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Have any other authors spoken out about Dan Slott Continuity Cop? IIRC Brian Reed got pissed off because Slott screwed up a Ms Marvel (Carol) story arc he was working on by doing it.
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Sep 19, 2020 18:22
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Was Slott so high up in Marvel that he could constantly get away with stuff like that?
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Sep 19, 2020 18:26
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muscles like this! posted:Have any other authors spoken out about Dan Slott Continuity Cop? IIRC Brian Reed got pissed off because Slott screwed up a Ms Marvel (Carol) story arc he was working on by doing it. Not just mad, supposedly nearly came to a physical altercation after Slott taunted him. bessantj posted:Was Slott so high up in Marvel that he could constantly get away with stuff like that? Not really, he was just "fixing" things most people didn't care about.
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Sep 19, 2020 19:11
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muscles like this! posted:Have any other authors spoken out about Dan Slott Continuity Cop? IIRC Brian Reed got pissed off because Slott screwed up a Ms Marvel (Carol) story arc he was working on by doing it. How did he mess up the story arc? Rhyno posted:Not really, he was just "fixing" things most people didn't care about. And what's his record on that like?
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Sep 19, 2020 19:30
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Brian Reed gave us that terrible 'Puppet Master controls superheroines' story so it might have been a net gain.
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Sep 19, 2020 20:18
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bessantj posted:How did he mess up the story arc? Someone else probably has it in greater detail but essentially Reed did a story arc with a dangling plot thread of an alternate universe Carol hanging around. Slott then wrote in one of his books that the alternate Carol went back to her home dimension. Which was a problem because Reed wasn't done with the character yet. In a similar vein, wasn't John Byrne also bad about undoing stuff he didn't like? Something like he would retcon Doom stuff to be Doombots?
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Sep 19, 2020 20:50
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muscles like this! posted:Have any other authors spoken out about Dan Slott Continuity Cop? The industry is too incestuous at this point where nobody who isn't retired ever says anything bad about anyone because they're terrified of being blackballed. Which definitely does not cause huge problems when a big name is outright abusive instead of just kind of a dick.
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Sep 19, 2020 20:58
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Lurdiak posted:Which definitely does not cause huge problems when a big name is outright abusive instead of just kind of a dick. No idea who you could be talking about. And that's not a sarcastic remark indicating I know who you're talking about, because I don't. It's a sincere remark because there's way too many possibilities.
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Sep 19, 2020 21:17
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muscles like this! posted:In a similar vein, wasn't John Byrne also bad about undoing stuff he didn't like? Something like he would retcon Doom stuff to be Doombots? And everything he did to the Vision. And his super lovely Doom Patrol run from the 00's. And what he did to Donna Troy and Etrigan while on Wonder Woman.
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Sep 19, 2020 21:24
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muscles like this! posted:Someone else probably has it in greater detail but essentially Reed did a story arc with a dangling plot thread of an alternate universe Carol hanging around. Slott then wrote in one of his books that the alternate Carol went back to her home dimension. Which was a problem because Reed wasn't done with the character yet. He also had She-Hulk go through like point by point how a She-Hulk miniseries clearly never happened because he didn't like a gag in it and also felt the writer didn't do enough research on Wyatt Wingfoot's tribe. Writers are constantly adding to or undoing other people's stuff, that's the nature of a shared universe, he was just more obviously and pointedly a dick about it
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Sep 19, 2020 22:35
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muscles like this! posted:In a similar vein, wasn't John Byrne also bad about undoing stuff he didn't like? Something like he would retcon Doom stuff to be Doombots? I don't know if that's entirely Byrne because I feel like 'it was a Doombot' has been an excuse for things before his FF run, but I could be wrong. I know it comes up later in some Avengers stuff. Basically if it doesn't make sense to be Doom, it's a Doombot. Rhyno posted:And everything he did to the Vision. And his super lovely Doom Patrol run from the 00's. And what he did to Donna Troy and Etrigan while on Wonder Woman. I remember a goon saying that Byrne thought he was righting an injustice done to Roy Thomas and John Buscema's original vision (heh) when the people who gave Vision his emotions were... Thomas and Buscema. I don't even know what happened in his Doom Patrol but will assume it was 'turn them into standard superheroes' because I can't imagine Byrne having anything to do with Danny the Street or the Brotherhood of Dada or related. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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Sep 20, 2020 01:15
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Dawgstar posted:I don't know if that's entirely Byrne because I feel like 'it was a Doombot' has been an excuse for things before his FF run, but I could be wrong. I know it comes up later in some Avengers stuff. Basically if it doesn't make sense to be Doom, it's a Doombot. I think the Doombot poo poo before Byrne was mostly resolved within the same story, not used as a retcon.
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Sep 20, 2020 01:39
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Skwirl posted:I think the Doombot poo poo before Byrne was mostly resolved within the same story, not used as a retcon. Possibly. I would not put it past Byrne to make every Doom story he didn't like not Doctor Doom.
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Sep 20, 2020 01:47
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Dawgstar posted:I don't even know what happened in his Doom Patrol but will assume it was 'turn them into standard superheroes' because I can't imagine Byrne having anything to do with Danny the Street or the Brotherhood of Dada or related. Byrne threw out everything that happened between the original DP run and his series. Yes, including Morrison's stuff. He also managed to gently caress up Titans continuity in the process by resetting Beast Boy/Changeling's history too.
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Sep 20, 2020 06:38
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Byrne Doombotted a Chris Claremont X-Men story because he thought the real Doom wouldn’t let Arcade get away with striking a match against his mask.
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Sep 20, 2020 13:56
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Some writers were those kids who'd go "nuh uh you didn't hit me, I had a force field," when all you were playing was Cops & Robbers.
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Sep 20, 2020 14:01
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Did Squirrel still canonically get one over on Doom, or was that doombotted away?
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Sep 20, 2020 14:20
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At this point she has multiple times now.
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Sep 20, 2020 14:50
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Squirrel Girl was a refreshing contrast to Hickman literally deifying Doctor Doom.
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Sep 20, 2020 16:07
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Open Marriage Night posted:Byrne Doombotted a Chris Claremont X-Men story because he thought the real Doom wouldn’t let Arcade get away with striking a match against his mask. Oh, I remember that. Maybe the pettiest retcon ever? I didn’t mind the She-Hulk juggernaut thing as a recurring gag, but doing an entire story just to retcon it was kinda embarrassing
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Sep 23, 2020 01:30
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I wish G-Mo had made more of a point to retcon every single thing Byrne did at DC.
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Sep 23, 2020 04:10
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Rhyno posted:I wish G-Mo had made more of a point to retcon every single thing Byrne did at DC. Hasn't everything been retconned a half dozen times in general since Byrne left DC?
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Sep 23, 2020 05:36
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Remember when Byrne was like gently caress all the runs after the first of doom patrol, even though the creator said the only person who got them was Morrison, and introduced in one of the worst stupidest jla storyline
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Sep 23, 2020 06:56
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bobkatt013 posted:Remember when Byrne was like gently caress all the runs after the first of doom patrol, even though the creator said the only person who got them was Morrison, and introduced in one of the worst stupidest jla storyline Yeah, Grant even sent him a copy of the letter stating as much.
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Sep 23, 2020 07:06
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Rhyno posted:Yeah, Grant even sent him a copy of the letter stating as much. I'm sure John Byrne took that completely in stride.
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Sep 23, 2020 07:08
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Byrne really seems to hate Grant. And Grant just enjoyed ribbing on him which made it so much better. I'm quietly hoping that Waid and Bendis will work together on something that flips Byrne the bird in some way.
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Sep 23, 2020 07:10
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What is probably the worst retcon of a character or event? Who is the worst "retconner", someone who constantly makes everything worse with their retconning?
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Sep 23, 2020 08:32
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bessantj posted:What is probably the worst retcon of a character or event? Who is the worst "retconner", someone who constantly makes everything worse with their retconning? Everything that lead to Superboy Prime.
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Sep 23, 2020 08:33
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Rhyno posted:Everything that lead to Superboy Prime. I'm gonna preface this by saying I don't know what lead to Superboy Prime. But it's gotta be Spider-Man selling his marriage to the devil to save Aunt May. Which was partially the result of another lovely retcon in bringing Aunt May back to life during the Clone Saga. Aunt May's death was easily the best single issue of that entire thing.
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Sep 23, 2020 08:40
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It was the rise of Geoff Johns. Edit: Byrne brought her back. Rhyno fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Sep 23, 2020 08:48
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Rhyno posted:It was the rise of Geoff Johns. I'm still going with mine. And jesus gently caress, I didn't think I could hate Byrne more, but here we are.
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Sep 23, 2020 08:55
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Rhyno posted:Everything that lead to Superboy Prime. Quick recap of that? Was he the one that punched reality? Skwirl posted:But it's gotta be Spider-Man selling his marriage to the devil to save Aunt May. Did they do that because an editor wanted Peter to be a single loser again?
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Sep 23, 2020 10:06
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bessantj posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq1wzW3zhT0&ab_channel=JusstSomeMusic
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Sep 23, 2020 10:09
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bessantj posted:Quick recap of that? Was he the one that punched reality? Geoff Johns needed an ultimate bad guy for Infinite Crisis and for some reason he latched onto SBP.
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Sep 23, 2020 10:13
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The Xorn thing was extremely stupid. New X-Men introduces a new character named Xorn who joins the team and eventually reveals himself to be Magneto in disguise. He does some poo poo and Wolverine kills him. Like a month later a different X series says Xorn wasn't Magneto he was actually a guy named Xorn who just thought he was Magneto and also he has a twin brother also named Xorn who is a good guy.
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Sep 23, 2020 11:18
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I thought I heard that somewhere before. Rhyno posted:Geoff Johns needed an ultimate bad guy for Infinite Crisis and for some reason he latched onto SBP. Oh well, fair enough.
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Sep 23, 2020 11:43
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There was the bizarre Illuminati comic that 'revealed' that the Beyonder was actually just a mutant inhuman (?!), that made so little sense even on its own terms that I don't think anyone even bothered referencing it again to retcon it away.
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Sep 23, 2020 13:15
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Angry Salami posted:There was the bizarre Illuminati comic that 'revealed' that the Beyonder was actually just a mutant inhuman (?!), that made so little sense even on its own terms that I don't think anyone even bothered referencing it again to retcon it away. Bendis was doing his 'eh, whatever' thing that he likes to do but later Hickman retconned the Inhuman Beyonder into a construct and the 'real' Beyonder was actually a juvenile of the Beyonders. (Bendis also made him a mutant Inhuman.)
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Sep 23, 2020 14:07
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Byrne's claimed he had an out to put all the toys in the box again after his Vision hard reboot and Scarlet Witch is totally crazy with invented ghost babies story but either quit or got run off West Coast Avengers before he did it, and those stories are based on the idea that the writer Byrne took over from was wrong and also the writer who took over for him was wrong, so just real petty in a couple directions
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Sep 23, 2020 17:30
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Some nice shade thrown at Steve Englehart and Roy and Dann Thomas respectively.
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