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El Padrino posted:I'm pretty sure that's why they decided to remove that part of the story, so the Boys have to get creative when engaging with the supes, and the show is all the better for it. Yup, it's an excellent choice. I'm on board with pretty much all the changes that I've noticed.
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Sep 21, 2020 18:03
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Collateral posted:Yeah but the Punisher isn't shown as being recruited and trained* after his family gets killed. he was always a violent dick, Mallory 'turned him into a weapon' by giving him the tools to be a violent trained spy dick. I like that butcher was always a bit like that. Normal non-violent people dont suddenly turn on a dime after one traumatic event, or rather Hughie is a more accurate version of someone who has that particular arc. It's fundamental to Butchers character and charm that he enjoys what he does. someone mentioned the short so here it is if anyone hasnt seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75pAMx_LBK8 I mean it doesent add much so I see why it wasnt in S2, thoguh I was wondering what his relationship to alcohol was like since in the comics he doesent drink (since he knows it makes him a more violent oval office than usual) but in S2 he did. massive spider fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Sep 21, 2020 |
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Sep 21, 2020 18:04
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Azhais posted:Homelander let Butcher live because Becca asked him to (presumably so he'd get some HL Jr access). HL didn't kill Butcher because Becca threatened to kill herself in front of Ryan and tell Ryan "this is your dad's fault" and HL could sense that she wasn't lying. She says these words out loud to Butcher when they're together. massive spider posted:he was always a violent dick, Mallory 'turned him into a weapon' by giving him the tools to be a violent trained spy dick. Butcher's Aunt Judy tells Hughie a story about how when Butcher was in grade school he almost killed a kid during a playground fight. Butcher has always been a violent abusive bully.
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Sep 21, 2020 18:24
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I don't know if it's a plot hole really, but in season 1 the boys were certain that Translucient's corpse would be found. And sure enough the deep just happened to find it? Out of the entire ocean? Also, Homelander flying back and forth all over the city was somehow going to find it too? I just found it odd that supes are not only super, but somehow able to find one specific rotting corpse?
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Sep 21, 2020 18:25
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the deep saw it on fishbook
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Sep 21, 2020 18:28
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They're chipped and I guess the bomb didn't disable his?
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Sep 21, 2020 18:28
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spacetoaster posted:I don't know if it's a plot hole really, but in season 1 the boys were certain that Translucient's corpse would be found. I think they assumed that Vought would never stop looking and they didn't have the ability to make it impossible to find.
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Sep 21, 2020 18:31
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Aphrodite posted:They're chipped and I guess the bomb didn't disable his? Yeah. It's just weird that a bunch of badass killers like Frenchie/Butcher wouldn't just dig out the chip and feed the meat to some stray dogs or something. I guess the writers needed the seven to find the corpse so they'd know that somebody was killing supes.
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Sep 21, 2020 18:31
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MM mentioned supes being chipped when starlight wanted to go with them to check out the house with the sister of the guy liberty killed.
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Sep 21, 2020 18:31
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massive spider posted:someone mentioned the short so here it is if anyone hasnt seen it His ringtone for Frenchie being Frère Jacques is kinda cute
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Sep 21, 2020 18:32
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Romes128 posted:More like the second one. he told homelander that if homelander was one of his dogs he would have killed it. as for Noir being Edgars lapdog, they all are. up until recently even HL mostly listened to what vought was telling them to do. everything started falling apart once HL started doing the poo poo with atrain and sending v everywhere.
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Sep 21, 2020 18:38
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Frenchie said he disabled the chip before they put the body in the box The Deep was just doing some underwater whoring and heard some rumors of a new smell box in the bay
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Sep 21, 2020 18:39
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he can literally tell all the animals to spread the word. a school of fish numbering in the millions could look around the east coast pretty thoroughly in a few days probably. if we are to believe that all sea life is semi sentient like the lobsters
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Sep 21, 2020 18:44
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spacetoaster posted:Yeah. Butcher specifically said this. moist turtleneck posted:Frenchie said he disabled the chip before they put the body in the box Right. It was also in a zinc lined box so that explains Homelander couldn't see through it and find it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIxeiie2cuQ CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Sep 21, 2020 |
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Sep 21, 2020 18:46
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Episode 6 teaser is out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwAyQmZCaQQ
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Sep 21, 2020 18:47
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The Boys Season 2: Full of plotholes(or just things I don't remember)!
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Sep 21, 2020 18:49
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El Padrino posted:I'm pretty sure that's why they decided to remove that part of the story, so the Boys have to get creative when engaging with the supes, and the show is all the better for it. I still think Butcher's going to eventually juice Hughie up against his will.
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Sep 21, 2020 18:51
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They dose butcher with v and he can't be the thing he hates so he rips his own head off his body like that one robocop prototype
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Sep 21, 2020 18:55
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spacetoaster posted:Yeah. Also Translucent's skin was literally diamond hard. A .50 cal anti-material round fired at point-blank range bounced of him. Oh, after the fact. Yeah, Butcher just wanted to send Vought and Homelander a message. MizPiz fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Sep 21, 2020 |
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Sep 21, 2020 18:58
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PneumonicBook posted:Stormfront and Homelander loving is a pretty strong metaphor to how willing America is to embrace Nazi idealism in order to feel warm and fuzzy and safe. wrestling with, then embracing, fascism as the office falls around them is striking visual metaphor.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:04
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MizPiz posted:Also Translucent's skin was literally diamond hard. A .50 cal anti-material round fired at point-blank range bounced of him. Just gotta, y'know... scrape it out. Like the last peanut butter in the jar
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Sep 21, 2020 19:06
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MizPiz posted:Also Translucent's skin was literally diamond hard. A .50 cal anti-material round fired at point-blank range bounced of him. That's correct, but I'm still kinda surprised that HL could eventually find it. I'm a dummy who has trouble with those "where's Waldo" drawings. I can't imagine HL being able to find something as small as a smushed up body in an entire city. Even with xray vision. BUT, as we've all agreed on, they wanted the body found so it's just an interesting thing to discuss.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:11
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Of all the dumb bullshit in the comics, the decision to make The Boys physically superior to 99% of all supers is the most absolutely insane one, even beyond the normal Ennis grossout stuff. It completely and totally undercuts all tension in every single fight or confrontation that doesn't involve Homelander for the entire comics run. It's loving bizarre. They're not really superior, though. Most of the superteams in the comics could cream the Boys... if they knew how to properly use their powers and coordinate tactically. But they don't, they just throw themselves into comic-style big brawls. They expect to win, at worst they don't expect to get killed or really hurt, because normally they only "fight" in publicity stunts where the heroes always win. Put into a real fight against actual soldiers they get wiped.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:12
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spacetoaster posted:That's correct, but I'm still kinda surprised that HL could eventually find it.  The Deep found it. I literally linked the scene.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:13
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Jedit posted:They're not really superior, though. Most of the superteams in the comics could cream the Boys... if they knew how to properly use their powers and coordinate tactically. But they don't, they just throw themselves into comic-style big brawls. They expect to win, at worst they don't expect to get killed or really hurt, because normally they only "fight" in publicity stunts where the heroes always win. Put into a real fight against actual soldiers they get wiped. Well most of it is due to how the Supes are drug addled narcissistic wrecks. Also a tremendous amount of arrogance due to their power like how Translucent getting captured was pretty much due to how he was arrogant and over-confidence in the fight with Butcher which made him put his guard down at a critical moment.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:16
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I haven't re-watched Season 1 so can someone please remind me -- To what extent do the supes go out and "fight crime" versus do promotional stunts and star in media franchises?
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Sep 21, 2020 19:17
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:
I worded that wrong. That they believed that HL could find it.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:18
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I think the 7 only does publicity stunts at this point And the deep in ohio only did waterpark openings because they didn't have any crimes that needed a super hero Starlight would listen to the police scanner to try to snipe leads before she got in the 7
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Sep 21, 2020 19:21
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unlimited shrimp posted:I haven't re-watched Season 1 so can someone please remind me -- Almost none of the former. The opening of S1E1 where Maeve stops the getaway truck, the episode where HL and Maeve handle an active shooter, and the plane hijacking are the only things I remember that are "approved" crime fighting activities. I guess you could also count HL going overseas and taking out the warehouse full of people making drugs (was that supposed to be knockoff Compound V?). In season 1 they explicitly go out of their way to show that when Starlight beats up rapists it's bad for her publicity and Ashley yells at Starlight for it. Eventually the woman who was the assault victim comes out in favor of Starlight's actions so it all ends up OK but then that's when Vought forces Starlight to wear her new "empowered woman" outfit instead of her original one. In the most recent episode about HL's war crime Ashley says to him "This is why I wish you had cleared this with me before you went over there". Everything the 7 do has to be pre-approved by the marketing department and rehearsed beforehand so make sure nobody loses any points or whatever. For the most part it's all performative.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:32
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BIG HEADLINE posted:You mean kind of like *Homelander* with Stillwell? I thought Homelander didn't know he had a son? I don't think he 'kept Becca alive' out of any twisted desire to torture her. And despite HL Jr being a child of rape she does want to take care of him, or at least keep him safe/stop him becoming a monster. That's why she turns down the chance to escape with Butcher. Killing herself in front of her son wasn't her idea of "ultimate revenge", it was the only thing she could think of to make sure he didn't end up falling in with his dad. Asgerd posted:I feel like Becca has more leverage than she's being given credit for, at least with Vought, since she's the only person with any control over Ryan - they can't really risk killing her or take her away from him, simply because of the high chance of driving the second most powerful being on the planet into a vengeful rampage (or at least giving him a massive grudge) and the only one who could conceivably stop him is Homelander, who is borderline-uncontrollable at the best of times and completely unreliable as a failsafe. I'd be very surprised if her house isn't rigged with massive amounts of explosive or even a nuke. It's basically the same deal as when they were raising Homelander, just with a thin veneer of normality this time.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:41
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unlimited shrimp posted:I haven't re-watched Season 1 so can someone please remind me -- Off the top of my head, BN kills the suicide bomber supe. Homelander kills the one airbending supe (although they don't really explain this too well). They're also dispatched to track down and kill Kimiko's brother, who is there to commit an act of terrorism. As we saw during that fight, the Seven don't really care about minimizing damage to the civilians.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:44
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I feel like Vought trying to keep Ryan and the super kid on the DL is really two parts tied to Edgar's speech about what the company really is, a pharma company. 1) It's bad PR to have your most prominent hero outed as a rapist while also learning the company forced this rape victim to be functionally locked up, then on top of that being forced to relive her trauma because they have no effective check on HL. It really destroys all the work they did in getting that military contract if you suddenly find out the "hero" is actually a monster the big company you signed on with can't manage. It makes everything the AOC stand in has been saying even more obviously true and Vought doesn't want to lose that dynamic (we control the only thing that can save you, well if you can't then umm). On top of that good luck selling a movie franchise with HL at the forefront anymore. 2) It would be really bad for the pharma business if folks knew there was a chance you could have a super kid by loving a super. V is out in the open, but at least on some level if you're the only place that makes it and you survive the open PR hit, you now have the market by the balls. If it gets out "oh yeah you don't have to buy our super juice, just go find you a super baby daddy" it really undercuts how they can sell and market V once they're able to. Imagine the dudes that would stop being a "super hero" to become "supes gigollo on the 1 800 number, get your appointment today" and how badly that would again undermine the Vought business model. Or alternatively the foreign governments that would offer defection options to supers to breed kids for their own supes weapons program. It's REALLY bad for business and the global power dynamic that keeps the money flowing if it comes out that you can keep this thing going without the V. (A-Train knows better than to gently caress with the money, which is really the core of the threat that Butcher made imo). I will also second third whatever that The Deep just taking the "gently caress yeah" from Maeve to his question was just comedy gold. He suddenly has enough self-realization to even ask the question, but still doesn't get how it's an issue. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Sep 21, 2020 |
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Sep 21, 2020 19:46
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Ironically enough The Deep is doing actual heroics WRT liberating his fish friends if you believe the show's take that they have consciousness and a rich inner life, and as much as his sex creeping his gently caress up of the seaworld sponsorship got Vought to exile him to Decatur or whatever.
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Sep 21, 2020 20:27
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spacetoaster posted:Episode 6 teaser is out: Look like one of the shot down theories from a couple days ago was right after all, footage from a cell phone on the botched plane rescue at 0:22
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Sep 21, 2020 20:37
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As Nero Danced posted:Look like one of the shot down theories from a couple days ago was right after all, footage from a cell phone on the botched plane rescue at 0:22 Oh wow. Good catch. THAT is going to gently caress up his public image. 
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Sep 21, 2020 20:41
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Poor Maeve getting owned over and over again
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Sep 21, 2020 20:44
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I do love how the plane incident proves Homelander is definitely dumber than Superman, because Superman could've lasered the engines off and just *carried* the plane to safety. That does pose another question - how much can Homelander bench? (and yes, I'm aware the primary reason he let everyone die was because they knew he hosed up)
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Sep 21, 2020 20:44
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I do love how the plane incident proves Homelander is definitely dumber than Superman, because Superman could've lasered the engines off and just *carried* the plane to safety. That does pose another question - how much can Homelander bench? Watch the scene again. They discuss this. Where exactly could he apply enough force on the plane that could sustain the weight of being lifted?
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Sep 21, 2020 20:46
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I wonder if Supe babies can be delivered like normal, or if Ryan was ready to force his way out in a month and the only thing that kept Becca alive was Vought an emergency C section by Vought medicine.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I do love how the plane incident proves Homelander is definitely dumber than Superman, because Superman could've lasered the engines off and just *carried* the plane to safety. That does pose another question - how much can Homelander bench? He could have also ferried people down to the water several times and, if he's as fast as he was saving butcher and baby from that explosion, everyone could have been saved before the plane crashed. But, again, I think the writers wanted to show all of us how lovely and vain he actually is.
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