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rideANDxORdie posted:Hello league thread! I'm thinking about coming back to the game after taking a year+ off. I was hoping the item rework + pre-season would be a good time to dip my toes back in. I'm a completely average silver player who used to only play duo with one other person who can't play anymore and the thought of playing league just solo is depressing to me. Is there a low-skill goon group or something? I'm a jungle main who can also hack it as support and top I landed in high silver/low gold the seasons I actually played. This season I'm somewhere in Bronze but I'm at, like, 4/10 placements because I just decided to play ARAM all year for some reason, haha. Add me if you're in NA, i'm Baelfael.
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In fact after a quick check it is literally just the cooldown on New Panth’s E that is actually significantly worse. As I keep pointing out his new Q only has a 10-8 second cooldown if you throw the spear, which is twice the range of the old spear, and the tap version is barely shorter for a 5-4 second cooldown (yes worse until max level but only barely). His w was 13-9 seconds before the rework. His E is the loser, with almost double the cooldown. Which I think is in part because the empowered E is such a long duration of invulnerability. If they removed the extra duration from empowered E it could easily be back to 15-12 seconds or something. Make it significantly higher damage or apply an armor shred when empowered instead imo. Oh and his ult, which I do not understand because the new one does less damage, but that’s kind of whatever for this particular talking point.
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Sep 13, 2020 19:20
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Rygar201 posted:Pre Euro Lane Kill lanes with old Pantheon could be called support Pantheon too. Playing against a bad kill lane as a traditional support were some of my favorite games ever, I remember a "support" Riven who fell so far behind when she tried to jump on me from the brush later on in the game I got a 1v1 kill vs. her as Sona, lol
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Sep 13, 2020 19:22
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My favourite dumb kill lane down in the clown lands of OCE is definitely Nautilus plus Pyke.
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Sep 13, 2020 19:23
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Whole lot of Pantheon's power and favorable matchups came from the aegis block passive, new E block doesn't make up for that even if it blocks more in chaotic teamfights, the old block cost 0 mana, was entirely controllable and it didn't slow him when he got it. I'd like to see them re-implement his old passive, get rid of empowered abilities and change his E back to a pure damage ability instead of worse braum shield with some damage. Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2020 19:31
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Lord_Magmar posted:I will say though new E does a truckload of damage if you max it first and land the shield bash, not quite as brutal as it used to be of course. I wonder if it would feel better if they swapped the order it does damage in. Shield bash first followed by the channeled spear strikes. If it was swapped around like that it would be crazy strong for winning trades in lane. You'd get the meat of the damage up front, and then you'd get to back away out of melee range while still keeping the damage block. Putting the big hit at the end means that if you wanna hit them with it you have to stay close and open yourself up to retaliation, since after the final hit your shield is gone.
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Sep 13, 2020 20:25
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Elephunk posted:Here's another jungle question: How often would you say that you abandon clearing a camp in the middle of fighting it to go join a lane PvP fight? Basically never. I often finish my work watching others begin losing space in lane, and only show up if they're backed up to behind their tower. I also never show up before level 5. I'm just a terrible flash farm/rotation roamer. Everything is good up to level 5, then I probably spend too much time walking around not being productive, recalling to base too much, etc. I was infamously bad at Dota 2 here, but partly because every carry in that game is slightly a jungler, expected to leave lane and go kill a convention of centaurs, trolls, harpies, etc hanging out in corners of the forest. In Dota I tended to consistently miss timings for x item at y minutes by long stretches of time, and in League when queued as jungler and going well I tend to hit level 6 one full minute behind the times suggested in guides. If I'm not doing well relative to my usual, well then holy poo poo, the most I can do is try to catchup to my teammates average levels by participating in their fights which works maybe 50% of the time.. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2020 21:36
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Whole lot of Pantheon's power and favorable matchups came from the aegis block passive, new E block doesn't make up for that even if it blocks more in chaotic teamfights, the old block cost 0 mana, was entirely controllable and it didn't slow him when he got it. Yeah, you basically put one of my points out in a hell of a lot less words and hopefully they'll do some consideration of returning the passive. It's also part of why he was a good jungler, being able to do a clear of single target camps using the block made for a pretty healthy clear.
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Sep 13, 2020 22:21
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the Pantheon reworked kind of sucked mechanically but the original Pantheon kit seemed to me like it was a really good example of "when played correctly this character is unbeatable" and I just don't really want that to exist
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Sep 13, 2020 22:35
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henkman posted:Reverse the pantheon and graves reworks, riot graves was one of my favorite adcs, at least partially because he had a really satisfying auto. the reason they reworked him was very dumb, and them making his rework not a bot laner was also very dumb. i do appreciate that part of the adc rework involved them removing two champs from the adc pool, however, as that is very funny
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Sep 13, 2020 23:08
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the graves rework was a coin flip. On the one side, old graves no longer exists as a champ. On the other side, they managed to release a fun, viable and good champion.
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Sep 13, 2020 23:26
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its always a goal of a positional rework to make the role have less champions when its done without actually improving the role
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Sep 13, 2020 23:32
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Does league have an option hidden somewhere like HotS does where you can toggle normalcast/quickcast/smartcast for each spell on each champion individually? I normally like using quickcast-with-indicator but the "hold to charge up and release to actually cast" thing for abilities like Galio W or Vlad W is extremely annoying and i'd much rather have those on normal-cast (where you tap once to start charging and tap again to release), while still keeping other champs' Ws on quickcast. Is there a way to do that without having to futz with the keybinds menu in fountain every time I pick the champ?
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Sep 13, 2020 23:42
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Lord_Magmar posted:My favourite dumb kill lane down in the clown lands of OCE is definitely Nautilus plus Pyke. I always liked singed/voli, house flippers. Voli rework RIP.
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Sep 14, 2020 00:43
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Lord_Magmar posted:My favourite dumb kill lane down in the clown lands of OCE is definitely Nautilus plus Pyke. I'm still sad that Rengar/Ivern gimmick lane doesn't really work.
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Sep 14, 2020 00:53
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Boxman posted:I'm still sad that Rengar/Ivern gimmick lane doesn't really work. I’ve gotten destroyed by Rengar/Yuumi, do that instead
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Sep 14, 2020 01:05
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J4/Leona still sorta works, my friend and I whip it out occasionally. We have to target ban a bit though. Morgana is a no go, and so is Ezreal to a degree. The bigger problem is that you need a huge lead out of lane to do anything in the midgame, and our team will usually refuse to cooperate in any way because we're playing off-meta. The worst rework so far is Sion. Old Sion was a genius champ. If you played him AP, he had two buttons and you could ignore everything else. If you played him AD, similarly. Stun, boom. Stun, boom. Stun, boom. Great champ, sorely missed. As an old man, I'd really like a mechanically ultra-simple champion that relies almost entirely on playing a good macro game. AP Malph is probably the closest these days, but he can't shove lane and roam for poo poo and his playmaking is gated behind a super high CD early game.
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Sep 14, 2020 10:16
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I think that "You only use two buttons and ignore everything else" is very much not good design.
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Sep 14, 2020 10:21
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I tend to prefer champion designs where it matters if you have your monitor plugged in or not
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Sep 14, 2020 10:24
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I really don't get the mindset of people that actually liked the gameplay or visual design of old Sion and don't like new Sion's Q charge-up or ult drifting. I'm hoping for new tank/CDR/damage items to bring Sion back to the monster he was for the year after his rework before they threw tons of nerfs at him. Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Sep 14, 2020 |
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Sep 14, 2020 10:38
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For some reason any time I get into a PBE game, there's a chance I'll just get this. And no matter how many times I try to reconnect, it fails and I just have to wait for the game to end before I can queue for a new one. Is that a common problem? If it changes anything, I only use the PBE for TFT.
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Sep 14, 2020 11:35
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I get it in standard rift games on the regular server. Hit cancel and it goes away instantly. Hit retry and you will be looking at that box again.
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Sep 14, 2020 14:06
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The Mash posted:J4/Leona still sorta works, my friend and I whip it out occasionally. We have to target ban a bit though. Morgana is a no go, and so is Ezreal to a degree. What about ap shyvana? Or udyr? Udyr seems one of the most simple champs now. Teemo also to an extent.
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Sep 14, 2020 17:56
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SirSamVimes posted:For some reason any time I get into a PBE game, there's a chance I'll just get this. 've gotten it too.
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Sep 14, 2020 19:31
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milkman dad posted:What about ap shyvana? Or udyr? Udyr seems one of the most simple champs now. Teemo also to an extent. Udyr suffers heavily from the fact he sucks and additionally Suffers from being one of those champs that only works when people are dumb enough to fight him. In team fights he just gets kited forever or dies instantly. The only thing he’s good at is objective control because of thE fact his 1v1 is insane.
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Sep 14, 2020 19:51
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if you liked jarvan leona, try instead playing sett leona. you will enjoy itmilkman dad posted:What about ap shyvana? Or udyr? Udyr seems one of the most simple champs now. Teemo also to an extent. the simplest champion is yuumi but if you want a simple macro champion just play shen. teemo and udyr are Not Good. ap shyvana is fine if you want to be a loving dragon....,
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Sep 14, 2020 20:49
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I really don't get the mindset of people that actually liked the gameplay or visual design of old Sion and don't like new Sion's Q charge-up or ult drifting. I don't understand why anyone would like Sion's Q charge. My experience is just ARAM but it feels incredibly janky and non-fluid to stop moving and channel a "skillshot" that takes 5 years to go off.
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Sep 14, 2020 21:46
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:I don't understand why anyone would like Sion's Q charge. The trick is to hold your breath whilst you're channeling
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Sep 14, 2020 21:54
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pog boyfriend posted:the simplest champion is yuumi She's mechanically simple, but she's surprisingly hard to use effectively. The shape of her mastery curve is actually along the lines of Akali and Qiyana, two mechanically complex champs with steep skill floors. RPATDO_LAMD posted:My experience is just ARAM It's close to impossible for Sion to get his Q off in ARAM against the majority of team comps unless you're specifically playing around their CC cooldowns. If you can do that, or if you're up against a team with minimal CC, it's one of the strongest zone control tools any tank has in the entire game. It has a miniscule cooldown and creates a large zone that's a guaranteed 2.25s stun with a high amount of base damage to anyone that tries to play into it.
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Sep 14, 2020 21:55
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There aren't many none-ultimates that can force a flash-or-die scenario as hard as Sion Q charged for 1 second or any that have anywhere near the short cooldown of 4 seconds at max. Heavily enemy team dependent of course, not because of stuns since it resets to 2 seconds on a interrupt, but because the game is infested with phase rush/nimbus cloak users with dashes on 2 second cooldowns, but the enemy team has a bunch of immobile squishies? super satisfying to drift your ult into them and charge up the followup Q stun. Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Sep 14, 2020 |
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Sep 14, 2020 22:36
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Sion q not hitting anyone is still zoning
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Sep 14, 2020 22:44
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I've played a bit of Sion, and he's a champ hit harder than average by being on ARAM. Harder to get CS to charge his W passive, and most of his skills benefit a lot from playing around terrain. The Q is hilarious to hit from a bush and zones well in teamfights or congested spaces in the jungle. It has a harder time in the straight, open arena of doom that is the Howling Abyss. His R is also better when you can use it to rotate real fast while also terrifying botlane that you're lane-ganking them.
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Sep 15, 2020 00:04
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pog boyfriend posted:this is correct and has been for years, support is far more important in the game than people give it credit for: it is either the second or third most impactful role pog if this is correct, why do boosters and smurfs pick everything other than support part of the answer is that they're subhuman trash but theres more than that Verviticus fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Sep 15, 2020 00:24
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Verviticus posted:pog if this is correct, why do boosters and smurfs pick everything other than support If support isn't so impactful why do boosters all pick Taric?  I think either of the solo lanes or jungler are gonna be what a booster goes after because they are much better than the competition and thus can just carry through that, but which roles are most impactful in an even game ?  I think third most after mid and jungle makes sense for support.
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Sep 15, 2020 00:41
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Vermain posted:She's mechanically simple, but she's surprisingly hard to use effectively. thank you riot dev
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Sep 15, 2020 00:53
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Jerkface posted:If support isn't so impactful why do boosters all pick Taric? lol yeah touche. while i think support is still 4th or 5th i would entertain that [support + x] has the most impactful duo combos, along with [jungle + x] quote:I think either of the solo lanes or jungler are gonna be what a booster goes after because they are much better than the competition and thus can just carry through that, but which roles are most impactful in an even game ? there arent analytics that are good enough to define the most impactful role, so i usually just judge it by answering the question 'if you had one player better than the rest of the game, where would you put them?'. in whichever role having more skill than your opponent leads to the highest win rates would be the most impactful one for posterity, i think and have thought for a long time that the list is mid > jungle > top > adc = support edit: though top might only be third and not fifth because of the role's propensity for splitpushing Verviticus fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Sep 15, 2020 01:56
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My favourite thing with Sion is building titanic and frozen fist and killing any squishy mage/assassin/marksman in the game if I hit them with the charge. Because it’s basically a 4 second stun at that point.
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Sep 15, 2020 02:39
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Verviticus posted:pog if this is correct, why do boosters and smurfs pick everything other than support because he's talking about playing at your own elo, the only thing you can take from boosting is which champs are the best when you're playing against a bunch of people you wouldn't lose to 97 times out of 100
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Elentor had a bunch of posts before talking about when they did the boosting thing and kept track of all their data. My memory is that they said support was the best role for doing so based on their data and their hypothesis for why was that you could take out two members of the enemy team with one role and get your adc so fed they would push through - but I can't remember if that only applied up to gold or if that was some other advice. Edit: I think it was advice on playing support that changed from gold up, actually, not the boost results but I could be wrong. Cavelcade fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Verviticus posted:lol yeah touche. while i think support is still 4th or 5th i would entertain that [support + x] has the most impactful duo combos, along with [jungle + x] there was a survey and support was said to be the third most impactful role a few months ago. some argue it can be more impactful with heavy roaming due to the fact that a very overskilled support wins bot(beating two enemies) and mid(beating a third enemy)
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