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Arquinsiel posted:Why would they care? For some of them they saw a Primarch yesterday. And some of them haven't seen them for the "real" or even longer amount of time so that argument is fairly moot.
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From the last Fabius Bile book that I just finished:quote:‘A new phase of the Long War has begun, and the old gods have returned to stride the stars. Guilliman has returned. And he has not come alone.’ Also a few paragraphs later, Fabius when told of the Primaris Marines: quote:Fabius dismissed the image. ‘Ezekyle wants something to counter them, doesn’t he? How predictable. They make oversized warriors, we make oversized warriors.’ He shook his head. ‘A galaxy of children, squabbling over their toys.’ 
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Sep 14, 2020 08:04
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All the traitor primarchs have been useless, a liability and/or cringe. Can't see why chaos marines would think any different of a loyalist one.
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Sep 14, 2020 11:29
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MariusLecter posted:All the traitor primarchs have been useless, a liability and/or cringe. Horus - Useless Mortarion - Useless, Cringe Alpharius/Omegon - Cringe Konrad Kurze - Liability Angron - Liability Fulgrim - Cringe Perturabo - Useless, Cringe Magnus - Useless Lorgar - Perfect, a golden boi, big himbo energy
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Sep 14, 2020 11:44
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MariusLecter posted:All the traitor primarchs have been useless, a liability and/or cringe. Of Iron and Honor has an Iron Warrior lord freaking the gently caress out that ol Roboute is coming back because ultraman had previously crippled him during the scouring
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Sep 14, 2020 13:33
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please god why is Horus Heresy 3 so BAD ben counter I wanted to root for you but this is the most paint-by-numbers plot so far it's so BORING and nothing is elevating it at all this is actively making me want to stop being interested in 40k currently especially with better stuff to read and ughhhhhh I'm 56% through it and pushing but je sus I should be worried and nervous about Horus' first major act of betrayal at Isstvan but instead I'm ready for everyone to die so the heresy can get moving already
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Sep 14, 2020 14:57
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Just think of it like it's not only authored by several people in reality, but also in the realm of our most holy God Emperor. I'm sure some of the books in the bible were like insanely bad before 2000 years of reinterpretation, like five hundred pages of Jesus having a spear fight with satan but bad.
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Sep 14, 2020 15:06
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I finished No Good Men and I'm having trouble identifying a single story I didn't find v.-to-e.deece and I also like how they didn't murder the literal babby Ratling.  MY HYPE DOTH MAGNIFY THE VARGANTUA. 
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Sep 14, 2020 15:06
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Horus - Useless Magnus has had pretty decent success absolutely loving with the Space Wolves though.
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Sep 14, 2020 18:22
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Schadenboner posted:I finished No Good Men and I'm having trouble identifying a single story I didn't find v.-to-e.deece and I also like how they didn't murder the literal babby Ratling. Same. Usually BL anthologies have one poo poo story if not more but it was all good.
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Sep 14, 2020 19:30
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Horus - Useless Let's argue about this.
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Sep 14, 2020 20:02
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VanSandman posted:Let's argue about this. Why? It looks accurate to me.
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Sep 14, 2020 20:06
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Magnus is clearly the liability of liabilities Dude is outofhisdepth.jpg baselessselfconfidence.xlsx
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Sep 14, 2020 22:13
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StrixNebulosa posted:Why? It looks accurate to me. Lorgar is neither useless, a liability, or cringe. The trouble is, Erebus is all of these things in such vast quantities that they sort of rub off by association.
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Sep 14, 2020 22:40
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Lorgar is so canonically useless that even his traitorous brothers tell him that to his face.
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Sep 14, 2020 22:42
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Inspector_666 posted:Lorgar is so canonically useless that even his traitorous brothers tell him that to his face. That's before he goes Super Sayan and saves Angron from a titan.
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Sep 14, 2020 22:44
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Magnus is like the primordial Nerd Lord, we have to accept that there's too much of him in us and thus he is elevated.
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Sep 14, 2020 22:53
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Lorgar is unique in that he's the only character in the entire setting who appreciates what's happening and makes informed decisions.
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Lorgars decisions are hardly informed.
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He knew the Emperor was an rear end in a top hat god (arguably more that the emperor himself knew) and he knew that more sincere options existed. Plus he made a perfect city. And he spent the next 10,000 years doing what he loves. If anyone won Warhammer, it's Lorgar.
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Sep 14, 2020 23:52
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moths posted:He knew the Emperor was an rear end in a top hat god (arguably more that the emperor himself knew) and he knew that more sincere options existed. He also literally wrote the book that a galaxy-wide religious movement would use shortly after his father’s “ascension” to the throne.
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Sep 14, 2020 23:59
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moths posted:He knew the Emperor was an rear end in a top hat god (arguably more that the emperor himself knew) and he knew that more sincere options existed. If anybody is winning 40k right now, it is Mag Uruk Thraka.
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aphid_licker posted:Magnus is clearly the liability of liabilities
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Sep 15, 2020 02:04
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Lorgar got his rear end beat by Corax on Istvaan V, got his rear end beat by Corax in the Eye of Terror, then spent the next several thousand years hiding in a room from Corax and called it "meditating". 
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Fulgrim killed Ferrus Manus and sent Guilleman into a several thousand year coma. He seems like the most successful of the bunch. This makes me wonder: Do Primarchs age? They all grew up from children, but once they reach adulthood do they get old and grey?
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Ego-bot posted:Fulgrim killed Ferrus Manus and sent Guilleman into a several thousand year coma. He seems like the most successful of the bunch. Neither the emps nor regular Astartes grow old the way humans do, so it would be super weird if primarchs did.
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Just finished the Magos and pariah. Next book won't be published for a grip, right? Guess I can reread the Gaunt books.
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It might vary by author but Astartes do age, albeit extremely slowly and gracefully, with the exception of magic Blood Angel fuckery. I think there's also a story that includes a Custodes who grows so old that his reaction time gets slowed by a millisecond and he gets relegated to non-combat work? Maybe it was something else that slowed him down.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:I think there's also a story that includes a Custodes who grows so old that his reaction time gets slowed by a millisecond and he gets relegated to non-combat work? Maybe it was something else that slowed him down. I think there's a blurb in their codex that talks about Custodes who get so old they can't guard Big E anymore, so they ditch the bright gold armor and go wander the Imperium spying and hunting down threats. Edit: P16 of their codex, The Eyes of the Emperor. They turn spy and alert the Custodes to bad stuff so the main Custodes forces can come deal with it. It mentions either getting old enough that they slow down, or wounded enough that they aren't fit for duty and cybernetics aren't sufficient. thocan fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Sep 15, 2020 14:12
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Good premise for a big RPG (possibly Deus Ex style): Seriously wounded custodian has to build up his skills again, wander the empire helping folks, but without being able to use his status (because he'd come across as too much and/or plot reasons). Of course, being a custodian, even a wounded one, it wouldn't be like "kill this group of criminals!" like in DX, but rather "take out this daemon Prince threatening a planet" or "eradicate an entire stronghold of chaos marines" or "single handedly stop a small hive fleet splinter".
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Kevin DuBrow posted:It might vary by author but Astartes do age, albeit extremely slowly and gracefully, with the exception of magic Blood Angel fuckery. I think there's also a story that includes a Custodes who grows so old that his reaction time gets slowed by a millisecond and he gets relegated to non-combat work? Maybe it was something else that slowed him down. Isn’t Dante one of the older loyalists alive? And he’s super tired and maybe some dementia?
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Miguel Prado posted:Isn’t Dante one of the older loyalists alive? And he’s super tired and maybe some dementia? He's also a Blood Angel. That's gotta wreck your psyche at least a little.
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re: Age, this is near the climax of ADB's Black Legion. Sigismund is 1,000 years old and faces Abaddon: Sigismund would be faster in his ornate power armour, but there was no way of knowing how much age had slowed him. [...] And Sigismund’s age did show. It slowed him, the finest duellist ever to wear ceramite, to a pace that was no faster than Abaddon in his hulking Terminator plate. He lacked Ezekyle’s enhanced strength in that great suit of armour, and age and weariness robbed him even further. He was already decorated in the blood of my slain brothers; this was far from his first battle of the day. Were his old hearts straining? Would they fail him now, and burst in his proud chest? Is that how the greatest of Space Marine legends was fated to end? I found the signs of Sigismund’s age unconscionably tragic – a fact Ezekyle later mocked me for, calling it a symptom of my ‘maudlin Tizcan nature’. He remarked that I should have paid more heed to the fact that the Black Knight, at a thousand natural years of age, could still have stood toe to toe and matched blade to blade with practically any warrior in the Nine Legions. Age had slowed Sigismund, but all it had done was slow him to a level with the rest of us.
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Miguel Prado posted:Isn’t Dante one of the older loyalists alive? And he’s super tired and maybe some dementia?
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Thunder Warriors were a short term solution based on brute strength while the Marines were meant to endure as perpetual guardians. It just so happened that the aging immortality also came through with the few surviving Thunder Warriors who escaped the purge.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:It might vary by author but Astartes do age, albeit extremely slowly and gracefully, with the exception of magic Blood Angel fuckery. I think there's also a story that includes a Custodes who grows so old that his reaction time gets slowed by a millisecond and he gets relegated to non-combat work? Maybe it was something else that slowed him down. It’s the rare good story by Nick Kyme, Auric Gods. Syncopated fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Astartes age. Very slowly, none except that Sigismund example or Dante live long enough for it to become a problem but they do age. In one book the Hrud cause the nearby astartes to age tens of thousands of years in a second and they get pretty decrepit before dying. Primarchs kind of age. When the sister of silence sees Guilliman she remarks on the signs of him having aged, but also simultaneously having the same primarch vitality. More just the weight of years and responsibility than physical aging.
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Horus "ages" when he steps into the warp on Molech too. He spent aeons fighting in the warp to consolidate his power and gain dominion over many demons etc. but in realspace he comes back out in a few seconds looking older. I always felt like their warp juiced (Greater Daemon?) souls are the immortal part, and their bodies are imperfect vessels that will degrade, just on a much larger timescale than even Astartes, like, orders of magnitude more. Corax has figured out a lot about himself, and Primarchs in general, and it's why he is...what he is. The human(ish) body made by his father was unnecessary, and if anything, a hindrance, serving only to anchor him in realspace and let him pass as vaguely almost human. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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You might not like it, but Corax is peak Super Vengeance Demon Bird.
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MariusLecter posted:You might not like it, but Corax is peak Super Vengeance Demon Bird. *Burn, by The Cure intensifies*
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