opposed to the stuff Shmorky was parodying. And John Romita Jr is about as New York as you can get.
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