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euphronius posted:There is nothing Russian about the harkonens other than one name The inkvine whip was a red scar thing 
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euphronius posted:I give this source 0 credibility. Even a brokebrained author is right once in his career.
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Tree Bucket posted:Evil Russians and heroic Arabic folks? What kind of upside-down world is Mr Herbert creating here!!? Bear in mind he was writing before OPEC existed, and the Arabs were on the side of the Allies in both World Wars. Arabs == good guys was a fairly common Western viewpoint back in the 60s.
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Stop it with saying Harkonnen is Russian! I’m half Russian so I half know that it isn’t. Oh sorry! I only thought it was from peeps in this thread saying so, my bad.
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threelemmings posted:The inkvine whip was a red scar thing Kull wahad (cheeki breeki)
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feedmegin posted:Bear in mind he was writing before OPEC existed, and the Arabs were on the side of the Allies in both World Wars. Arabs == good guys was a fairly common Western viewpoint back in the 60s. And all the way up to the late 80s when they were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.
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Dune 84 might as well have had the “brave mujahedin fighters” dedication Rambo 3 had.
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Stilgar: You're out of your element Paul! Stilgar killing some Sardauker: You anti-semite Sardauker: Ya we believe in nothing
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Galewolf posted:I'm on the train back home with some chest pain and having problem breathing (roni?), time to Dunepost: A comprehensive history of Cossacks in the 19th C was a big source for Dune iirc E: fb E2: heres the article about it https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Mqfcnk_O1nMgHMH Shageletic fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Shageletic posted:A comprehensive history of Cossacks in the 19th C was a big source for Dune iirc Thanks for that, this reinforces what I felt while reading Taras Bulba which is a book I strongly suggest everyone read. There is a movie of it starring Yul Brynner which is like peak 60s historic movie with outdoor shots and hundreds of extras riding horses 
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Frank said don't worry about pronunciation since all this stuff happens so far in the future there's no way that people even have language remotely similar to ours.
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I'm a Finnish Dune posting goon, so: Harkonnen is "wrong" but sounds sort of Finnish. The double-n doesn't make sense, as per the already cited Härkönen. The -nen suffix in surnames is a common thing though, which apparently is a savolaisthing  Of course the Red Scare aspect is made all the more insulting  given that Frank was writing in the 60s when Finland was very much trying to not be a Soviet satellite, and it didn't help that certain someones in German and US media kept saying otherwise.
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Most of what I know about Finland is from watching playthrus of “My Summer Car” *drinks a dozen beers while cooking sausages then takes a piss in a sauna* Seems pretty awesome tbh
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There seems to be an undercurrent of discussion among the superfans about whether the "we found Frank's notes for Dune 7" is true or just complete bullshit. At risk of breaking the thread rule does anyone have any more details or gossip about that? Note that I will not read those books no matter the answer e: https://www.amc.com/talk/2009/08/winds-of-dune-a quote:When dad died he was using a yellow highlighter on Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune. That’s all I knew. Then I got a call from an estate attorney who asked me what I wanted to do with two safety deposit boxes of my dad’s. I didn’t know they existed. So we went down there, and in them were the notes to Dune 7 — it was a 30-page outline. So I went up in my attic and found another 1,000 pages of working notes. there's some bonus discussion of Peter Berg trying to make the movie (circa 11 years ago) Ingmar terdman fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Half a torn page stuck to the fridge "Write another dune book"
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I don't have any kind of citations, but I don't believe that bullshit for a second just for thematic reasons. Both in the books and in some of his essays Frank talked about the need for society to reevaluate some of it's bedrock assumptions, for basic survival and to promote human flourishing. One of these was moving beyond treating people like a consumable resource. My take is this sort of thing is what he was talking about when the fourth book mentioned that The Butlerian Jihad was about eliminating machine thinking even more than destroying thinking machines. But no it was really just a war of humanity versus the Terminators. The dumbest, most obvious and least interesting and creative possible interpretation. Same with him changing the bull that killed to old duke into some kind of weird alien. It's a change that is bigger, louder, and infinitely worst. It's a complete hack take that abandons all the cultural and historical context that makes it the original version of events interesting.
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I'm sure there were outlines. We know gholas of book 1 characters would be involved, because Scytale mentioned the nullentropy tube in Chapterhouse. I can even see water-based worms being mentioned because of the plotline involving the "failed" sister from the waterworld planet. I don't think marty and the other one were meant to be Lord cybertrex. But the main reason those books are bad is not the plot, it is the writing.
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I dont know posted:My take is this sort of thing is what he was talking about when the fourth book mentioned that The Butlerian Jihad was about eliminating machine thinking even more than destroying thinking machines. But no it was really just a war of humanity versus the Terminators. The dumbest, most obvious and least interesting and creative possible interpretation. Yeah the big tell that the notes are almost certainly a lie (and at best he had like a page of random poo poo) is that the Butlerian Jihad was never framed as a conventional war against robots which like you said is terminally boring in a book series that's most famous for its weirdness.
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Gaj posted:What is the official pronunciation of the Honored Matres? 
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Let me tell you about my 12-inch baron.
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Phanatic posted:Let me tell you about my 12-inch baron. It's self suspending 
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I am moving this thread to scifi-wifi tomorrow. Say your goodbyes in gbs.
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Goodbye thread, it was nice posting in here for a bit. Gonna go back to being a lonely Dune fan who doesn't engage with the fan base online, at least until the movie actually comes out
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TheAardvark posted:I am moving this thread to scifi-wifi tomorrow. Say your goodbyes in gbs. Travelling without moving? What stage navigator are you??
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Phanatic posted:Let me tell you about my 12-inch baron. But I told the genie I wanted a 12 inch duke
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TheAardvark posted:I am moving this thread to scifi-wifi tomorrow. Say your goodbyes in gbs. I disagree
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Well it was fun posting about beefswelling while it lasted.
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The whole thread is moving? Who doesn't browse from your bookmarked threads anyway lol If the thread will be locked and a new op posted you know what the last post has to be
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TheAardvark posted:I am moving this thread to scifi-wifi tomorrow. Say your goodbyes in gbs. Boo this man!
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Ingmar terdman posted:There seems to be an undercurrent of discussion among the superfans about whether the "we found Frank's notes for Dune 7" is true or just complete bullshit. At risk of breaking the thread rule does anyone have any more details or gossip about that? Note that I will not read those books no matter the answer The Notes were the source of a lot of speculation in the 90s, and the widespread hope was that they'd be documented, curated, and released with Christopher Tolkien's work being the model. Given what we got, I'm happy believing they never existed.
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I could believe he found some of Old Frank's notes. But if that were the case, I also believe he completely ignored them. House Atreides and House Harkonnen weren't quite so god-awful like the Dune 7 and Butlerian Jihad books seem to be, but it's very obvious that @duneauthor understood his father's works even less than even the least interested poster in this thread.
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TheAardvark posted:I am moving this thread to scifi-wifi tomorrow. Say your goodbyes in gbs. Don't, imo
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It is the legend
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Galewolf posted:I liked this thread being in the GBS and attracting people and has more active posting since GBS is where I keep coming back when not browsing sub forums with certain intent but ohwell. Yeah Lame
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-My father has a subforum. -He's losing it. -He's getting a more specialised one! -He'll lose that too.
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Tree Bucket posted:-My father has a subforum.
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