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Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer

seaborgium posted:


And I know someone asked for that gif of HL lasering that dude and flying off, but Starr put a still from it up on his twitter earlier this week. His takeoff position is so, so loving goofy. It looks like a cross between him taking a poo poo and stopping something from falling on him at the same time.

He looks like he's about to do a jumping jack in the most awkward way possible.

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BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012

Butcher almost bashing a kid to death with a see-saw in fourth grade adds some background and credence to Becca saying he was one bad day away from beating someone to death in a carpark.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


TBH Stormfront being 100% passive aggressive and sarcastic all of the time is pretty annoying. I feel like there needs to be a better balance for her character. She is just sort of draining.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
You'd be passive aggressive all the time too if you had to wear that outfit

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

Nuebot posted:

Real Racists want so very hard to be able to say those words though, isn't that why dogwhistles exist in the first place? They can't because even though society is still racist, saying it openly would cause them problems. So it makes sense that if you're going to kill everyone you're going to say the words you like saying so much, especially if the only person left to hear them is someone who can't touch you in any meaningful way: after all Kimiko can't go to the media and ruin Stormfront's public persona.

Thats my point though, if a racist was going to kill a black person they'd go for the N-word with a hard R but the show (understandably) doesn't want to do that so you end up with a relatively weak slur.

On the other hand, the grating passive aggression works because that's whan engaging with an actual alt-righter is like. right down to the 'you brought race into it not me!" line.

BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012

Stormfront smashing homelanders head into her groin is hilarious. I went back and Antony's face is actually smushed up in the action shot lmao

She's definitely the dominant, knowledgeable one of the two when it comes to sex and it's well portrayed. When she throws homelander across the room for the first time he's pretty loving surprised by her strength too. The sizzling and smoking isn't some healing factor it's her skin cooking like pork crackling, pretty mental

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

The ringtone was excellent.

Also my speculation: Stormfront has been brought in by Vought to control Homelander. She was picked by Vought to join the Seven, she's an extremely long term asset of theirs, her whole attitude is specifically curated to endear herself to Homelander and bring him back under control after the Season 1 shenanigans. She may or may not actually have her own agenda but that's the first layer of hidden intentions.

The thing that tips Homelander over isn't Stormfront dying, it's realising that she's been lying to and manipulating him the whole time.

BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012

Stormfront computer was talking about an 82% success rate with the recent trials and that is definitely a supe breeding program run by lamplighter that made the supe that blew up Raynor. Raynor saying there is a coup from within in Ep1 gains more meaning now.

My bet at least

Alastor_the_Stylish
Jul 25, 2006

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.

Accretionist posted:

I figure he was playing with em'.

Tonight's Ep: He hits every bomb? Then *thump thump thump ... GAS*

Black Noir has presence.

I wish we got a scene from his perspective like Sideshow Bob with the rakes.

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.
College Slice

Panfilo posted:




Starlight seems like she's getting more confident, sneaking into Stormfronts trailer and straight up confronting her about being Liberty. She even copied Homelander's "I'm not fuckin around" eye glow moment. How did Stormfront know she leaked the V? Did Gecko turn on her? Is she really good at guessing based on the fact that Starlight had issues with her mom?
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I thought that was a plot hole until I remembered in episode 1 Storefront is literally there for the hand off, and had the V in her bag for awhile. We just assumed Gecko and Starlight had a screen whisper moment where no one else was there, but Storefront could've easily eavesdropped or found the V and put it together. And even if she didn't know exactly what Starlight was going to do she would've totally kept it secret for leverage.

DogsInSpace!
Sep 11, 2001


Fun Shoe

veni veni veni posted:

TBH Stormfront being 100% passive aggressive and sarcastic all of the time is pretty annoying. I feel like there needs to be a better balance for her character. She is just sort of draining.

That smarmy "why you so mad huh?" is a spot on capture of the real life guys. She annoys the gently caress out of me but I really think that is deliberate. She plays everyone all the time. The sarcasm and cloying passive aggressive games are there just to make regular people rage so they can point the fingers and say "Oh wow I guess some types can't handle truth?" I agree that too much of her would kill it but I don't think she will be around that long.

Speaking of.... man I know A Train is a big dumb jock stereotype that is a bit of a poo poo but jesus that scene with Stormlander loving with him just killed me. Want him to be better. I know he killed Popclaw, Robin and probably others with his junkie carelessness but still... would be nice to see him be a real hero and not trash. Proving Nazis wrong is always the way to go. I want him to be better.
Maeve's whole story is tough. Glad she finally got some scenes but man... I know it isn't going to end well for anyone but I want it to. The whole PR twisting her real life to suit them was so gross and so.... real. It being all for petty Homelander mind games just makes it painful.

BurritoJustice posted:

Butcher almost bashing a kid to death with a see-saw in fourth grade adds some background and credence to Becca saying he was one bad day away from beating someone to death in a carpark.

Yeah this episode was diabolical. Before this I was 100% Butcher's a psycho but there might be a tiny speck of a soul inside. I watched him pummel someone in a club in the opening and by the end I am like "awww lets go Butcher!" The adorable dog, his sacrifice in taking on Noir alone, his drug dealing Auntie, the good lil brother who was a good influence. I know the TV show did this on purpose and I am still falling for it. Writing, acting, everything flows to make you care about what is going on and the characters in it. Well done Boys.

Alchenar posted:

The ringtone was excellent.

Also my speculation: Stormfront has been brought in by Vought to control Homelander. She was picked by Vought to join the Seven, she's an extremely long term asset of theirs, her whole attitude is specifically curated to endear herself to Homelander and bring him back under control after the Season 1 shenanigans. She may or may not actually have her own agenda but that's the first layer of hidden intentions.

The thing that tips Homelander over isn't Stormfront dying, it's realising that she's been lying to and manipulating him the whole time.
I could see that. Edgar isn't stupid and knows who he is dealing with. Reminds me of the Big Lebowski "Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, but at least it's an ethos". He probably figures he can deal with the nazi as she has goals and human agendas but Homelander? Who the hell can guess what Homelander will do. Funny enough in real life the world employing nazis had mixed results. You got rockets and the like sure but you also had their dealings with the CIA, MI6 and the like. They sucked and over a long period of time benefitted nobody but themselves. Still got thrown a ton of resources as Western nations figured they were better than the Soviets. Point is you don't trust nazis. Edgar shouldn't and I could see this biting him in the rear end. Homelander isn't a moron and he will catch on to being played.

Also I want MM's shirts as well. That Doctor J one was dope. Same with the BP one from last week. I've got his other shirts already.

DogsInSpace! fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Sep 18, 2020

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Surprised there hasn't been a Captain Hammer, "This is what pain feels like!?" gag yet.

BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012

Thundercracker posted:

I thought that was a plot hole until I remembered in episode 1 Storefront is literally there for the hand off, and had the V in her bag for awhile. We just assumed Gecko and Starlight had a screen whisper moment where no one else was there, but Storefront could've easily eavesdropped or found the V and put it together. And even if she didn't know exactly what Starlight was going to do she would've totally kept it secret for leverage.

To add to this, if you're really anal and rewatch it like I did you can actually see her palm the V into and out of the bag smoothly in shot. It's nice continuity.

If Stormfront was standing out of shot it's forseeable that she saw it.

Also I want to know which devious foley artist got the job of making the "violent cunnilingus slam" SFX but it was well done

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Accretionist posted:

Black Noir is a master of non-verbal expression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfRiRaD_5C0

lmao at the no snacking scene in the operations room.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

piL posted:

Surprised there hasn't been a Captain Hammer, "This is what pain feels like!?" gag yet.

Given that Black Noire doesn't seem to react to pain, we might be headed that way.

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

The cunnilingus slam sounded like teeth hitting flesh.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
*mute seemingly helpless woman enters criminal den*
*rough criminals approach woman and leer threateningly*
*seemingly helpless woman brutalizes criminals as they are SHOCKED and AGAPE at seemingly helpless woman's prowess*

every frenchie and kimiko scene this season could have been from the fake dawn of 7 movie. episode was pretty good besides that though, the plot has been moving along since the last one and we're getting a lot of good character development/reveals.

is anyone getting distracted by starlight's costume and framing? last season, there was a big deal about how she had become a sexualized media product, and we had a glimpse behind her glamorous image with her "post-show" routine in s02e01 but the camera is sending me the opposite message from the narrative. there was one shot where her rear end takes up half the frame instead of the bag that she was looking through in stormfront's trailer.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

crepeface posted:


is anyone getting distracted by starlight's costume and framing? last season, there was a big deal about how she had become a sexualized media product, and we had a glimpse behind her glamorous image with her "post-show" routine in s02e01 but the camera is sending me the opposite message from the narrative. there was one shot where her rear end takes up half the frame instead of the bag that she was looking through in stormfront's trailer.

Yeah I noticed this shot too and it seemed weird. I mean I’m not complaining but yeah it did seem out of place.

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

crepeface posted:

*mute seemingly helpless woman enters criminal den*
*rough criminals approach woman and leer threateningly*
*seemingly helpless woman brutalizes criminals as they are SHOCKED and AGAPE at seemingly helpless woman's prowess*

I dunno that’s about how I would react too if a tiny Asian woman slowly tore my buddy’s face off while making eye contact with me the whole time.

Also re: supes and pain, either a really heightened pain threshold or very numbed ability to feel it comes with the territory for the most part under you’re some D-lister schlub like Mesmer. Then you’ve got guys like Gecko and Noir who don’t seem to feel it at all.

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piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Bussamove posted:

I dunno that’s about how I would react too if a tiny Asian woman slowly tore my buddy’s face off while making eye contact with me the whole time.

Also re: supes and pain, either a really heightened pain threshold or very numbed ability to feel it comes with the territory for the most part under you’re some D-lister schlub like Mesmer. Then you’ve got guys like Gecko and Noir who don’t seem to feel it at all.

I think its more the oh look, a person walked into a bar. Let's immediately aggressively threaten them in a language they dont understand, even if you can't identify them.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Bussamove posted:

I dunno that’s about how I would react too if a tiny Asian woman slowly tore my buddy’s face off while making eye contact with me the whole time.

the complaint isn't about the realism of the reaction but the scene's exact beats playing out the same way they have a million times before. the face ripping was cool, but you can substitute any midpoint action-break/tension-builder moment. it stood out especially since joss whedon uses it all the time and he was called out and the action was just really badly shot

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!
America literally wrestling with fascism before fully embracing it. Just perfect.

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

piL posted:

I think its more the oh look, a person walked into a bar. Let's immediately aggressively threaten them in a language they dont understand, even if you can't identify them.

Everything about the scene screamed that the bar was a front, including trying to threaten people they don’t know trying to come in until they leave.

Woden
May 6, 2006

crepeface posted:

is anyone getting distracted by starlight's costume and framing? last season, there was a big deal about how she had become a sexualized media product, and we had a glimpse behind her glamorous image with her "post-show" routine in s02e01 but the camera is sending me the opposite message from the narrative. there was one shot where her rear end takes up half the frame instead of the bag that she was looking through in stormfront's trailer.

Yeah it has been distracting me too. Every time it happens I start wondering why they're shooting her the way they are, and get taken out of the scene.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



https://i.imgur.com/o15wbV6.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/MYNU4r5.mp4

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen
My favorite little thing this season is Homelander wearing his suit even when he's at home with Becca and the kid.

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

I’m pretty sure the only clothing he owns is those suits. It would totally fit the character.

Maybe just the one suit that smells absolutely terrible.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

MarcusSA posted:

Yeah I noticed this shot too and it seemed weird. I mean I’m not complaining but yeah it did seem out of place.

Yeah I think it speaks worlds that if you just say 'the problematic starlight shot' in this episode I think every single person would know exactly which few seconds you would be referring to.

Just a bit out of place.

Bioshuffle
Feb 10, 2011

No good deed goes unpunished

Woden posted:

Yeah it has been distracting me too. Every time it happens I start wondering why they're shooting her the way they are, and get taken out of the scene.

She is just awful in every way. Every time she is on screen I am distracted by her terrible overacting. Especially in scenes with Stomfront and Homefront. Soap opera tier acting is the worst. None of her actions make any sense at all and she is basically Peggy Hill.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



PostNouveau posted:

The movie is awful in a great way. The green suit monsters were a nice touch.

https://i.imgur.com/qZTbLqD.mp4

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Bussamove posted:

Everything about the scene screamed that the bar was a front, including trying to threaten people they don’t know trying to come in until they leave.

Yes absolutely, and if someone walked into my highly illegal front, I think Id lead with, "Uh hey, we're closed."

The scene felt contrived in a shoe that keeps trying to avoid tropish expectations, which is fine because its obviously all contrived. Its a work of fiction. But it was noticeable here: a real quick tidying up to make sure that her killings felt justified to the audience in a show where the vast majority of killings are intentionally grey.

I wonder how that scene feels if the three gangsters weren't from central casting and were like, "Hey we're closed. Hey do you need a hand?" "Oh poo poo, she's not talking, you think she's high?" "poo poo, she didn't see anything did she? You think she needs a hospital? That's not one of Antonov's girls is it?"

Edit: I think the Kimiko Frenchie story is a good idea but difficult to execute. We rely quite heavily on words obviously. It took a lot of focus and time with the main character to make Mute the awesome movie it was. The Kimiko Frenchie story might be too ambitious as 1/8th of an ensemble show, and they just don't have enough space for what they want to do--that leaves them constantly grasping for shorthandlike this scene, which means most the scenes are low payoff sandwiched between a great Homelander scene, a tense Starlight scene, or a comical Deep interaction. I liked the blowup scene in the church for example.

piL fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Sep 18, 2020

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

I half expected Butcher to upload the photos right after Black Noir left

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

zoux posted:

I'm gay.


Who could have known that Queen Maeve was a GBS poster.

BSam
Nov 24, 2012


GREG loving GRUNBERG!

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
It hurts my heart to realize that they have to include scenes where Storefront is actually racist because, as demonstrated by this thread, the cryptoracism flies right over some people's heads.

Also, editors who use dream/fantasy sequences in trailers or promos should go to prison.

Durzel
Nov 15, 2005


The Black Noir stuff was a crushing disappointment.

I didn't expect him to switch sides, but at the same time I kinda thought he was going solo, like the one guy still left doing their job, etc. You could argue that Edgar pulling his strings is still in keeping with his character, but it really undermines the intrigue there was in his character.

I thought, if anything, that Butcher would have something more substantial sa leverage than Homelander's son, i.e. something that Black Noir - a man (?) of strict principals - would understand and value higher than killing Butcher in that moment. Butcher revealing Homelander's son doesn't strike me as particularly revelatory in a world where Compound V and the fact supes are made, not born, is public knowledge, either.

I dunno, it just felt weak. A substantial buildup and a damp squib payoff.


The rest of the episode was pretty much awesome though, although I don't think it would be much of a loss if the whole Frenchie/Kimiko storyline just went away, it seems to be just aimless.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

It hurts my heart to realize that they have to include scenes where Storefront is actually racist because, as demonstrated by this thread, the cryptoracism flies right over some people's heads.
At least it's finally been proved definitively that Starlight's Mum is Stormfront's daughter, and she had a pet fish called Liberty.

Durzel fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Sep 18, 2020

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:


Also, editors who use dream/fantasy sequences in trailers or promos should go to prison.

It's the same tier of bad as "I know what you're thinking, how did it get to this point? Well the story starts two weeks ago when"

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
The Boys Season 2: Look at these strong female lesbians

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 13 days!
Notice that Black Noir was the only one that Stormfront hasn't (figuratively and literally) hosed with so far. It'll be funny if she tries something and just gets flat out rejected.

With supe durability I've noticed something else - Kimiko and Noir have zombie like durability in that they still physically take damage, it just doesn't affect them. You see bullets fly right through their bodies with no ill effect. A Train got a compound fracture but recovered in like a day or so. Stormfront suffering titty laser also gets burned and says 'ow' so she's tough but not invulnerable like Translucent was. Not sure exactly where Maeve and Starlight fall into this - was Starlight visibly wounded by the .50cal shot in season one? I can't remember.

Now contrast this with Homelander, who doesn't seem to take any damage whatsoever.

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SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib
I want to watch the episode again because this was a really dense episode and I'm excited to see where things go from here.

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