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BonHair posted:Hi, I'm probably headed for management with the way I defend going to work. Middle management. The aristocracy requires a beherit and a blood sacrifice. But keep up the good work! You are looking like associate junior vice president material with that attitude.
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Katt posted:I wonder how they're going to get all the office workers back in the office now that they proved it was completely redundant. Looking at my own office, it seems we'll go back to a more flexible solution where you're expected to be in the office on some specific days, where we plan most of our more important meetings, but where many work from home 2-3 days per week. EDIT: that said, management loves a semi-flexible solution since that's an excuse not to get bigger (mor expensive) office spaces. We were bordering on having to move or completely remodel before corona due to more employees. Not expanding and having some workspaces being flexible tables that people share will probably save us at least a few million, I'd guess. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Sep 18, 2020 |
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lilljonas posted:Looking at my own office, it seems we'll go back to a more flexible solution where you're expected to be in the office on some specific days, where we plan most of our more important meetings, but where many work from home 2-3 days per week. Same with my workplace. They're not necessarily asking for 100% WfH, but the goal is to only have the offices at around 50% capacity, to reduce the transmission risk. In my team, we've agreed on working from home on Mondays and Tuesdays, let's see how that works out.
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My office did 100 percent work from home from mid March to early June and has now banned people doing work from home. They’re insistent on it even though there’s no need for us to be in the office, especially with my role. EVERYONE is here, only the salespeople who sell astronomically can stay home. I am not sales. Even when I have a doctors appointment in Eskilstuna and commuting to work later on would waste time, i am to do so instead of working from home and losing just an hour. Now I lose about three hours of work time. My productivity was next level when working from home, I was happier, saved a fuckton on commuting (I pay 3000kr a month to travel to Stockholm M-F), and I loved it. Absolutely loved it, and I’d willingly forgo a salary increase to do it 24/7 but here i am, posting at work. But at least I’m here to help with the korttidsarbete spreadsheet to see how much all my colleagues make and how much I do not.
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There are pros and cons to working from home, but to my mind some serious pros including emissions reductions, personal commute costs and uncompensated travel time. In an ideal society worker's unions and the political left would have done something about this but apparently that's not on the menu. So the cons, particularly in terms of difficulty in worker organization, amount to loving nothing in my book comparatively. And, the problem can be worked around. It's me, I'm the burgeois office worker misanthrope with disillusionment. Vote Rødt.
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Sep 18, 2020 10:22
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I have no self-esteem and rely entirely on external validation, so working for home has resulted in zero motivation to work and mild depression.
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And now Tegnell is blaming immigrants for the high infection rates.
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There's is nothing but benefits to allowing people to work from home. Some people love it and are more productive from home, others prefer a physical work/life separation. The problem isn't wfh itself, it's forcing everyone into the same mold.
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Nice piece of fish posted:There are pros and cons to working from home, but to my mind some serious pros including emissions reductions, personal commute costs and uncompensated travel time. In an ideal society worker's unions and the political left would have done something about this but apparently that's not on the menu. nah, it's hard enough to organise people as is, i for one wouldn't have had even the very mild success i've had if i didn't run into people getting coffee etc if we remove physical presence, we remove the main building block of solidarity, which is people sharing frustrations and work-related experiences during downtime etc. the labour movement cannot be based on individual utility and expression, that's where they've been headed for the past few decades and it's been a disaster
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Alhazred posted:And now Tegnell is blaming immigrants for the high infection rates. We were blaming immigrants already, now some are praising Tegnell for having "cracked the corona code" by quickly accumulating nine times the deaths.
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I would like to work from home, but it would be a PITA.
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I’d have more time, energy and enthusiasm to organize as a worker if I was working from home. Commuting ~3 hrs daily loving saps you and when I was WFH I started exercising regularly, getting much needed mental health help and I loving slept like a normal person. Now I’m cramming everything in to try and keep up what I gained from WFH but I’m going back to 100 percent shortly and somethings gonna go. Can’t wait until SJ makes it even more stressful to commute because it hemorrhages during winter. Can’t wait to have to make up that time and come home even loving later. But somehow I’m needed in the office for morale. Go loving fig.
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V. Illych L. posted:nah, it's hard enough to organise people as is, i for one wouldn't have had even the very mild success i've had if i didn't run into people getting coffee etc Sure, I don't disagree with the principle of your point, but is the current tack working? Are worker's rights strengthening or weakening, regionally or globally? I'm all for preserving what works, what I'm having trouble with is seeing how the current effort is working for most people. And in deed how the immediate benefits from wfh are being worked towards elsewise by the labour movement. Because I can tell you, people will flock towards where the carrot is. Seems a lot easier to workaround with networking privately in unions, trusting people to work for their own direct private interest if nothing else. It's also a lot harder for employers to counteract a worker's movement outside of the workplace where they have no control over communication what so ever.
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Doing meetings over microsoft teams or whatever is exactly as effective as doing them in a meeting room physically. For a lot of jobs it's 100% pointless to go into an office every day. This will of course vary from job to job. Sometimes you need to work really tightly on something with another person and then it's good to be able to work closely physically as well
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I enjoy working from home, mostly because I can get some actual peace and quiet, and because of the added flexibility with appointments, receiving packages and so on. I also save the ~30 min commute, but honestly I just listen to music and shitpost during that time anyway. On the other hand, being completely physically isolated absolutely hurts cooperation and coordination with my colleagues. We solve a lot of problems just chatting and brainstorming across our desks and have some great discussions over lunch, too. Personally I wouldn't like 100% one or the other, then again I also only have a 30 min commute by very good public transit.
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I don't do a lot of meetings in my job, I do talk in person to others, I go to others workstations to help them with problems and people come to my office to ask about stuff or hand me tasks. Lots of personal talking and also lots of walking and hands on work. It would be an utter PITA to try and do all this remotely. Maybe if I really wanted I could do 2 out of 3 days remotely, only doing project stuff that day. Though my days are not that planned a lot of randomness is involved, small company and all that... At least I only got 20 minutes to my work.
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Teams/Slack/etc is very good for keeping a group in contact when you're geographically diverse. With the added upside that you can mute it or turn it off when you want to focus and avoid getting your train of thought derailed by That Guy who comes over to small talk or needs to be shown how to do his job for the fourth time this week. Also, the idea that people have to work in an office 100% because otherwise unions can't recruit/organise is an absolutely insane take.
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Just make it a rule to be in the office for 20 hours of the 37.5 hour workweek, and if people who do a lot of travel wanna shift those hours onto three days of the week while the rest of us enjoy 4 hour workdays that's cool.
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Would be cool to WFH. I'm being forced to work alongside people who don't give a single poo poo about precautions and think "Just stay home if you get sick" is good enough, or literally throw a tantrum if they have to wear a mask to pick up their lunch order.
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Nice piece of fish posted:It's me, I'm the burgeois office worker misanthrope with disillusionment. Vote Rødt. Isn't that most of this thread?
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I loving hate WFH but i don`t begrugde anyone who prefers it. Ideally there should be totally free choice if the nature of the works allows it. In my case it does, it`s just that i personally need to have a workplace to go to or i collapse into gelatine puddle of apathy and depression. Can`t focus at home, i just can`t.
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I've never enjoyed work more than now because of wfh. maybe when I was a teenager mowing lawns for the municipality and got to listen to audiobooks all day
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People are super different. If I had been single and not a parent, I would enjoy working from home a lot more. Especially if my work wasn't 80% meetings that depend on me getting on with people, which is a lot easier with eye contact.
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I'm working from home every other week which I feel strikes a very nice balance.
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Though skipping 100 minutes of commuting each day would be sweet, I have yet to work from home a single day. So far I have only had to increase distancing to my collegues during lunch and fika, otherwise work has been identical to pre corona. I'm kinda jealous of everyone that had the opportunity to work from home. Cardiac posted:Cake works for where I work. Cake technically works for fika too, but only the most craven would bring store bought havreflarn.
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Because I've always had trouble getting up in the morning working from home is incredibly nice since it means I don't have to stress and have time to eat breakfast (even if it's in front of the computer). I don't really mind going into the office that much though and it's kinda nice to head in after lunch or whatever to get some variation (also nicer chair and adjustable desk).
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We are now OoO/WFH until October 1 at least, in DK
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WFH as a high school teacher sucks rear end, and even though I’m always a bit on my toes wrt maybe catching ‘vid on my train commute, my motivation at work is tenfold what it was in april
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Also the crappy swedish rail system has more or less managed to get most trains arriving on time when, like, 1/10th as many people commute by train. We should just mandate wfh until we can fix the train situation. I sure don’t miss being stranded on a friday evening on my way home from work, not knowing when I’ll be home.
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Working via teams as a kindergarten teacher would probably be an...interesting experience. lilljonas posted:Also the crappy swedish rail system has more or less managed to get most trains arriving on time when, like, 1/10th as many people commute by train. We should just mandate wfh until we can fix the train situation. I sure don’t miss being stranded on a friday evening on my way home from work, not knowing when I’ll be home. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGx3-8UMyko
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Alhazred posted:Working via teams as a kindergarten teacher would probably be an...interesting experience. singing songs while the baby changes its own diapers
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Hey so uh what’s up with the sudden upswing in “Tegnell, a hero” type articles? Like in the past week it’s been that and a complete vindication of the Swedish strategy/herd immunization in non Swedish media which they’re citing a lot of British media.
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teen witch posted:Hey so uh what’s up with the sudden upswing in “Tegnell, a hero” type articles? Like in the past week it’s been that and a complete vindication of the Swedish strategy/herd immunization in non Swedish media which they’re citing a lot of British media. Sweden is having less of second wave than most of Europe, so it's not like it's a difficult narrative to come up with. But if that's a result of a better strategy or not is not really clear. And it's not really about herd immunization, which has never been the goal of the Swedish strategy. It's only really misreported as such. The aim of the Swedish strategy, afaik, is to maintain a "fake quarantine" where people avoid as much contact as possible (through WFH, limits on crowds) but still keep life relatively close to normal (no quarantines, no closed shops or restaurants etc). The aim here is to make sure that you can keep a similar level of restrictions for a very long time, as fighting corona becomes a marathon if you don't nip it in the bud really early on. While the rest of Europe seems to be more like an on-off switch, with harsh quarantines that are completely lifted before the pandemic is nearly close to defeated, since you can't maintain quarantines perpetually, or even more than a few months at best. As many countries now realizing that quitting quarantines and not doing much else instead didn't work, surprisingly, they're facing the unpleasant future of going back to rigid quarantines again as cases are really exploading yet again. The UK media seems to be a big part of this, but that's also because English articles are easier to spread than say, Czech ones, and the UK is plunging into a big second wave (doubling every 7 days) which means a return of unpopular quarantines pushed by a government that repeatedly flaunts the rules themselves. Looking from the outside it seems to be quite the chaotic situation, with ministers changing the pandemic recommendations on a daily basis, so Tegnell's line of not budging at all would probably look more impressive given that context. You can argue whether the Swedish model was a great success or an efficient way to kill off comorbid pensioners, but the numbers right now is at least showing that the second wave is less pronounced here than in other countries that also had very high numbers in Spring, like UK, France or Spain. Again, we don't know if this will change in october-november, but it's an easy narrative to write not so well researched newspaper articles on. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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If harsh quarantines don't work in the long run (as soon as we open up everyone gets sick again) maybe the swedish model is the only one to realistically use. People can't be completely closed off forever Well, the swedish model with modifications, like protecting the elderly instead of sacrificing them to the blood god Zzulu fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Zzulu posted:If harsh quarantines don't work in the long run (as soon as we open up everyone gets sick again) maybe the swedish model is the only one to realistically use. People can't be completely closed off forever Yeah, the Swedish model combined with, you know, a competent centrally managed elder care with properly employed caregivers who could stay at home if they were sick might have been a decent solution.
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teen witch posted:Hey so uh what’s up with the sudden upswing in “Tegnell, a hero” type articles? Like in the past week it’s been that and a complete vindication of the Swedish strategy/herd immunization in non Swedish media which they’re citing a lot of British media. Yeah, funny how that simultaneously appeared across most Danish media. They take one look at weekly infection numbers and suddenly having a 9:1 disparity in deaths is considered inconsequential. It also completely ignores that Sweden has had greater restrictions than us for a while, but is about to make the exact same mistake. I get that it's lovely to give people less than a day's notice before changing things up again and restricting the hours where people can socialise en masse while actively impairing their judgment, but clearly someone is starting to slack. Guess it's a healthy break from "The SOMALIS and PAKISTANIS and [insert non-whites here] are spreading disease!" the government and national broadcaster was putting out there.
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Zzulu posted:Well, the swedish model with modifications, like protecting the elderly instead of sacrificing them to the blood god. I wish we'd push for wearing masks though, at least on public transit. I don't know what changed between last and this week, but suddenly the subway is packed again.
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teen witch posted:Hey so uh what’s up with the sudden upswing in “Tegnell, a hero” type articles? Like in the past week it’s been that and a complete vindication of the Swedish strategy/herd immunization in non Swedish media which they’re citing a lot of British media. It's about as well backed as the old "Sweden sucks the entire rear end" that was reported before. Media being dumb and wanting to sell a good story I guess.
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Collateral Damage posted:But that would require abandoning neoliberal ideals. Was wondering this myself, then I remembered teenage witch mentioned her company is requiring everyone in office. Maybe a lot more are taking that route 
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