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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:More important that Jessica is spot-on imo The most important thing is the tooth. The tooth Remember!
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Doc Hawkins posted:watch his Agincourt movie I have. Great speech. That is the Paul Atreides side. I mean Muad'dib, the Fremen, the Lisan al Gaib, that's the one I'm not sure about
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exmachina posted:I have. Great speech. That is the Paul Atreides side. I mean Muad'dib, the Fremen, the Lisan al Gaib, that's the one I'm not sure about tbh I'm not sure if I was convinced that Paul Atreides pulled off Mua'dib in the book
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Shoehead posted:The most important thing is the tooth. you can't handle the tooth!
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Doc Hawkins posted:tbh I'm not sure if I was convinced that Paul Atreides pulled off Mua'dib in the book That's true. Leto II should play the role.
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What is the official pronunciation of the Honored Matres? Side note as a child I though eunuch was different from "unic". Since playing Total War Rome taught me how to say Punic and well wouldnt unic make more sense?
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Google tells me eunuch comes from the Greek for "bed keeper" so i guess the spelling reflects that. Also, how is sardaukar pronounced? And Harkonnen.
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Gaj posted:What is the official pronunciation of the Honored Matres? Side note as a child I though eunuch was different from "unic". Since playing Total War Rome taught me how to say Punic and well wouldnt unic make more sense? Mah-trey is how I pronounced it but I am probably wrong. It is a bit of a clumsy name tho, Frank obviously wanted to show an etymological slide from "Reverend mother"
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Tree Bucket posted:Google tells me eunuch comes from the Greek for "bed keeper" so i guess the spelling reflects that. Didn't the Turkish dude speak to Sardaukar upthread? Also Harkonnen is meant to be russian right?
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This cinematic version will also have the definitive pronunciations. Herbert did us wrong by not having a pronunciation key.
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Sep 17, 2020 09:22
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sar-dow-karr harr-koh-nen a-tray-deez-nutz
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Eau de MacGowan posted:sar-dow-karr Yeah but where is the emphasis? Is is HARR-koh-nen or harr-KOH-nen. Same with Sardaukar.
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Harkonnen is Finnish slang for butthole not really kakkonen apparently is
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har cone NEN
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exmachina posted:Yeah but where is the emphasis? Is is HARR-koh-nen or harr-KOH-nen. Same with Sardaukar. HARR-kon-nen - that’s how they would say it in Finland, which is where this type of name would fit most. Imagine the YouTube hydraulic press guy saying it and you’re there. sar-duh-KAR - some middle eastern influences there Anne Frank Funk fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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exmachina posted:Didn't the Turkish dude speak to Sardaukar upthread? Also Harkonnen is meant to be russian right? It was Fedaykin but I will take a shot at the word Sardaukar as well. This is all theory-crafting so feel free to dig up the internet or books to disprove me. That being said, I believe the word Sardaukar comes or has its roots in the Farsi word "Sardar" (also used in Turkic languages bordering Iran including Mughal India), meaning "the head of the soldiers" or "the commander". Ser being the word for "head / lead", it feels close to what Sardaukar is. The English pronunciation of Sardar is usually Saerdar so it feels we are getting warmer. Another one might be "Serdengecti", which has a close literal translation as "one who gave up on their head (life)" as in Ser (head) den (the conjunction meaning "from") gecti (passed/gave). A more contextual one would be "someone giving up their life [for victory]". Serdengecti is a branch of akinci cavalary that was a part of Ottoman army that raided enemy territory usually ahead of the main army or regularly to wreak havoc during an invasion. They were the forlorn hope units, similar to the Doppelsöldner of Landsknecht, volunteered to fight in the frontlines and paid double. Serdengecti had a honored place in the akinci armies, usually charging into enemy formations with only a kilic (a Turkish cavalry saber) while dressed as MEGASWAGLORDS (see below) to scare their enemies (usually clad in furs of Anatolian lynx/spotted lions or feathers, possibly a relic from their animistic/shamanistic origins since they are usually recruited from isolated Turcoman tribes in Anatolia kept their original Turkic religions in some shape or form).  I imagine Frank having extensive knowledge on these matters and probably joined multiple layers of history and etymology behind a single word which is, as always,  as gently caress.
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If Harkonnen is Russian, it would be emphasis on second syllable, right? I can't ever not hear the callouts from Emperor: Battle for Dune, the 3D RTS. Not sure why. But, as a result, FEH-da-kin, Sar-doo-CAR Matre I always read as MAY-Tr(uh) where you don't voice the 'uh' but it just comes out as a result of making a 'Tr', kind of like the 'Tr' in the French 'Triste'. I can't actually form it properly with my mouth, so it's super weird that I vividly only read it that way?
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Stop it with saying Harkonnen is Russian! I’m half Russian so I half know that it isn’t. There is no case to be made for this word to be even remotely connected to Russian language. None. It does look very much in line with Finnish language though.
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Stop it with saying Harkonnen is Russian! I’m half Russian so I half know that it isn’t. I never connected it to Harkonnen before, but Härkönen is an existing Finnish surname. Apparently a dude with that name won gold with the javelin in the LA Olympics in '84.
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Decorus posted:I never connected it to Harkonnen before, but Härkönen is an existing Finnish surname. Apparently a dude with that name won gold with the javelin in the LA Olympics in '84. I remember that! He won by default after all his competitors suffered a series of random unfortunate accidents.
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His name IS Vladimir, comrade
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Actually it's kinda funny I can't wait to see some think pieces saying that Vladimir Harkonnen is a metaphor for Vladimir Putin 
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Colonel Cancer posted:His name IS Vladimir, comrade Yeah and that’s certainly the red scare commie russian aspect that @fatherofduneauthor aimed to achieve. The surname isn’t.
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What I mean to say - what if Frank Herbert was wrong some times?
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Yeah and that’s certainly the red scare commie russian aspect that @fatherofduneauthor aimed to achieve. Yeah I agree 100% on the name, I too carry the taint of russkie blood lol
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Lol, I have never made the Vladimir = Red scare connection until now, Jesus.
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Barron Harkonnen lowered his suspensors into the squat position. “Do svidanya, Diuk Leto...”
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Evil Russians and heroic Arabic folks? What kind of upside-down world is Mr Herbert creating here!!?
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Feydor Harkonnen, the martial combat arena champion
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threelemmings posted:Or you've outed yourself as reading the sequels when skynet and hedonist robot clone the gang. I know they brought back paul and the baron I'm sure Chani was there too.
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Barron Harkonnen lowered his suspensors into the squat position. “Do svidanya, Diuk Leto...” Dearest nephew Fyodor, I am sending you some space rubles enclosed within this letter. Try not to spend it all on gay concubines in St. Petersburg. I am still struggling with the сифилис the Baba Yaga Elena gave me. Your loving Uncle Volodya.
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Galewolf posted:Dearest nephew Fyodor, I am sending you some space rubles enclosed within this letter. Try not to spend it all on gay concubines in St. Petersburg. I am still struggling with the сифилис the Baba Yaga Elena gave me. Your loving Uncle Volodya. That’s a prime* empty quote right there Giedi Prime
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There is nothing Russian about the harkonens other than one name I don’t think he was doing a red scare thing
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euphronius posted:There is nothing Russian about the harkonens other than one name   From “dreamer of dune” by the famed @duneauthor
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How come Brian Herbert made the Butlerian Jihad a robot war when it was obviously a luddite smashing of thinking machines.
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I don't remember anything particular from the original book (haven't read the sequels) but the movie felt like it? Anyhow it's hard not to feel a sort of sick kinship with any marauding orc like hordes with names like Ivan or Vladimir  E yeah that quote was what I thought of earlier lol
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Anne Frank Funk posted:
I give this source 0 credibility.
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euphronius posted:There is nothing Russian about the harkonens other than one name I don't think it was supposed to be a full on red scare, like Red Dawn. However, I do think the Harkonens were supposed to vaguely suggest the soviet union in the same way Atredies were supposed to suggest Greek. Specifically brutal, heavy industry, and teeming faceless masses ruled by a decadent elite. At time of publication that sort of imagery was a staple of American anti-communist propaganda.
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