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Vader is pretty much coded from day one as a living weapon, wielding magic but kept alive by technology. Palpatine absolutely wants to trade him in for the newer model. They went out of their way to portray his outfit as a mobile iron lung, not power armour. He's a contradictory character, on purpose, and they lean into that because it's such a powerful theme. Might also be related to how carbonite suspended animation is shown as new and untrusted and Vader has confidence in it- because he's reliant on technology to live. Either he's fine with the consequences of such because of his own status (and willing to pay Boba Fett extra) or willing to trust in technology because he has to every day to survive.
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Vader doesn't have great confidence in it, which is why he has it tested on Han.
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Vader knows Carbonite freezing can work due to that time he had it done on himself 19 years prior - he was just skeptical of the facilities and used Han as the guinea pig
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Sep 18, 2020 17:13
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It does seem like an unorthodox repurposing of unintended facilities. Given the ambition of Star Wars and what Lucas could do if he wanted to at that point, I imagine every piece of visual and implicit language should be taken as deliberate.
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Sep 18, 2020 17:26
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It was experimental and jury-rigged until we found out that Mandalorians apparently keep carbon freezing chambers in their ships for transporting people. New Star Wars is so dumb.
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Sep 18, 2020 17:55
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I write that in the sense that calling Hitler some ultimate satanic evil ascribes to him a certain dignity and a clarity of purpose that he didn’t actually have. Nazis are just dangerously stupid. The Nazis just brought what Europe had already been doing to the rest of the world over the course of the last century back to the imperial core. I suppose trying desperately to keep capitalism going in the face of crisis and decline is dangerously stupid from the standpoint of the entire human race, but for the German bourgeoisie it makes plenty of sense and fascism is a logical endpoint of the full-throated pursuit of that goal. Similarly, if you're going to maintain a class dictatorship by a minority of the population you need to inflict outrageous and arbitrary terror on anyone who steps out of line or happens to hail from the wrong minority group; the death star is dumb as hell in the same sense as the unilateral executions visited by police officers on random pedestrians are dumb as hell. They seem pointless and counterproductive at first blush, more liable to foment than to quash revolt, but the powers that be really have no choice but to sink to lower and lower depths of those kinds if they want to maintain their grip on the means of production. I think it makes more sense to compare the First Order not to Soviet Russia but to the modern-day Russian Federation and, more broadly, the entire rest of the non-American world. They've largely been remade in capitalism's/Palpatine's image, and the power that did that largely flowed from America/the old Republic, but now that power center is growing increasingly irrelevant and derangedly revanchist, not realizing that for the most part it's already won and can just chill the gently caress out.
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Sep 18, 2020 17:56
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It was fetts idea to use the carbon freeIng in esb tho wasn’t it
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thrawn527 posted:Hmm.
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euphronius posted:It was fetts idea to use the carbon freeIng in esb tho wasn’t it Nah, he was skeptical of it and wanted to make sure Han wasn't "damaged" iirc
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punishedkissinger posted:Nah, he was skeptical of it and wanted to make sure Han wasn't "damaged" iirc Yeah, Vader wanted to use it on Luke to transport him and used Han as a test subject, explicitly promising to compensate Boba Fett if Han didn't survive the procedure.
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Jewmanji posted:It was experimental and jury-rigged until we found out that Mandalorians apparently keep carbon freezing chambers in their ships for transporting people. The Mandalorian takes place after ESB, though. Once it's proven to be a perfectly safe and viable way to transport bounties, why wouldn't bounty hunters all over the galaxy start using it? I don't believe they ever say in the show that it's a thing Mandalorians have been doing for a long time or anything. And Han was on display at Jabba's palace for a year, so it's not like people wouldn't have heard about it. I thought that actually made perfect sense.
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Sep 18, 2020 18:28
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thrawn527 posted:The Mandalorian takes place after ESB, though. Once it's proven to be a perfectly safe and viable way to transport bounties, why wouldn't bounty hunters all over the galaxy start using it? I don't believe they ever say in the show that it's a thing Mandalorians have been doing for a long time or anything. And Han was on display at Jabba's palace for a year, so it's not like people wouldn't have heard about it. it's more silly that it was apparently so easy to miniaturize this industrial process that required a 20 story machine and just toss in the back of a space pickup
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punishedkissinger posted:it's more silly that it was apparently so easy to miniaturize this industrial process that required a 20 story machine and just toss in the back of a space pickup Alright, that's fair.
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Yeah, next you're gonna tell me that in 20 years, computers will be smaller than refrigerators and people will have them in their living rooms!
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeah, next you're gonna tell me that in 20 years, computers will be smaller than refrigerators and people will have them in their living rooms! i think it's a little more comparable to like, an industrial smelter. it didn't really bother me though, i kinda laughed and accepted it. mandalorian is good.
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Sep 18, 2020 18:42
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I would just assume that seeing the results, enterprising space HVAC people went into overdrive engineering a way to make the process smaller and faster. Please do not post a Marvel Comics story or an excerpt form an EU story confirming this.
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Sep 18, 2020 18:52
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thrawn527 posted:The Mandalorian takes place after ESB, though. Actually didn’t know this- I thought it was another prequel like Rogue One. Still, it’s completely moronic for reasons explained above and more besides.
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Sep 18, 2020 18:56
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The Mandalorian takes place at time when the characters, writers, and crew, believed the Emperor was dead.
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I've been avoiding the gently caress out of the Mandalorian just to annoy my friend, who keeps begging me to watch and saying, "It's Star Wars, and it's good." Well last night I broke down and watched the first episode which turned into the first four episodes. And guess what? It's Star Wars, and it's good! Now I absolutely cannot wait for them to shove a loving Skywalker in Season 2 somehow and make it all about them and ruin loving everything.
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I didn't watch past the first episode, but from my understanding of what worked about season 1 I am extremely skeptical that ahsoka and bobb fett are needed/belong/will improve the show. God help it if there are more 'things you know' characters they're going to try to jam in there that have managed to be kept secret
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Sep 18, 2020 19:07
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If they’re just dropping in for an episode in the course of the “job of the week” and then maybe showing up again at the end, don’t really see it being a problem or interrupting the normal rhythms of the show.
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Has any reputable source reported anything about Pedro Pascal leaving the show over creative disputes, or is that just completely fabricated internet rumor? Seems like the easiest paycheck in the world for him; it’s essentially a voice role.
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Sep 18, 2020 19:12
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I trust Filoni and Favreau
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General Dog posted:Has any reputable source reported anything about Pedro Pascal leaving the show over creative disputes, or is that just completely fabricated internet rumor? Seems like the easiest paycheck in the world for him; it’s essentially a voice role.
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General Dog posted:Has any reputable source reported anything about Pedro Pascal leaving the show over creative disputes, or is that just completely fabricated internet rumor? Seems like the easiest paycheck in the world for him; it’s essentially a voice role. The idea of him leaving abruptly makes me want an absurd death scene. Baby Yoda: "Something to say, you look like you have." Mandalorian: "I have to go now. My planet needs me. This is the way." *He jetpacks away before exploding in the sky* Ahsoka: "DIN'S DEAD!"
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My guess is that spooky clone emperor wants baby yoda to harvest energy from thus tying it to the sequels and that mando and ahsoka will gently caress off forever never to be seen or heard from again
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I'm perfectly OK with some minor retcons like Mandalorians using carbonite. It being untested was an interesting element in ESB but if it instead had been an existing way to do things it wouldn't have really changed the story at all.
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It’s dumb because the carbon freezing was used in ESB in extremely exigent circumstances- it was purely by chance that Han went to visit Lando, Vader was just creating a solution out of thin air to contain Luke who was so dangerous that mere handcuffs wouldn’t be suitable. Carbon freezing is obviously used for some unspecified industrial mining process on Bespin and it requires an absolutely massive room. It’d be like if Vader found a creative use for a forklift in ESB and then it turns out Mandalorians just start adopting the extremely unorthodox use of miniaturized forklifts to capture people and stack them on shelves like an Amazon warehouse. It’s just weird.
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I was certain I remembered Lando saying they use the carbon freezer to ship food, but of course that dialogue isn't actually in the movie. It wouldn't even make sense since it's a gas mine and they wouldn't ship food out of the city
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2house2fly posted:I was certain I remembered Lando saying they use the carbon freezer to ship food, but of course that dialogue isn't actually in the movie. It wouldn't even make sense since it's a gas mine and they wouldn't ship food out of the city The Bespene Cloudburger is a delicacy in nine systems!
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Carbonate Preservation is a common enough concept that threepio the protocol droid remarks "oh that'll work quite well provided he survives the freezing process" Vader says the facility is crude but should be sufficient. The implication is that this is a fairly mature and widespread process and its really just a case of having the necessary equipment to hand.
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Sep 19, 2020 01:07
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So it’s the equivalent of the Imperial fleet forgetting to stock up on ziplock bags
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I wonder if they put a lovely star wars in theaters on purpose, to kill theaters, only to instantly release boba fett 2 onto their new exclusive proprietary streamo supremo source
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I prefer the idea that Mando's clearly like or respect Vader's game He's a trend setter
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We know Boba Fett's totally incompetent as an actual bounty hunter, but his actual skills are all in sales. He got Vader to pay him for a bounty when he really didn't do anything, then collected from Jabba on the same bounty. Obviously, after that, he made it big selling other bounty hunters on Fett Brand Ezy-Freeze Carbonite Chambers - As Used by Jabba the Hutt! It's not actually as efficient or convenient as he implied, but now every Mandalorian's crammed one in the back of their ship, so they might as well use it.
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Angry Salami posted:We know Boba Fett's totally incompetent as an actual bounty hunter, but his actual skills are all in sales. He got Vader to pay him for a bounty when he really didn't do anything, then collected from Jabba on the same bounty. Well, he did track Han, when Han had managed to evade Vader and the Imperial fleet in the area. Which isn't nothing. Vader wouldn't have found Han on Cloud City if not for Boba Fett, which means Fett couldn't have delivered Han to Jabba, and Vader couldn't have lured Luke to Cloud City. Kind of an important moment. His one major victory in every movie we see him in is correctly guessing that Han would hide in the trash. Or at least waiting to see if he was still there, while the Empire peaced the gently caress out.
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You'd think the Empire would have scanned the other planets in the system for settlements and checked them out just in case anyway
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2house2fly posted:You'd think the Empire would have scanned the other planets in the system for settlements and checked them out just in case anyway You'd think, but alas, that's not what we see happen in the movie.
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Angry Salami posted:We know Boba Fett's totally incompetent as an actual bounty hunter, but his actual skills are all in sales. He got Vader to pay him for a bounty when he really didn't do anything, then collected from Jabba on the same bounty. See the real money is in the carbonite sales - once you get them to buy into adding the chamber you have a repeat customer for life
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I thought that the context of ESB was that carbonite freezing was a known practice, it just usually wasn’t done on people in shithole industrial sites like Bespin’s basement. The concerns seem more about the facility than the action itself. Presumably non-industrial designed-for-humans equipment would be smaller, even in the time of ESB.
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