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WarpedNaba posted:In Japan I hear it shifted from Christmas cake to Toshikoshi soba - 30/31. Can confirm
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Either way it's poor tidings for me 
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Antonymous posted:Also just to add to the convo I didn't realize how sexist America is until I went to Taiwan Would you care to elaborate on this?
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WarpedNaba posted:Either way it's poor tidings for me It's rubbish, you'll be fine.
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So what's the reading on this Tiktok offer? 20% minority share for Oracle for some ungodly billions and Bytedance remains majority owner - what is the value of being a technology partner? Is WeChat still on the upcoming shitlist? The United States seems to be coming off weak here. Just block the fuckin poo poo.
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oracle cloud is being mostly a miserable failure and oracle needs to make storytime about how it isnt
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/17/us/politics/us-arms-sale-taiwan-china.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/17/us/politics/us-arms-sale-taiwan-china.htm posted:U.S. Pushes Large Arms Sale to Taiwan, Including Jet Missiles That Can Hit China Does anyone else worry about not just Russian but Chinese meddling in US elections in 2020? After all, China was purportedly responsible for the worst data breach that the US Government has ever seen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Personnel_Management_data_breach whose tuggin fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Sep 18, 2020 |
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TheBuilder posted:So what's the reading on this Tiktok offer? 20% minority share for Oracle for some ungodly billions and Bytedance remains majority owner - what is the value of being a technology partner? Is WeChat still on the upcoming shitlist? The United States seems to be coming off weak here. Just block the fuckin poo poo. seems like it's just straight graft. as long as trump is getting a taste via campaign contributions from ellison, he doesn't actually care about any trojan horsery in tiktok or anything else.
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Seems like I spoke too soon: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/tech/tiktok-download-commerce/index.htmlquote:Washington (CNN Business)The Commerce Department plans to restrict access to TikTok and WeChat on Sunday as the Trump administration's executive orders against the two apps are set to take effect.
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Here's a cnbc article: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/18/trump-to-block-us-downloads-of-tiktok-wechat-on-sunday-officials-tell-reuters.html This could be that trump just hasn't relayed to wilbur that he's going to allow larry to become their trusted us partner or whatever the arrangement is.
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I don't know international business law very well, but I wonder how this could affect multinationals that have operating entities within the US, and how that would affect these blocks - for US market customers only, or would it have a ripple effect into Korea, Japan, Europe, etc.
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TheBuilder posted:I don't know international business law very well, but I wonder how this could affect multinationals that have operating entities within the US, and how that would affect these blocks - for US market customers only, or would it have a ripple effect into Korea, Japan, Europe, etc. It's funny you ask because I guarantee that Trump has never even considered the consequences of his actions.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Here's a cnbc article: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/18/trump-to-block-us-downloads-of-tiktok-wechat-on-sunday-officials-tell-reuters.html Will it be possible to use WeChat with a VPN (like FB in China) or is this just blocking future app updates, or will it be automatically removed from phones entirely? Lots of people have family on both sides.
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The text reads like they may put the hammer down on VPNs that have Wechat traffic on them. I imagine it removes the app from the store, but also blocks any Wechat traffic. Sorry for your family concerns - perhaps you should use...oh wait, everything else is blocked in China.
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IT BURNS posted:Will it be possible to use WeChat with a VPN (like FB in China) or is this just blocking future app updates, or will it be automatically removed from phones entirely? Lots of people have family on both sides. They can't just remove it from your phone, I don't think there's any mechanism for that. I wonder if there are free VPNs to connect to China though. lol at having to VPN in to China. E: Though I guess I should be able to just VPN to any other country, doesn't have to be to China. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Sep 18, 2020 |
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Looks like it's already a rough morning for Huawei https://kojenov.com/2020-09-15-hisilicon-encoder-vulnerabilities/
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There's no Great Firewall in the US so there's no way for them to literally block Wechat, and I'm 99.9% sure it's not possible for an outside party to wipe an app from a normal iOS/Android device. It's possible they're using CDN servers based in the US to deliver content there or American firms to provide data/services (Google Maps for mapping? I doubt it, but maybe), so they'd have to do workarounds for that. Definitely forget about using Wechat pay in the US (though there's very few reasons you'd want to anyway). What's probably going to happen is that the app will disappear from US app stores, you won't be able to install it on new devices, and the service might be slow/clunky. There's enough users in the US that there will be an incentive for Wechat to figure out workarounds to maintain service. Not to mention the Chinese government has a veiled interest in keeping the overseas diaspora (and those they communicate with back in China) inside the Chinese walled garden of the internet.
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I mean, at the moment I assume this will be the Trump admin saying "WeChat is blocked now, we have defeated China forever" but never actually doing anything, like everything else they do. I'd be surprised if the service is affected at all.
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I'm not a smarty internet man, but if executive orders are issued that its illegal to move Wechat data across US networks, isn't that essentially the same thing - a legal firewall?
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Porfiriato posted:There's no Great Firewall in the US so there's no way for them to literally block Wechat, and I'm 99.9% sure it's not possible for an outside party to wipe an app from a normal iOS/Android device. It's possible they're using CDN servers based in the US to deliver content there or American firms to provide data/services (Google Maps for mapping? I doubt it, but maybe), so they'd have to do workarounds for that. Definitely forget about using Wechat pay in the US (though there's very few reasons you'd want to anyway). Yeah, we'll see soon enough. My question is why isn't the ACLU all over this with a freedom of speech lawsuit?
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IT BURNS posted:Yeah, we'll see soon enough. My question is why isn't the ACLU all over this with a freedom of speech lawsuit? Their lawyers are dropping dead from exhaustion
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IT BURNS posted:Yeah, we'll see soon enough. My question is why isn't the ACLU all over this with a freedom of speech lawsuit? Foreign governments don't have rights afforded to citizens in the United States
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TheBuilder posted:The text reads like they may put the hammer down on VPNs that have Wechat traffic on them. I imagine it removes the app from the store, but also blocks any Wechat traffic. Sorry for your family concerns - perhaps you should use...oh wait, everything else is blocked in China. Facetime works, for now. IT BURNS posted:Yeah, we'll see soon enough. My question is why isn't the ACLU all over this with a freedom of speech lawsuit? https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/35941810/US_WeChat_Users_Alliance_et_al In the last update I saw, the government was arguing the suit was moot because users of wechat will not be subject to criminal liability for using wechat. Thanks.
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The Oracle deal looks pretty half rear end, minimum effort to stay in business. The whole point of a full buy out is to remove direct Chinese access to the data. Anything crossing GFW will still be picked up. There is no guarantee the data isn't gets copied and shunted there anyway unwillingly without full ownership thus separate network. If the WH legit wants to gently caress over WeChat they will have to block the deal. The destruction of WeChat won't nor ever be technological and it's the dumbest method anyway. Too many holes and collateral damage. It will be via financial means and liability. That's how US sanctions work. You don't blockade via parking ships off the coast or metaphorical equivalents. If a company/country can't do business it is better than ships. It's how Meng got snapped up. My guess is Wechat gets removed from app stores(maybe outside the US also), side loading can continue nor will existing installations be removed as there is no mechanism to do so. Updates can potentially happen from outside via self patching bypassing the App stores although not for Apple as it is closed garden. Servers migrate out to companies that don't have a US presence. Wechat closes offices within the US as they can't transact thus can't do business as banks close all their accounts telling them to gently caress off. Personal use will continue without legal issues but likely face degraded service. You won't need to use a VPN.
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lol wut what does banning WeChat in the US even do, functionally (i mean i know you'll no longer be able to download it from app stores probably, but i digress). i tried to set up WeChat back when my brother was working in China and had limited access to other messaging apps cause his VPN was flaky, but WeChat instantly banned _me_ as an apparent spam risk, and declared that i'd need to find someone with an account created inside the PRC and active for over 6mo to vouch for my being real. probably could have managed that through Chinese work colleagues, but didn't bother not exactly like WeChat is particularly unique in this regard (lol, try signing up for Twitter without giving them a phone number nowadays, and enjoy being immediately lost in a bullshit review process arbitrated by contract workers who give no fucks about false positives, despite being useless at not having false negatives either), but drat
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Thousands upon thousands of Chinese ex-pats, students, and others etc no longer able to use their primary method of back home communication - I assume if they are doing super nefarious stuff, they are using something other than Wechat to send back reports, but ultimately, its reciprocal for all of the poo poo that is blocked inside China for the last 10+ years.
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standard trump modus operandi, hurt people who haven't done anything VVV true, but so does every other company Mozi fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Sep 18, 2020 |
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The junk collector posted:Looks like it's already a rough morning for Huawei The article posted:While most vulnerabilities seem unintentional (i.e. coding mistakes), one of them stands out. The hardcoded password is a deliberate backdoor. Chinese companies such as Huawei are known for backdooring their products (and even trying to explain how backdoors are good), so it is not a surprise their HiSilicon video encoders are backdoored as well.
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It's a signal that things are getting serious and backhanded acknowledgement that Chinese companies are extensions of the CCP. The CCP has no equivalent response available. It's already blocked everything. If the US can do so much damage to a Chinese company with so little effort think of the other companies we can hit next. Picking WeChat makes little sense if you want to do serious damage. My overwhelming feeling is it got picked because Trump saw it on Fox News that day. If you pay attention actions that do real damage have nothing to do with Trump.
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Porfiriato posted:There's no Great Firewall in the US so there's no way for them to literally block Wechat, and I'm 99.9% sure it's not possible for an outside party to wipe an app from a normal iOS/Android device. it's not possible to remove the existing apps from phones, and it's unlikely that traffic for them will be blocked. but most of these apps work on version control and if yours doesn't match the numbers of the service host, you probably won't be able to interface with them. and if they're banned from app stores, the only way to update to the current version would be to install apks manually, which is too high of a bar for nearly all users. it's like how skype 1.2 (aka the last good version of skype) can't connect with microsoft's servers because the version is too wrong. now imagine this except instead of the header number being different, wechat's servers will reject your connection attempt because it expects ver 1.95778a but you have 1.95778 it's not because they're stupid or incompetent. it's just rule #1 of all software dev: if it's a pain in the rear end to get working, people will just find something easier Fur20 fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Sep 18, 2020 |
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two articles from Both Sides™ on the wechat ban: https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/08/14/wechat-trap-chinas-diaspora (for) https://lausan.hk/2020/who-bears-the-cost-wechat-ban/ (against)
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The White Dragon posted:it's not possible to remove the existing apps from phones,
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Yeah I'm pretty sure Apple got in some hot water over doing exactly that a few years ago. They don't need to delete anything from people's phones though. The government isn't going to make it illegal to use/download these apps either. As mentioned above, simply banning them from app stores is enough to effectively kill mainstream usage of them in the US.
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Mozi posted:VVV true, but so does every other company
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This is a stupid question. So I am sorry. I know google, and facebook etc. are banned in China for being disharmonious, or whatever reason. What about Kakao? The WeChat in all but name favoured in Korea. Or WhatsApp? Which all of my Indian relatives are using? Or even something else, that I am too much of a luddite to know the name of? I know WeChat is the most popular, and the CCP does love it's monopolies. But surely if it becomes a pain in the arse for US based Chinese people to communicate with their relatives/friends back home in WeChat, they will just switch to one of the ones mentioned above?
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Shumagorath posted:In what capacity? just in terms of being insecure and having stupid backdoors
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BrigadierSensible posted:This is a stupid question. So I am sorry. Don’t know about Kakao, but WhatsApp is banned. Edit: according to this site, Kakao is also banned: https://www.saporedicina.com/english/list-of-blocked-websites-in-china/ Jigsaw fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Sep 19, 2020 |
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Mozi posted:just in terms of being insecure and having stupid backdoors It's absolutely untrue that all (or even most, or even a significant number of) tech companies have what appear to be intentional backdoors built into their software.
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Mozi posted:just in terms of being insecure and having stupid backdoors
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Jigsaw posted:Don’t know about Kakao, but WhatsApp is banned. Kakao gets banned and unbanned and throttled at random. It worked 90% of the time I lived in China. It didn't work when China was butthurt about THAAD, coincidentally.
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