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Option 2, not because I think it will actually work but because it's obviously not going to but it does keep a possible agent away. Those other prisoners are obviously already dead anyway. Waaaait a minute, the disfavored morons tried to cross a river while wearing heavy iron armor when their enemy has a powerful watermage? Nin o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer. Rimmo nin Bruinen, dan in Ulair! Poil fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Sep 18, 2020 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:To question Kyros' ability to make mistakes is to question her omnipotence. If Kyros wanted to make a mistake he could. I see what you did there and I approve.
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EclecticTastes posted:In the case of Kyros, he's been the undisputed master of most of the world (and, with the Tiers, now seemingly the entire world, or at least what's known of it) for longer than literally anyone has been alive, aside from Tunon, the most loyal of the Archons. She didn't get there by being stupid, or making obvious mistakes. Like, Kyros may not be infallible, but she's clearly the one to beat when it comes to strategy and planning. To automatically jump to the conclusion that he made some kind of critical error in what is clearly a fairly routine conquest runs counter to the entire established mythos. Remember your Savielli. "The winner of the game is the player who makes the next-to-last mistake." Kyros is obviously a capable sort, but we haven't seen the state of the board when the game started. The same victory that would prove a player a master against a master merely proves someone capable if done against a more average opponent. What we do know is who held out longest against Kyros, at least within living memory. The most challenging opponent. That opponent was Graven Ashe. Graven Ashe is currently sending three brigades to a river where his entire force was previously wiped out. Forgive me if I assume that Kyros's infallibility is more an advertising stunt than a fact. As long as your opponents assume you're planning for their moves, they'll spend all their time second guessing themselves, and give in under pressure. Meanwhile, if people think Kyros is "just" a capable commander with some nice superweapons who's managed to cover for mistakes so far, then opposing the overlord looks a lot better as a gamble.
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chiasaur11 posted:Remember your Savielli. Well, obviously Kyros has a robust propaganda machine going, and I've got plenty more to say on the matter, but, like, there'll be a lot more to get into regarding Kyros' strategic acumen, blind spots, etc. once things get going, but for the moment, suffice it to say that this situation falls under "stuff Kyros is very good at". Well, except for one unexpected thing she didn't account for, but in fairness nobody else could have seen it coming, either.
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to paraphrase the famous pre-world-war one line on the machine gun: whatever happens, we have got the Edict gun, and they have not you can cover for a LOT of mistakes by being able to deploy an out-of-context solution any time mundane means fail you.
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chiasaur11 posted:Forgive me if I assume that Kyros's infallibility is more an advertising stunt than a fact. As long as your opponents assume you're planning for their moves, they'll spend all their time second guessing themselves, and give in under pressure. Meanwhile, if people think Kyros is "just" a capable commander with some nice superweapons who's managed to cover for mistakes so far, then opposing the overlord looks a lot better as a gamble. But to be fair, you have quite a bit of room to be fallible when you have nuclear warheads, control earthquakes, the ability to kill mass numbers of people simply by proclaiming it...along with the resolve to play those cards without hesitation. Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:you can cover for a LOT of mistakes by being able to deploy an out-of-context solution any time mundane means fail you.
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interesting albeit depressing trivia: this is a large part of why world war one ended up such a nightmare. the last several decades of warfare had been "deploy machine gun, giggle, be home by Christmas," allowing some truly stupid assholes and their truly stupid ideas to rise to the heights of the military command structure unchallenged. so the split second they were fighting someone who ALSO had the Your Attack Stops Here button, the great engine of European military strategy spent most of a decade making GBS threads itself to death, because it took that long for the command staff to register "charging machine guns does not work" the Tiers are a tiny corner of a continent, home to a people who cannot hope to match Kyros' forces in either numbers or material support. Kyros has still been forced to drop three loving nukes on them, with the fourth now inbound, because his commanders cannot put down a simple peasant rebellion without Mommy to lay down suppressive fire.
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Sep 18, 2020 19:50
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If Kyros had sent just the Disfavored or just the Chorus, everyone in this rebellion would already be dead or enslaved. But Ashe and Nerat just can't help themselves.
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Sep 18, 2020 20:09
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Or better yet, have the Disfavored raise a militia of locals to use as extra muscle and future low ranking officials. No overly ambitious mind eating commander to worry about and since the militia would be explicitly separate from the Disfavored their xenophobia would not be as big of a problem.
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Sep 18, 2020 20:17
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By popular demand posted:Or better yet, have the Disfavored raise a militia of locals to use as extra muscle and future low ranking officials. No overly ambitious mind eating commander to worry about and since the militia would be explicitly separate from the Disfavored their xenophobia would not be as big of a problem. Let me ask you this: The Tiers are the last place in the world Kyros doesn't control. The Scarlet Chorus are insane, pillaging psychopaths, and the Disfavored all ultimately would love to break free from Kyros and depose him if they could. So, why would she want either of them to still exist after the one thing either of them were good for was finished forever?
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Sep 18, 2020 20:30
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Kyros outclasses the Disfavored and whatever army of malcontents raised to govern the region by so much that it will not even require a whole night of long knives to remove anyone getting too big for their britches. Maybe just an hour of long knives.
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By popular demand posted:Kyros outclasses the Disfavored and whatever army of malcontents raised to govern the region by so much that it will not even require a whole night of long knives to remove anyone getting too big for their britches. Maybe just an hour of long knives. Why would Kyros bother with any of that when there's an opportunity to deal with everything all at once? Here are Kyros' options: -Send only the Disfavored or Scarlet Chorus, they conquer the region without much trouble, then have to wipe both out separately at a later date, in a context where they'll definitely try to fight back and will be fully aware that you just want them gone, and where one of them is firmly entrenched within the Tiers since conquering a region for Kyros means you get to rule it apparently. -Send both, the conquest is still successful because Edicts, but will likely result in a situation where one or both of the Disfavored and Scarlet Chorus are wiped out or significantly weakened, kill the lot of them with an Edict designed to make it look like they deserved it for failing if they hit anything resembling a snag, give the place to Tunon, and have that many fewer problems to deal with in the future. Like, why would Kyros waste a chance to kill off potential threats in a way they won't even realize is an open attempt to kill them? A bird in the hand and all that.
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Sep 18, 2020 20:46
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Ashe and Nerat aren't threats, but they absolutely are problems. They can only exist at war and the war is over.
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I dunno, to me the Disfavored just seem to be extremely easy to predict and plan for while that archon of secrets is almost erratic and his mob so uncontrolled they could spark up rebellions entirely by accident. So as the ultimate evil overlord the best strategy seems to wipe out the unpredictable now and use the predictable as a tool while taking the time to develop replacements.
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By popular demand posted:Or better yet, have the Disfavored raise a militia of locals to use as extra muscle and future low ranking officials. No overly ambitious mind eating commander to worry about and since the militia would be explicitly separate from the Disfavored their xenophobia would not be as big of a problem. alternately, you could directly tell Graven Ashe to go gently caress himself with his warhammer, it's not like he's going to take "go turn some mud people into soldiers to take the glory that should be yours" any better
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Also, Kyros beat Ashe and his forces once. I doubt Kyros is concerned about the possibility of needing to do it again.
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Sep 18, 2020 20:55
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Getting an excuse to kill Ashe, Nerat, and that gogetter Fatebinder while making it seemed like they deserved it seems like a good plan
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Sep 18, 2020 21:08
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wiegieman posted:If Kyros had sent just the Disfavored or just the Chorus, everyone in this rebellion would already be dead or enslaved. But Ashe and Nerat just can't help themselves. I think TGEK is right and they were both sent as a way to either get rid of them or bring them to heel. Kyros does not want a group of highly trained soldiers behind their defenses ready to stab when least convenient. Kyros probably has an idea that Nerat knows stuff that could harm them and wants that risk minimized. We haven't met Tunon yet but, I'd bet Tunon is only there to lend legitimacy to getting rid of two problematic archons. This is literally a CK2/3 scheme in game format.
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Sep 18, 2020 21:14
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Azuth0667 posted:This is literally a CK2/3 scheme in game format. Appropriate, given the publisher.
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Sep 18, 2020 21:43
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Its Rinaldo posted:Getting an excuse to kill Ashe, Nerat, and that gogetter Fatebinder while making it seemed like they deserved it seems like a good plan It cannot be overemphasized just how much the Fatebinder is a disposable nobody schmuck. There were three Edicts issued at the end of the Conquest, we just issued one of them and we're just the person who drew the short straw in Tunon's court politics on dealing with this dumbshit mess. I doubt Kyros knows more about us than that one of their law enforcers/WMD delivery systems got sent to conclude the ongoing embarrassment.
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Complications posted:It cannot be overemphasized just how much the Fatebinder is a disposable nobody schmuck. There were three Edicts issued at the end of the Conquest, we just issued one of them and we're just the person who drew the short straw in Tunon's court politics on dealing with this dumbshit mess. I doubt Kyros knows more about us than that one of their law enforcers/WMD delivery systems got sent to conclude the ongoing embarrassment. You're assuming Kyros doesn't have some bullshit super magic at her disposal.
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Complications posted:It cannot be overemphasized just how much the Fatebinder is a disposable nobody schmuck.
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Complications posted:It cannot be overemphasized just how much the Fatebinder is a disposable nobody schmuck. There were three Edicts issued at the end of the Conquest, we just issued one of them and we're just the person who drew the short straw in Tunon's court politics on dealing with this dumbshit mess. I doubt Kyros knows more about us than that one of their law enforcers/WMD delivery systems got sent to conclude the ongoing embarrassment. This isn't quite true. Both legions have fairly favorable impressions of us, and the locals remember us as "The Peacebinder". We're not an Archon or anything, but we do rate our own banner and our exploits are known throughout the Tiers.
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It's also said to be highly unusual to survive not just one, but two Edict readings.
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Also, while not necessarily rating "know them each by name and face" for Kyros, Fatebinders in general are fairly important members of the administration, given how much authority they wield and how few there actually are (I don't recall an exact number being given, but I inferred it being at most a couple hundred, across the entire world). It wouldn't take very much for any given Fatebinder to end up on Kyros' radar.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:alternately, you could directly tell Graven Ashe to go gently caress himself with his warhammer, it's not like he's going to take "go turn some mud people into soldiers to take the glory that should be yours" any better I dunno. "Use the trash to deal with the trash. It's not like there's any glory to a victory here, and it means our people don't die for an empty cause." isn't that hard a sell. Ashe might bite, he might not, but it seems like something that you could suggest without causing excessive offense. Ashe is a massive racist and because of it, a fuckup, but he's supposed to have a good military mind somewhere in there, and concern for his people. Presenting that kind of offer wouldn't seem blatantly insulting.
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The suggestion to Ashe assumes that he's cold and methodical. He really isn't. He cares about his troops as his chosen people, so telling him to recruit people that aren't his chosen is going to go badly.
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chiasaur11 posted:I dunno. "Use the trash to deal with the trash. It's not like there's any glory to a victory here, and it means our people don't die for an empty cause." isn't that hard a sell. Ashe might bite, he might not, but it seems like something that you could suggest without causing excessive offense. We can probably make the assumption that suppressing the rebellion is something they can gain glory for - or even better, something each can use to humiliate the other.
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anilEhilated posted:I think we'll see more about that a bit later, but if that approach were possible, he would've already done it with the Scarlet Chorus. Instead, he sent his troops on a suicide mission at the river. I don't think it's likely he'd go for it, to be clear. I just think it'd get a "Noted, we're still doing it my way" response rather than a "What the gently caress did you just say to me?" response.
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For our initiation into the Scarlet Chorus, we have gone with Option 1! Praise Kyros!
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Cleopatra Jones and the Attack on Trap River Last time on Tyranny, Cleopatra asked the Scarlet Chorus to honor their deal and induct a prisoner, and we were given three options of various cruelty to ensure her loyalty. Goons voted to have Variah Kel bash her friends to death with a rock. Was that the right decision?  It was! The Scarlet Chorus is pleased with our vicious, bloodthirsty ways!  What a happy story!  : We're no closer to finding the oathbreakers' position, not with this cryptic mess. She promised us answers and all she gave us was gibberish!.  Description isn't really necessary.  : Who are you? : [Read the parchment for yourself.] Well, Cleopatra can't read this, and she's smarter than the average Disfavored. : [Show him the parchment.] Can you read this? : Well, let me see... I can't... umm ...hmmmm... Uh huh...: You hold the parchment in front of the bound Sage and his eyes dart down the length of the missive. He reads the words a second time, nodding in silence.: So... I don't know exactly what it says but... I'm half certain that's Sage Selwin's handwriting. I'm sure I could decipher that in a few hours' time. Don't NEED my hands free, but... I think better when not tied to a post. I know, I'm weird that way. Here we see the sheer ineptitude of the Scarlet Chorus at play again. : It can't hurt to give him a few hours. Alright goons, I need you to vo - ahahaha no. Lantry here is another party member, and he's a mage in Tyranny, so he gets to join the team. He also rules. : Untie him, give him a chance to translate. Oof, a typo. More importantly, we are forgetting someone. Kyros' authority supercedes all, and the Fifth Eye seems to have forgotten that. I'm a little disappointed we can't use that to smack him down, but we're reinforcing the theme that these armies are a threat because they're more loyal to Ashe and Nerat than Kyros.  The Fifth Eye is pretty great at seizing opportunities. Lantry is not going to win a trial by combat after being tied to a post for who knows how long, and if we intercede he gets an apparently completely legal crack at getting the Fatebinder out of Nerat's hair. : Fine. But I'll be his champion - this one needs to live.   : The Sage is unbound from the post. Stiff legs nearly buckle as he attempts to walk, and his arms flex and flail in their new freedom.: Wiping sweat and grim from his brow, the Sage steps close to you with a nervous smile. I'm guessing someone didn't want to render hundreds of models.  : If they got this worked up to fight the enemy, I venture the war would be over by now.: Begin the chant of gathering - let the warriors know that tonight's entertainment will soon commence! A pair of Scarlet Furies and two horde jerkoffs step up. : Our claimants have been assembled. Now let the trial of the oathbreaker begin! We have two levels to give to Lantry. I'll be discussing character talents in future bonus updates.  These guys suck. Unfortunately poor Lantry goes down, but he's just knocked out. He'll be fine.  Revenge!  : That was fun. Your warriors almost put up a good fight. There's some more stuff going on here than meets the eye, but we gotta chat with Lantry. : I thought I'd die tied to that post. The Sage looks down as his rope-worn wrists in disbelief. Now hand me that parchment, I'm certain I can decipher it.: Well much of the parchment was weathered, but I could make out the important parts of the text. The note makes mention of a meeting spot west of Tripnettle.  : Something's amiss. There's a lot of fight in you for an old scholar. Now you're offering to join this expedition... : I've met Sages every bit as cuttthroat as hardened gang bosses. They act the part of doddering scribes, but don't let that fool you.: Smart for someone your age to be so mistrusting. But I'm not with the oathbreakers, if that's what you're fishing at. I worked for them under duress, but I've no love of them. I'm not about to pledge to the Chorus, and the Disfavored wouldn't have me. Still, I consider myself a Kyros-fearing vassal of the Overlord's empire all the same.Now, that's not quite what Lantry was talking about earlier when he said the oathbreakers weren't paying him any more, but we need party members so we'll let that slide. Note the phrase "Kyros-fearing". We haven't seen any religion in this game so far, and it's set in the Bronze Age, where people believed that if you didn't do the right rituals to placate the gods your crops would get blighted and whatnot. This is our first indicator that Kyros hasn't just taken the position of rulership, but is so powerful there is no god but Kyros.  I legitimately do not understand dialogue option number four or how we got there. Was the assassination plan to send...one beat up old man and tie him to a post for hours? : So you won't be a parchment weight during a fight... good to know. : You're offering to come with me? Why?: Because the alternative is... what? Living here with these illiterate brutes? My old study is under a river of fire and there's no family missing me.We did that. We burned Lantry's home. Oops!  : Fine. If you are so eager, come with me. : I know I may seem old and frail, but I know how to step lightly and how not to get killed - really, I won't slow you down. Lead the way, and let me know if I can be of service.: Are we done here? Let's hightail it to Tripnettle. If your new pet doesn't behave himself along the way, I'm not above clipping his ears.TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
So there's a bit more going on here. Fifth Eye doesn't like us. Fifth Eye also confirmed the allegiance of the Chorus is to Nerat, not Kyros - a dangerous thing to say period, and moreso in front of a Fatebinder. Of course, we don't actually have the resources to do anything about it. We are in the middle of the Chorus camp and Fifth Eye not only omits to pay fealty to Kyros but challenges our authority. Despite what Fifth Eye says, we actually do have the authority to do this - remember when we intervened to help out that merchant? Now, Fifth Eye tries to make it look fair by calling for "volunteers" and we end up fighting not four Horde randos, but two elite Scarlet Furies. Verse herself tells us that Scarlet Furies are rare and - spoilers - the Fifth Eye has similar telepathic abilities to Nerat. We will never know for certain whether we were supposed to die in this fight, but I'm pretty sure the entire thing was once again staged for the benefit of the Chorus and an opportunity to get rid of that pesky Fatebinder so Nerat could continue screwing over Ashe. Oh well. Lastly, Lantry is pretty obviously manipulating us here by stalling saying it will take hours to decipher the parchment rather than the five minutes it just took him, but honestly, who cares? He's probably not being completely truthful about his relationship with the Vendrien Guard, but he's our only ally right now who's not beholden to those fuckup Archons. He's not spying on us for Nerat, he's not going to go on and on about "The Great General", he just wants to live. He didn't waste any time once we saved his life. The thing about Lantry is that it shows just how destructive and wasteful the tyranny is - someone like Lantry, who is highly educated, a healer, and a warrior, would be highly in demand in any functioning state but is tossed out like refuse in the land of Kyros. Oh well, I have one last thing I want to ask Lantry before we hit the road.   : Tell me about your magic. : Can you teach me anything?: Sure? I can show you how to blend your own inks, train birds to think you're their mom, how to turn a goat into parchment... but I'm sure you'd prefer to learn some magic.: If the School of Ink and Quill still mattered, I'd maybe be more tight-lipped but... if we're going to travel together, you should know how to mend wounds, especially if I'm killed.Lantry, if you get killed, I have the reload button. There is no stupid black pyramid from nowhere in this game.  We are absolutely going to take him up on this. : I would be honored to learn a little of what you know.  : [Follow his instructions] Two typos in one update, oof.  Lantry rules. : We'll talk more later.: Indeed - I've a finite appetite for discussing myself, and I'm more than sated. Let us press onward.TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
 Now we can make healing spells! Lantry has a lot of more, and usually has more than us. That yellow spell uses the Vigor core sigil, which we don't have and can't recreate. I leave it alone for now, all it does is give +2 might and +2 vitality (physical damage and hit points). The leftmost spell in Lantry's bar is the touch healing spell, which heals ~25% of the target's HP. I also load Lantry up with our array of attack spells, because there is no reason not to do this and two CC mages are better than one.  We can buy the Vigor sigil off the Scarlet Chorus camp merchant. He also sells us the expression to make our spells cones, which is the best area for our attacks we can get at the start of the game. Cone spells are really good.  Cleo levels up and we teach her lore. The Fatebinder skill trees...are kind of weird, and I'm planning to do a bonus update on it as well.  This is up next, and we absolutely need it so Cleo can have more spells to cycle through before she has to start punching people.  I start messing with the Vigor sigil and - holy poo poo! 30% more damage for the entire team? How have I never used this spell before? This goes right on Lantry. Before we leave I go to chat with the Fifth Eye.   We kind of know about all these subjects, except... : Who's the strongest in your camp?: I am, naturally. : What happened to her sisters?  Let's just leave. : Farewell.TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
There are two soldiers in camp we can chat with. Some takeaways:  The Fifth Eye is mentally linked to Nerat.  Our objective, Ascension Hall, has something called a "Spire" that holds some kind of monsters called "Bane". I'm sure this isn't important.  We're doing this. If we don't do this we can't get to Ascension Hall and its Spire. We know it's a trap because Nerat said that we would encounter Eb and her inconsequential resistance. All the stuff the Archons hosed up? It's about to bite us in the rear end right now.  The first thing you want to do on this map is take an immediate left. Why?  Hell yeah! It's the last sigil from character creation!  Unfortunately, it kind of sucks. Well, specifically, we don't have the rest of the sigils to make it good. The other spell we can make with it is a cone that roots and removes buffs from people, which is...kind of bad on a squishy mage because we're rooting people right next to us.  You would think it would have powerful life steal attacks from this description, but in reality it just does debuffs. Oh well. NOW we can deal with the fuckups.   The thread correctly spent a lot of time pointing out how badly this was going to end for the Disfavored.  Oh yes, we can't just gently caress it up, we need to ruin it further with infighting. You may remember Nerat sent the Scarlet Chorus elsewhere, so why is Quip here? Keep reading.   So yes, the Blood Chanters are all conscripted Tiersmen mages from the School of Wild Wrath, which we helped capture. I guess Lantry and the Sages won that war. : What is happening? Shouldn't you be on the other side of the bridge? I love the little dialogue models so much.  This is why the Chorus is here. Bitter Quip is here with his unit of Scarlet Furies to swoop in and take credit after Nerat set the Disfavored up to fail. I assume Eb can't keep the river lurching up forever, so my guess is that the Furies are supposed to step in when the Disfavored are completely destroyed. For bonus points the Disfavored can't even fight Eb's magic because Kyros sealed all their mages out of the valley. Oops!  We are given the opportunity to take sides. Cleopatra is a diplomat. : A member of the School of Tides is alive and working with the Vendrien Guard. I assure you, she's the culprit. : That would explain it. I saw a woman dressed in blue at on[sic] the other side of the river - didn't seem like she fit with the others.: Had we focused our strength into one perfect lunge, we could have crossed the bridge before the enemy knew what was killing them. But it's not too late, we can use the Scarlet Furies to -Why are all the Disfavored commanders so loving dumb? Nepotism  Look, it's the return of Reasonable Scarlet Chorus Man! : Well we can sit and wait for Kyros' Edict to kill us, or we can do something. We have several options here. The Athletics option just has us smack him repeatedly while he grins like a shitlord. Verse gets all hot and bothered and Barik gets fearful. This leads us back to the top two options, where Bitter Quip forces us to order Antio to grovel. Really. However, as we have good subterfuge... : [Subterfuge 32] I suppose I'll have to tell the Voices of Nerat that his agents were soft and cowardly in the face of opposition. The Voices put him up to this, didn't he? : Just like that? The Disfavored warrior crumples his face in his palm. No, wait, I won't question it. Yes, thank you, thank you. : Yes, you had best be thanking me. And the Fatebinder. We've saved the Disfavored time and time again, what's one more?: Listen up, for this to work, my Furies need a moment to get out of cover. Fatebinder, you need to run up the east bridge. Don't get yourself killed, just draw their attention. I'll signal my Furies to send a rope across while you have them occupied.Of course we are ultimately cleaning up this mess, who did you think we were working with? : There's no time to waste, let's hope your gang delivers. Antio turns to you, nodding with a heavy frown. Thank you Fatebinder, and good hunting. TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
Yet again it keeps getting worse. I kept harping on how the Disfavored were set up to fail, and every time we think we've seen new heights of incompetence these morons keep showing we're nowhere near the bottom of the barrel. Antio really didn't need Nerat's help to fail. So far, our experienced military commander of "Kyros' elite iron legion" has: -Failed to recognize a feigned retreat after the fact and believed they were actually winning the battle until the river just "happened" to lurch up -Negated the numeric superiority provided by the Scarlet Chorus conscripts by throwing them all into a chokepoint where the Vendrien Guard could hold them off -Instead of learning from his mistakes wasted time bickering with Bitter Quip -Got most of his command killed -Tried to repeat the same idiotic plan again - after we told him it was Eb's trap - with the remaining troops and was barely talked out of it. It's funny, because I took the portraits for these two off the Tyranny wiki, which describes Antio as a frustrated Disfavored commander being sabotaged by Bitter Quip because Quip doesn't want to lose the Furies. It's technically true, but Quip is 100% right here. Maybe we should make Antio grovel. Alright, let's go.  The irony is not lost on me.  We send Barik out first to draw aggro. For some drat reason half the Vendrien Guard can teleport and this is usually bad for poor Lantry and Cleo. However, this time we have a 30% bullshit DPS bonus. These two guys go down quickly. On to the bridge!  These two guys are ready to greet us.  Or not.  The Vendrien Guard just pull up the drawbridge. Remember, Antio's plan was to just rush everyone onto the bridge and attack it again. Antio got most of his command killed or incapacitated with this plan. Antio is a moron.  : [Lore 32] Your heraldry, House Matani? Apologies that your river must be dirtied with this conflict.  : Your friends seem to have misplaced most of their squad, guess they're somewhere in my river? She shrugs sarcastically. My family's been protecting this river for six generations, so it's easy to lose track of all the looters and vagrants we've had to feed to the eels. : Let us across, and we will grant you mercy. : As amusing as I find this soon-to-be corpse, it would appear that our distraction has paid off. He nods off to the west.: Satisfied, she turns to leave, calling out to you as she does. I wouldn't keep standing there, Fatebinder. The river's currents are quite unpredictable.TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
Gee, thanks Barik. Way to point out our stealth ambush to the enemy.  Antio is both a fuckup AND a war criminal, good to know.  Now, the Quipster here seems almost competent. Just wait. : What is the plan now?: Plan now is to lower that bridge. My warriors can't swim in their armor. The lighter troops, he points squarely at you can move across the rope, then lower the bridge. We'll meet you on the other side.: Crossing by rope, are we? Barik clears his throat and shifts his weight awkwardly. In that case I might recommend that I go last.I just want to point out that Barik is able to make this crossing with no issues. Antio's heavy troops could cross by rope. We could have kept making dick jokes with Sybil to get the Disfavored across, but Antio is a fuckup and Bitter Quip is just giving him the rope.  TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
This is the counterweight to the Chorus' political abilities. Bitter Quip has so cleverly played the situation that his Furies alone are incapable of fighting the enemy and now Cleopatra has to step in and clean up this mess. Again.  We make it across the river, something Antio's heavy infantry could do, but considering Antio's general level of competence I'm not surprised he didn't think of this.  This starts a general melee with us and a few Scarlet Furies on one side and a stack of armored warriors and enemy Sage on the other.  The Sage casts this ice spell which makes everyone slip, but it doesn't save them from getting slaughtered.  The Furies decide they've gotten too badly beat up to continue. It's a funny thing about the Scarlet Chorus, they don't really train warriors fighting together because the entire structure runs on infighting, so when they run into coordinated, heavily armored opposition they tend to crumple unless the Blood Chanters are around.  These guys run off screaming about how the Vendrien Guard can't protect them.   You can't actually talk with the rebels, but you can scare one off with the middle option, so we do that.  The general strategy for these battles is the same throughout the game. Barik and/or Verse engage the enemy melee line and keep them taunted. Any mages in the area start cycling through their cooldowns to burst down the front line. Once the front line is dead focus fire mages and archers. Repeat until victory.  There's a crate near the drawbridge where we find some of the missing iron. This is the very same iron Graven Ashe was covering up.  Yes. I'm sure you will.   We push into the village.  There are small two-man patrols of Vendrien Guard who try to delay us while villagers run off screaming.  It doesn't work.  This is the reputation we have with the local population, and no one seems to connect this with people joining the rebellion. It's like how in World War I the Germans kept performing mass executions in Belgium and were legitimately shocked the Belgians continued to resist.  Another two-man patrol goes down.   We give this to Verse so at least someone is happy.  I would make fun of her, but the Vendrien Guard have been holding off both Archons. Even though the Archons are self-defeating idiots, the Guard still deserve a lot of credit. : Brave warriors of the Vendrien Guard, these foreigners and sellouts mean to burn our homes and butcher our families. Summon what strength you have and show Kyros the price of taking our land.Take a look at that sword.   Earlier in the game posted: I can't. I just can't. The companions all have personal quests later in the game. Barik's quest is about how badly his loyalty to Graven Ashe personally hosed him over while the whole time he screams about how great Ashe is and how he will never betray him. Now, the game does mention that bronze weapons are as good as early iron weapons, but Kyros is all about the symbolism of iron. The highest tier of currency is the iron ring, which is worth more than the bronze rings. If Kyros says iron is better, than it must be better. Darkness at Noon posted:A short time ago, our leading agriculturalist, B., was shot with thirty of his collaborators because he maintained the opinion that nitrate artificial manure was superior to potash. No. 1 is all for potash; therefore B. and the thirty had to be liquidated as saboteurs. it also doesn't hurt that the Disfavored weapons are forged by magical wizards.  The actual battle is the same as all the others.  It was kind of the enemy to all bunch up so they could be all stunned at once.  Let's go confront Sybil.   : I'm not here for slaughter. I'd prefer to talk.: Really? The trail of my dead friends says otherwise. What is there to say, Fatebinder? Unless it's 'sorry for all the murders' followed by a big swig of hemlock, it's too late for words to solve anything. Decisions Lie Before Us! We can kill everyone, fight Sybil but let the villagers go, or let everyone go. Our orders are to take the crossing and settlement. Interpret them as you will. TheGreatEvilKing fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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: I wanna be a winner! Let me in the Chorus, and I'll spill the beans! I like to WINNN!
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Leave the townsfolk. Someone's gonna have to do the scut work of farming after this is over.
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Sep 20, 2020 07:27
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...let everyone go. It's not our actual job to kill everyone, and if the Disfavored and the SC wanted them dead they should have handled this poo poo themselves  More seriously, having an in with the group fighting us might make negotiating surrenders easier, and it gives us an out if our "friendly" factions decide to go for our throat. All we have to do is hold Ascension Hall, nothing says we actually have to defeat the Vendrien Guard, or even fight them.
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Sep 20, 2020 07:31
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Fight Sybil, let the villagers live. Also god drat I completely missed that purple core.
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Sep 20, 2020 07:32
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I vote we let everyone go. We took the town. That was the job. Anything else is someone else's department.
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Im surprised you went for the crossing first.
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Ultimately, leaders like Sybil are going to be recurrent problems if left alive, given that they have the influence to incite rebellions among their former subjects, possibly even banding together with old allies and drawing on hidden family resources. This is why Genghis Khan usually killed off the local nobles when taking a place over, even if they surrendered without a fight. This being the case, it would be best to remove Sybil now. Let the villagers go, fight Sybil. I'm gonna disagree with your blanket assessment that the Scarlet Chorus and Disfavored are just wholly incompetent, just because right now they're killing each other and themselves with an idiotic pissing match (that was clearly fully intentional on Kyros' part). It's not hard to see what their strengths and weaknesses are, taken out of the context of the current conflict. The Disfavored are well-organized, well-trained, well-armed, have unimpeachable esprit de corps, and are all but impossible to truly kill. However, they're also staid, unimaginative, jingoistic, xenophobic, fairly classist, and their mid-level leadership is hampered by widespread nepotism. As for the Scarlet Chorus, they possess overwhelming numbers, versatility (due to having such a diverse array of "recruits"), and the best fighters and leaders naturally rise to the top (notice how, the higher up the chain of command you go in the Chorus, the more competent people get). On the other hand, they're anarchic, generally impatient, and there's a vast disparity in skill between the best and worst of their soldiers (human wave tactics can only take you so far). Were either of these groups here on their own, or with armies they were more synergistic with, it's unlikely the Tiersmen would have been able to resist as long as they have. The Chorus would have just razed the place to the ground, while the Disfavored would have gradually, but inevitably, ground all resistance to dust. But when one half of the army is rushing in and getting killed in droves just to bury the enemy in corpses while the other half is trying for a slow, methodical siege, there's going to be problems. Also, nobody has brought up how the dude whose penchant for subterfuge is literally supernatural was given command of the least subtle people on the continent. Almost as though someone was deliberately preventing Nerat from placing spies in any remotely organized or respectable institution by making his only underlings a bunch of murderous psychopaths and terrified peasants, and Nerat's such a sadistic egomaniac that he's having too much fun to notice.
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Our mistake last time was leaving the Scarlet Chorus in charge of the occupation. If we instead create a group of collaborationist nobles we control, we can tamp down the rebellion for good. We should let everyone live as the first step in that process.
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Sep 20, 2020 08:35
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Let em live
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TGEK: I hope you aren't done with scarlet chorus camp just yet.devildragon777 posted:All we have to do is hold Ascension Hall, nothing says we actually have to defeat the Vendrien Guard, or even fight them. Now that''s thinking with loopholes. Let them go Xarn fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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