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uh wasn't it like 10% or something, less than Clinton->McCain voters? e: the commonality for the Sanders->Trump voters wasn't ideology but reaction against the system/status quo. putting their trust in a rapist billionaire con artist wasn't too smart though.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Depressingly, a lot of people do not vote on platforms, or beliefs. They vote for the person they like the most. Trump and Sanders had nearly zero platform overlap, yet there were a significant portion of the electorate that voted for Sanders in the primary and Trump in the general. Undecided voters are essentially people who do not really care that much about substance. It was less than 10% of Bernie primary voters, I don't that that qualifies as a significant portion of the electorate.
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Neo_Crimson posted:It was less than 10% of Bernie primary voters, I don't that that qualifies as a significant portion of the electorate. Sure, but from what I can find in six seconds of Googling, Bernie got 570,000 votes in the Democratic primary, 10% of which would be 57,000, in a state Trump ultimately won by 23k votes. I also don't think it's necessarily true that the Bernie-to-Trump voters actually made that difference, but given how slim Trump's victories actually were in the states that tipped the EC to him, I can't fully discount it.
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Sarcastro posted:Sure, but from what I can find in six seconds of Googling, Bernie got 570,000 votes in the Democratic primary, 10% of which would be 57,000, in a state Trump ultimately won by 23k votes. I also don't think it's necessarily true that the Bernie-to-Trump voters actually made that difference, but given how slim Trump's victories actually were in the states that tipped the EC to him, I can't fully discount it. Not to be disingenuous, but I mean . . . this IS the Illinois thread, so we're no stranger to open primaries. I'm sure there were some dyed-in-the-wool Trump voters that took a Dem ballot just so they could say they voted against Hillary twice or whatever. I have no idea how significant these numbers would be, and I suspect they're immaterial, but still . . . it does make me wonder sometimes. Fake edit: I'm not sure what state you are referring to, and I have no idea if their primaries are open. Just spitballing.
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I was talking with my mom today, and the tax amendment came up. She is normally pretty level headed, but I think the ad blitz had got to her as well. She was sounding like she was against the amendment, because “the politicians won’t have any accountability when they raise taxes”. And that with the Covid, they are going to need to raise taxes. I had to mention that they can raise the taxes now, it’s just that they have no option but to hit everyone. If this passes, they at least have the option of only hitting the top earners. I have no idea if I actually got through to her, but since I was driving at the time. But I have to think the anti-amendment ads are doing a really good job on branding. And it is going to have a hard time passing.
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Neo_Crimson posted:It was less than 10% of Bernie primary voters, I don't that that qualifies as a significant portion of the electorate. That’s still a lot of people who voted for two candidates who were running on completely opposite platforms. I guess I should have added in all the Obama to Trump voters, or people in 2008 who went from Clinton to Romney.
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Zarin posted:Fake edit: I'm not sure what state you are referring to, and I have no idea if their primaries are open. Just spitballing. I was referring to Wisconsin, which for some reason I'd thought had entered the conversation already. Not sure where I got that from, looking back. I guess the only point is that the 10% figure chosen would have made the difference in Wisconsin. I didn't do the same math for the other two states that ended up mattering. Sarcastro fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Sep 16, 2020 |
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Sep 16, 2020 01:45
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I had to explain how progressive taxes work to my dad the other day. He doesn't even pay any state income taxes.
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Sep 16, 2020 06:56
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Neo_Crimson posted:It was less than 10% of Bernie primary voters, I don't that that qualifies as a significant portion of the electorate. i dont think blender is trying to blame bernie voters as much as hes trying to highlight that undecided and kind of "outside the main lane" voters are significantly devoid of any substance, plenty of people were all in on bernie and not even remotely leftists, then went full maga immediately after. honestly if someone tells you "i dont vote for groups of people i vote on an individual basis" its a giant warning sign because they dont want to tell you what they actually think. none of this means that bernie is evil and people who like or voted bernie are satan by and large, which i think people want to reflexively defend against because of the dog poo poo media smearing of bernie over the last 5 years. people falling into the bubble that blender is mentioning arent socialists. plenty of these turds will say theyre undecided and then consistently vote for the most disgusting candidates every time, outside of a few aberrations(bernie in a primary)
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Sep 17, 2020 16:21
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And most of those people supported Tulsi, but Bernie's supposed to be responsible for them.
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Sep 17, 2020 20:56
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I don't know how common it was in March but in mid 2019 there were a bunch of polls where Bernie voters said their second choice was Biden (and vice versa). Most voters don't have a consistent ideology, and knowing who you're gonna vote for a year before the election happens is super uncommon for most people
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In 2016 I was working at the postal plant in Champaign, and a lot of time I was on the dock so I got to talk to truck drivers. SO MANY of them said they were voting for Bernie, and then if he lost they were voting for Trump. People know that poo poo sucks, and they will vote for the person they think will shake it up.
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Sep 18, 2020 01:01
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I can't watch a YouTube video without getting a Fair Tax ad.
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Sep 18, 2020 21:47
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All of my YouTube ads are for blinds and Trump. I’ve already checked my Adsense. It’s infuriating
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Sep 18, 2020 21:50
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Does Foxx have a chance of losing? Seeing buzz about some new poll but guessing it's just a garbage right-wing story.
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esto es malo posted:i dont think blender is trying to blame bernie voters as much as hes trying to highlight that undecided and kind of "outside the main lane" voters are significantly devoid of any substance, plenty of people were all in on bernie and not even remotely leftists, then went full maga immediately after. honestly if someone tells you "i dont vote for groups of people i vote on an individual basis" its a giant warning sign because they dont want to tell you what they actually think. Yes, I didn't mean to say this was unique to Bernie supporters. Just that there are plenty of people out there who absolutely do not care about platforms, or alternatively, are completely ignorant of the platforms that candidates are running on. It's also like people in 08 who wanted Hillary, but then voted for Romney over Obama in the general.
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Niwrad posted:Does Foxx have a chance of losing? Seeing buzz about some new poll but guessing it's just a garbage right-wing story. If she was going to lose it would have been in the primary
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Bird in a Blender posted:Yes, I didn't mean to say this was unique to Bernie supporters. Just that there are plenty of people out there who absolutely do not care about platforms, or alternatively, are completely ignorant of the platforms that candidates are running on. It's also like people in 08 who wanted Hillary, but then voted for Romney over Obama in the general. I'm not gonna say that this person definitely with 100% certainty doesn't exist, but I would be very surprised if they did.
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Sep 19, 2020 00:34
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Oops, how quickly I forget McCain. But I did find out that some people did vote for Romney in 12 and Clinton in 16.
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Sep 19, 2020 02:57
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I know of several people who voted for Bernie in the primaries and then voted for Trump in the general. They have went two ways: 1) Holy poo poo, what did I do? Trump is loving insane. I am voting for Biden. 2) I could not be wrong about my vote because it is now part of my identity. DOUBLE DOWN ON THAT poo poo!!! Hell, one of them voted for Bernie and then Trump in 2016. This year, he was all about Andrew Yang but is now fully back on the Trump train.
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Sep 19, 2020 03:29
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Hell, one of them voted for Bernie and then Trump in 2016. This year, he was all about Andrew Yang but is now fully back on the Trump train. I feel like this guy is just in it for the memes
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Hell, one of them voted for Bernie and then Trump in 2016. This year, he was all about Andrew Yang but is now fully back on the Trump train. Does your friend post on 4chan?
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Sep 19, 2020 06:33
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I do believe that there are some people who only care about “going against the system”. In their minds; Sanders, Yang and Trump are all the same because they all want to “change the system”. Actually policy be damned.
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That would make sense, because I know of at least a few people who opposed voting for Sanders for exactly the same reason: "He's too much like Trump." A lot of people are just really detached and kinda dumb.
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Badger of Basra posted:I feel like this guy is just in it for the memes yes this is the way they describe their south park curated veil of racism
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:I do believe that there are some people who only care about “going against the system”. In their minds; Sanders, Yang and Trump are all the same because they all want to “change the system”. Actually policy be damned. This. So much this. The 'Burn it all down' voter.
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I wanna burn it all down if that involves working on systemic racism, the climate, and universal healthcare. I guess Obama tried but we failed him by putting chuds in both houses.
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xzzy posted:I wanna burn it all down if that involves working on systemic racism, the climate, and universal healthcare. For Trump voters, it doesn't involve improving or building anything. Its dog in the manger 'if I can't have it noone can.'
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I wonder who this is. I wish it was Darren Bailey but I am guessing that he does not speak with Democratic GA members, especially ones from the Chicago area. Also, it would probably help him win his Senate race. 
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Sep 21, 2020 02:55
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How dare you besmirch the good name of Darren Bailey.
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Nash posted:How dare you besmirch the good name of Darren Bailey. No other man can use his tactical vest to “save the people”. He is working hard as he gets ready to run for Governor in 2022. Hell, he ran up to Chicago the other day to speak at a “Let Them Play” rally and he promoted it by talking about these young people will be able to vote in a few years to get rid of Pritzker (unless they are dead before that from viral infection).
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Sep 21, 2020 03:24
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Around here we speak of him in hushed tones of reverence. We chant his prayer. “He can’t be a jackass. I know him”
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:I wonder who this is. I wish it was Darren Bailey but I am guessing that he does not speak with Democratic GA members, especially ones from the Chicago area. Also, it would probably help him win his Senate race. quote:GRANT: Well, I think he’s afraid to come into the district actually, into the heart of the district anyhow.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:58
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Area man wants to treat people with respect and help them out, gets branded as lunatic.
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Sep 21, 2020 20:20
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Niwrad posted:I can't watch a YouTube video without getting a Fair Tax ad. But there are at least 3 different versions of it, its so catchy! Seriously gently caress that unskippable 6 second one that load as hell compared to your video volume. Had a weekend were that was the only add i saw for 90% of my youtube viewing.
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Sep 21, 2020 22:23
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A worthy sacrifice if it means doing something positive in this state. For once.
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Sep 21, 2020 22:54
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xzzy posted:A worthy sacrifice if it means doing something positive in this state. For once. Amen.
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I'm expected to go to a wedding in Wisconsin at the end of October and I just learned today that they have the highest COVID positivity rate of any state in the nation at 16.99%.  Yeah... no. Also, I had an 81-year-old aunt in Wisconsin who died of COVID two Saturdays ago. poo poo's gettin' real. (I wasn't close to her, hadn't seen her in almost 10 years.)
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I'm fretting about going up that way to see fall color in a week or two. I mean I'd be in a national forest with car camping and probably see no one at all, but the cost for being wrong is stupid high. gently caress the plague.
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