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Real range in my Model Y going 80mph with the AC blasting is probably 200-220miles. Every 20 miles burns 8-10%. I imagine the 3 is slightly better.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Cool, thanks. I looked up the Model 3 LR AWD: 320 miles city, 297 miles highway. That highway mileage seems very optimistic so I googled EPA's highway test speed, it's 60 mph. Oof. That's tricky because "highway speed" varies quite a bit depending on where you live. Here in the northern Virginia area an average of 60mph is a fantasy on major thoroughfares like 496, 66, and 95 during the morning and evening commute. Also, I can personally confirm that the range of the Model 3 LR AWD drops off a cliff if your average speed is actually above 70mph.
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someone compiled a chart of real world reported consumptions a while back. Old enough there's no Y, but it has the 3 https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/1038920763955396608 That chart claims 270mi at 80mph for LR aero, which seems a little high but not too far off. I could (barely) do round trip Tucson-Phoenix back at ~85, that's about 240 miles, so maybe 250 at 80?
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My experience is also about 250 miles at 75 mph for the LR AWD. The 310 range that they list is hilariously inaccurate for most people.
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Sep 15, 2020 18:33
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Elviscat posted:Do you have access to a multimeter? Because every time you bring this up it sounds like a literally impossible scenario, it makes me so curious, any piece of gear designed for 120V should work from 90-130V, or at least 100-130V. If something was going on making your voltage go so low that your charger hits the low voltage cut off, that would be a huge problem, like TVs and other electronics work, right? One clue, on the circuit breaker there is only ONE double-pole switch, and that's for the entire duplex. It's a rental so I'll have the owner bring in an electrician. Note: I tested the KIA charger at the office 110v and it does work, so my guess is the entire duplex has some strange electrical crap going on.
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Nitrousoxide posted:If he's in an apartment or condo then it's possible that he has three phase power coming into the building which is then split out into two phase and one phase power so you may not end up with exactly the same voltages you would get at a single-family house. And perhaps 104v on the 110 sockets which could explain the Kia Charger issue.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I think you're misunderstanding what I am saying. TRUE, but Tesla is the kind of stock shares you can have fun trading.
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gwrtheyrn posted:Honestly, highway only range is what mostly what matters to me. Like when am I ever going to drive >200 miles of city-only traffic, and the only time I'd be pushing 200+ miles, it'd be mostly highway. Well, there's always Los Angeles traffic while you wait for your carpool stickers to show up. On my way up starting at 6:00 AM (from San Diego), the Kia Niro's predicted range is quite accurate, with 95% of the drive being cruise-control at 75mph. On the way back starting at 4:00 PM with stop-and-go well into Orange County, I have managed 12% more miles than predicted.
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VideoGameVet posted:And perhaps 104v on the 110 sockets which could explain the Kia Charger issue. 208 phase to ground voltage is still 120V, thanks to trigonometry and stuff.  Hopefully they get you an electrician out there, I'm very curious as to what's going on.
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Tesla must have heard me bitching on here because they just uploaded a bunch more paperwork for me to fill out on the website! It's the exact same paperwork that I completed two months ago! I'm not going to get my solar panels installed by the end of 2020 for the tax credit, am I?
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MrLogan posted:Tesla must have heard me bitching on here because they just uploaded a bunch more paperwork for me to fill out on the website! They will complete it December 29 so they get credit for the earnings call or something haha
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MrLogan posted:] Well... It is 2020. Might as well pile another thing on the poo poo train.
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Elviscat posted:208 phase to ground voltage is still 120V, thanks to trigonometry and stuff. Friday one is coming out to check this out. We just had a florescent fixture in the laundry that was installed by SDG&E less than a decade ago ... go bad. Bulb not the issue (9" circular). The ballast went bad.
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Fluorescent ballasts are universally poo poo. If you're not a good Electrician in life you go to Electrician purgatory where you do ballast swaps in commercial buildings all day.
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You can take out the ballasts and direct wire to some kinds of LED tubes. The ones I got (Hyperikon) still flicker a little so if you're super sensitive to that try and find some that are full bridge rectified, if any exist?
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Last week the owner of the building I work at saw me pull up in the i3, we chatted a bit about EV's, and he asked me if I was interested in charging at the office. I said yes and today they installed a ClipperCreek. I am thrilled for free charging at work!
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Free charging, AND a quick response time, drat
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MrLogan posted:Tesla must have heard me bitching on here because they just uploaded a bunch more paperwork for me to fill out on the website! US building regulations are mysterious. I see posts where people are talking about rewiring their own house without getting an electrician, and yet it takes months to get approval to stick solar on your roof. It's the reverse in Australia. By law only an electrician can mess with your power points, etc, but putting up solar is a breeze. The installer instals, the power company is notified and a week or two later you're good to go. Is it US power companies just putting in place regulatory obstacles to rooftop PV?
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Charles posted:They will complete it December 29 so they get credit for the earnings call or something haha My Tesla solar was finally turned on Dec 29th last year. 
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Beffer posted:US building regulations are mysterious. I see posts where people are talking about rewiring their own house without getting an electrician, and yet it takes months to get approval to stick solar on your roof. It's because if your house can generate power it can push said power back into the grid and potentially electrocute line workers when they think they're working on dead lines. iirc the obstacles for installing solar are mostly around proving that you've installed a system that will cut your house off if there's an outage
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Beffer posted:US building regulations are mysterious. I see posts where people are talking about rewiring their own house without getting an electrician, and yet it takes months to get approval to stick solar on your roof. This is a Tesla problem, not a regulation problem.
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Beffer posted:US building regulations are mysterious. I see posts where people are talking about rewiring their own house without getting an electrician, and yet it takes months to get approval to stick solar on your roof. Its a giant patchwork.. Regulations vary depending on state, city, county, etc... In general its follow the most recent "NEC" issue (National Electric Code). But some jurisdictions add their own flavors/restrictions to that. DIY work is generally accepted and commonplace. My own community is covered by county level regulation. Which does not require permitting or inspection unless it is deemed "significant work". Like sub panel installations, panel replacements or service upgrades. Anything else is free-for-all.
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Charles posted:I guess they [Rivian] have one in some Apple TV show with Ewan McGregor. 16 years ago Ewan McGregor and his friend Charley Boorman rode some motorcycles around the world, recorded it, and the resulting series (“Long Way Round”) kicked off a boom in adventure motorcycling. This week the third of these series‘ is coming out on appleTV+ (“Long Way Up”), in which Ewan and Charlie have ridden two Harley-Davidson LiveWires (EVs) from the tip of South America to Los Angeles, with a Rivian support vehicle.
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Beffer posted:US building regulations are mysterious. I see posts where people are talking about rewiring their own house without getting an electrician, and yet it takes months to get approval to stick solar on your roof. This is Tesla being bad at their job, not a regulatory issue.
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Electrify America is changing over to per kWh billing in states that support it:quote:In those states, which are home to over 70% of Electrify America’s customers, EV owners charging on Electrify America’s network will be charged $0.43 per kWh.
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Westy543 posted:Electrify America is changing over to per kWh billing in states that support it: Even if you exclude the $4.00 monthly fee, $0.43/kWh is outrageous. For comparison, according to this article from January 2019, the national average at Tesla Superchargers is $0.28/kWh, with no monthly fee. And according to this article, the national average for residential electricity is $0.13/kWh. I understand that electricity rate for charging stations is higher than residential use and that Electrify America needs margin to cover installation and maintenance, but a 230% increase over the national average home rate plus a monthly fee seems like price gouging to me. Edit: Fix grammar. MrPablo fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Sep 16, 2020 |
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MrPablo posted:Even if you exclude the $4.00 monthly fee, $0.43/kWh is outrageous. To be fair if you pay the monthly fee it's not 43c/kwh, that's the no subscription option
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This Reddit comment also had some good math:jfaulc posted:For those that are EA members:
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gwrtheyrn posted:To be fair if you pay the monthly fee it's not 43c/kwh, that's the no subscription option That's true, and a good point. From my point of view that $4/mo seems kind of steep. For example, I only use Superchargers for long trips, and the rest of the time I charging at home or at the local level 2 chargers (for free). The last time I used a Supercharger was December 21st, 2019. If I was subscribed to Electrify America's $4/month plan, then I would have paid $32 since December for zero electricity. I suppose there are folks who travel farther distances than I do and use DC fast chargers frequently enough to justify the additional $4.00/month.
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To be brutally honest here, if $48/year is making a difference to you, you are not currently in the core EV ownership market.
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MrPablo posted:That's true, and a good point. If you’re only charging once every 8 months then I can’t imagine the difference between the EA and Tesla charging rates is going to be more than a rounding error in your total vehicle expenses.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:If you’re only charging once every 8 months then I can’t imagine the difference between the EA and Tesla charging rates is going to be more than a rounding error in your total vehicle expenses. This, if the 43c/kwh is making a big dent in your budget either you are charging multiple times a month in which case the $4/mo plan comes out ahead or KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:To be brutally honest here, if $48/year is making a difference to you, you are not currently in the core EV ownership market.
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I'm not too worried about paying more for DC Fast Charging since it's so rare that I need to use it. That being said, they should probably have a larger discount for users who depend on DCFC. Those kind of heavy users either drive long distance a lot or don't have home/public charging options.
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Assuming 320 Wh/mi, that's 13.76 cents per mile at $4/kWh. How does that compare to gas at current US prices? Assume the mileage of a nice modern car that someone who are EV buyers could buy.
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A high side figure of $3/gallon and 25 mpg combined puts you at $0.12. A more realistic figure of $2.60 puts you at $0.104 per mile.
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Ola posted:Assuming 320 Wh/mi, that's 13.76 cents per mile at $4/kWh. How does that compare to gas at current US prices? Assume the mileage of a nice modern car that someone who are EV buyers could buy. Unless I did my napkin math wrong, 25mpg = 0.04 g/m Say $3.00/g, so $1.20 for 0.04g, or $0.12/mile. Edit - lol oops forgot a decimal point! Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Sep 16, 2020 |
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Over here in Atlanta, gas is $1.75/gal. A 31 MPG car would cost $.06 per mile. A 320 Wh/mi EV charging at $.38 per kWh would cost $.12 per mile. So $.19 per kWh would match gasoline here.
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Outside of manufactured shortages gas prices in the US are so low that buying an electric is rarely the better financial decision vs buying a used civic or corolla. Used Leafs selling for less than 10k is maybe the only case where that isn’t true. But if you’re buying a Tesla you absolutely aren’t doing it to save money.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Outside of manufactured shortages gas prices in the US are so low that buying an electric is rarely the better financial decision vs buying a used civic or corolla. Used Leafs selling for less than 10k is maybe the only case where that isn’t true. But if you’re buying a Tesla you absolutely aren’t doing it to save money. This is true for now but it won't be long until EVs reach the same price point as their combustion equivalents with the way battery prices are dropping.
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