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OwlFancier posted:You are not needed while the section of society you keep running is stopped by the government. But I think there is pretty compelling evidence that recreational service labour is something that a lot of people would like to have even if it is not strictly needed to stop them dying. I could agree with that.
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Dogatron posted:The furlough scheme. How the gently caress is this the fault of the people on furlough? You should experiment with not posting for six months and see if anyone notices
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Dogatron posted:Other poo poo he filled my head with stayed there a lot longer to my embarrassment when I attempted to buy the more expensive upstairs bus ticket. lmao, that's a top tier dad lie.
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Sep 20, 2020 22:30
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https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1307737799043567620 Owen Jones managing to make the PLP bristle has been a small ray of light on an otherwise poo poo week
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Dogatron posted:My point exactly. The people who had to go to work to keep society running did so. If I was furloughed I would question my contribution to society. Am I needed? Fortunately only tedious cunts define themselves or derive their worth by their job. For most people it is merely a practical necessity and they find meaning in more personal pursuits than making money for someone else.
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kyojin posted:How the gently caress is this the fault of the people on furlough? You should experiment with not posting for six months and see if anyone notices It's no their fault. But I can't help noticing that their contribution to society is gently caress all if nobody notices their lack of labour for six months. The government would be bringing down the full shock and awe tactics if people who did useful work decided to go on strike for six months.
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Sep 20, 2020 22:34
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forkboy84 posted:Fortunately only tedious cunts define themselves or derive their worth by their job. For most people it is merely a practical necessity and they find meaning in more personal pursuits than making money for someone else. That really depends on your job and who you work for. Please do not use the word oval office.
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StarkingBarfish posted:https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1307737799043567620 Says a lot that for these people “polite”=“good”.
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Dogatron posted:It's no their fault. But I can't help noticing that their contribution to society is gently caress all if nobody notices their lack of labour for six months. Again, though, people did notice, because of all the stuff that was closed, the reason it was closed is because people weren't going to work. You could apply this line of reasoning to literally everyone other than people who are directly involved in food and water provision. Society however is a somewhat more complex thing than that.
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Dogatron posted:That really depends on your job and who you work for. Asking a Scot not to say oval office is like asking someone from the American south to not say y'all or someone who went to a public school not to stick their penis in the mouth of a dead farm animal
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Dogatron posted:It's no their fault. But I can't help noticing that their contribution to society is gently caress all if nobody notices their lack of labour for six months.. Why should they be embarrassed? People do a job because they need to pay rent not because that's their sole ambition in life. Perhaps many of them would love to do something more meaningful but cannot afford the necessary qualifications. Perhaps the amount of essential work required to keep a society functioning is actually very small and most people could devote most of their time to leisure and recreation if it weren't for greedy cunts exploiting them. Nah it's probably the individual's own fault and they should be ashamed of the job they do Fake edit I'm not Scottish but greedy cunts are cunts sorry kyojin fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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Sep 20, 2020 22:47
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Dogatron posted:The furlough scheme. What's the actual point you're trying to make? "The world has not noticed" is an incredibly stupid concept you're assuming that productive labour value is coherent within the UK economy in TYOOL 2020, that the productive labour of any specific individual can 1. be measured and communicated by "the world" and 2, that the measurement will emerge and be accessible within 6 months. To use an obvious example when does the wider economic value of the productive labour of a pediatric social worker 'get noticed'? And "changed nothing in society" get hosed I haven't seen a play or been to a gig or been clubbing in 6 months gently caress off that it changed nothing it sucks it's reducing my pleasure if nothing else, and we're hitting an economic crisis that potentially could hit the working class, disproportionately the young, as hard as the 2008 crash did. We all hate the current economic system, it's dogshit, that doesn't mean peoples livelihoods don't depend on it or that the work the furloughed did is fake or whatever it is you're trying to imply. Make your actual point.
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Weird story, PM apparently in secret weekend trip to Italy last week. Downing Street have issued a vague denial. https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1307773779272179713
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forkboy84 posted:Asking a Scot not to say oval office is like asking someone from the American south to not say y'all or someone who went to a public school not to stick their penis in the mouth of a dead farm animal Take off your skirt and say that again, you absolute cock. I know this conversation has been done to death, but hen, make the loving effort.
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Dogatron posted:Take off your skirt and say that again, you absolute cock. gently caress off oval office
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Sep 20, 2020 22:57
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why can't forkboy wear a skirt if he wants to
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forkboy84 posted:Fortunately only tedious cunts define themselves or derive their worth by their job. For most people it is merely a practical necessity and they find meaning in more personal pursuits than making money for someone else. i worked for the nhs for five years and as a full time trade union steward for about a year and i enormously defined my self worth through how i applied myself in those roles. that's the danger with these absolute statements - even when i was working in the private sector i have almost always been extremely proud of my accomplishments and professionalism in my roles even if it was a practical necessity - i do not think that is an unusual statement to say?
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mehall posted:gently caress off oval office Do we need to call this an intervention? I'm detecting aggression here. What is making you angry? Is it because you think I am a vagina? I'm trying to help. Tell me how you are feeling and what is making you angry.
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how about we focus our vitriol where it matters, like at this absolute catastrofuck of messaging: https://twitter.com/leftist_agenda/status/1307760939392028673
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StarkingBarfish posted:how about we focus our vitriol where it matters, like at this absolute catastrofuck of messaging: I mean that's not a covid measure, that's an ideological budget issue. So they don't have to support that.
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Dogatron posted:Take off your skirt and say that again, you absolute cock. Sniff my fuckin ring and gently caress off, oval office
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CoolCab posted:i worked for the nhs for five years and as a full time trade union steward for about a year and i enormously defined my self worth through how i applied myself in those roles. that's the danger with these absolute statements - even when i was working in the private sector i have almost always been extremely proud of my accomplishments and professionalism in my roles even if it was a practical necessity - i do not think that is an unusual statement to say? Besides, I'm quite sure plenty people would find me tedious, poo poo is in the eye of the beholder. I've never had a job that was anything other than a miserable necessity so that absolutely colours my view on the topic.
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CoolCab posted:i worked for the nhs for five years and as a full time trade union steward for about a year and i enormously defined my self worth through how i applied myself in those roles. that's the danger with these absolute statements - even when i was working in the private sector i have almost always been extremely proud of my accomplishments and professionalism in my roles even if it was a practical necessity - i do not think that is an unusual statement to say? Proud of ya. I carried a trade union banner and was a rep for a few years.
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CoolCab posted:i worked for the nhs for five years and as a full time trade union steward for about a year and i enormously defined my self worth through how i applied myself in those roles. that's the danger with these absolute statements - even when i was working in the private sector i have almost always been extremely proud of my accomplishments and professionalism in my roles even if it was a practical necessity - i do not think that is an unusual statement to say? Yeah saying that taking any satisfaction or enjoyment from your employment makes you a traitor to the working class is pretty hosed. Like if you are proud of some extremely efficient extraordinary renditions that is one thing but everyone of us is working in a machine that is grinding us to dust, we are all trapped together so taking a holier than thou attitude because you hate your job is a dick move.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I mean that's not a covid measure, that's an ideological budget issue. So they don't have to support that. They don't have to, no. If they didn't have a choice they'd not be able to gently caress it up.
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Dogatron posted:Take off your skirt and say that again, you absolute cock. Unless we've got Have An Actual Scrap technology built into the SA forums I'd say arguing for your dumb positions is better posting than literally just calling forums user forkboy84 a girl?
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Pretty sure starmer would support that anyway.
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CancerCakes posted:Yeah saying that taking any satisfaction or enjoyment from your employment makes you a traitor to the working class is pretty hosed Ruddy good job then that's not what anyone said.
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Dogatron posted:Take off your skirt and say that again, you absolute cock.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Sniff my fuckin ring and gently caress off, oval office I'm detecting some hostility here. Can you tell me what the problem is. I'm sure if we can talk to each other in a calm rational way we will be friends.
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Kernel Monsoon posted:
Lmao this is amazing and I’m releasing it into the wild via twitter for the greater good, tia E: ^^ no, gently caress off oval office
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Pilchenstein posted:This is well cunty tbh Yeah, you are right, and I can only say sorry. Should not have typed those words.
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Dogatron posted:I'm detecting some hostility here. From my end the problem was you were making some quite maximalist sociopolitical arguments and despite being in a discussion forum weren't addressing the responses to them. You have posted some other wierd poo poo since then though tbh.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:
I'm trying to be reasonable here. I hate confrontation. Could you explain the problem you have with the words I typed on my computer?
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Like I agree that a lot of work isn't strictly necessary and we absolutely could find ways to save a lot of labour but I don't think people who do unnecessary work because the market has decided that it is necessary enough to pay them for doing it and if they don't do it they will starve, should feel bad about that, or that people should be ashmed for being on furlough, and the entire reason I think labour should be saved is so that more people can spend more time doing poo poo that isn't strictly necessary. Doing unnecessary things is the point of being alive. And throwing shade at people for being in that position is going to annoy them? Also I don't get what the deal is with the weird conflict resolution speak.
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Dogatron posted:There are all sort of studies about facecoverings you could find either for or against. I just keep trying to go back to this point and figure out what the hell your actual point is so I can try to engage with it. are you saying middle class people should not be concerned about safety? are you saying working class people are not taking precautions against coronavirus or that their exposure to risk means everyone else should be exposed or not care or? what are your proposals or opinions about what needs to happen or does not need to happen or? i just, i don't understand. who is benefiting in the commensal. does there being ≥1 study for and ≥1 study against facemasks mean it's fine to not wear one. what are the implications if we apply this to all of science, have you thought that through. commensal? i looked up what that word means and a fair few people are not in fact doing either of "gaining benefits" or "neither benefit nor are harmed" as a result of the coronavirus. what is this post. what are its secrets. what is it trying to tell us.
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Vitamin P posted:Unless we've got Have An Actual Scrap technology built into the SA forums I'd say arguing for your dumb positions is better posting than literally just calling forums user forkboy84 a girl? I think Dogatron was making the evergreen "kilts are skirts" joke.
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