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just unironically living out the conservative fever dream of commies wanting to force everyone to eat gruel
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THS posted:i think its mean to kill the nice moo moos
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I'm not talking post revolution here, we need to move production inside no matter what happens. We'll probably have to build and develop these systems ourselves, trusting a capitalist to make anything but a profit is foolish. Whole bunch of communists ignoring the means of production for food here. What's the commonly accepted minimum for climate change now, 3.5? That's less land, no more fossil fertilizers, no gas trucks, diesel tractors, or wasteful watering. We've got a very tight deadline on food production here, and if we haven't had years of working out the kinks in vertical aquaphonics there won't be anything to switch to.
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Wheeee posted:veganism is an empty liberal ideology that comes in the form of an eating disorder this is a pretty weird take also to whoewver suggest we have to start eating bugs and worms: gently caress you I'm not eating bugs
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Wheeee posted:just unironically living out the conservative fever dream of commies wanting to force everyone to eat gruel Decadent pig dogs will eat vrgan gruel and return to the trillions of miles of rail track that's gonna be built in MY america. Lentils are the one true food of the proletariat
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indigi posted:this is a pretty weird take i will eat the bugs as long as they taste good and are seasoned well
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Wheeee posted:there are plenty of decent logistical arguments in favor of people adopting a more plant-focused diet, but veganism is an empty liberal ideology that comes in the form of an eating disorder and is only possible on the scale it presently enjoys due to energy-intensive modern transport and farming technology I think making everyone vegan is unrealistic but I’ve met far more people mad about vegans than I have annoying vegans and this kind of rhetoric baffles me tbh.
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indigi posted:this is a pretty weird take Indiginous people have been eating them for millenia. I'm not asking you to eat a live crockroach here, it's all cooked and spiced deliciously. Good protein, can be fed scraps and spare dead biomatter, and the end result is another revolution on the biological cycle.
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indigi posted:this is a pretty weird take ever eat a fig? no reason, heh... 
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I will NEVER eat a bug! this includes worms spiders and bats
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that being said none of the green freaks are going to be happy in the brutalist communist future that all plants are genetically modified to be as hyper-efficient for food production with as little waste as possible. we aren't really going to have much of a choice when the amount of arable land is cut in half and whats left is being bombarded with natural disasters.
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Lightning Knight posted:I think making everyone vegan is unrealistic but I’ve met far more people mad about vegans than I have annoying vegans and this kind of rhetoric baffles me tbh. veganism predisposes people to becoming trots and as such the best course of action is to preemptively purge those who don't eat the people's meat on the annual holiday.
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Benagain posted:veganism predisposes people to becoming trots and as such the best course of action is to preemptively purge those who don't eat the people's meat on the annual holiday.  anyway imo nature preserves, animal welfare and not destroying the environment are good, respect nature > : (
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Benagain posted:veganism predisposes people to becoming trots and as such the best course of action is to preemptively purge those who don't eat the people's meat on the annual holiday. veganism trots the mind?
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trot recruitment propaganda: eat your veggies
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Lady Militant posted:that being said none of the green freaks are going to be happy in the brutalist communist future that all plants are genetically modified to be as hyper-efficient for food production with as little waste as possible. we aren't really going to have much of a choice when the amount of arable land is cut in half and whats left is being bombarded with natural disasters. GMO carrots that double as vibrators Livin the Dream
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i have no issue eating all vegetables and maybe bugs/fish or whatever. vat grown meat would be cool i guess. but i know some people, whole families, who will not eat anything green. i'm talking literal years of fried chicken, steak, etc with nothing but bread and potatoes to break up the monotony. i knew a guy who accidentally got lettuce on his burger once and threw the whole thing on the ground. i'm not making any sweeping judgements about anyone here, i just personally know quite a few people who are absolute psychos about their food. a coworker of mine is in distress because she's trying to get her son to eat carrots and peas and her husband refuses to set an example for him and calls vegetables "girl food." death cult poo poo
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Serf posted:i have no issue eating all vegetables and maybe bugs/fish or whatever. vat grown meat would be cool i guess. but i know some people, whole families, who will not eat anything green. i'm talking literal years of fried chicken, steak, etc with nothing but bread and potatoes to break up the monotony. i knew a guy who accidentally got lettuce on his burger once and threw the whole thing on the ground. i'm not making any sweeping judgements about anyone here, i just personally know quite a few people who are absolute psychos about their food. a coworker of mine is in distress because she's trying to get her son to eat carrots and peas and her husband refuses to set an example for him and calls vegetables "girl food." death cult poo poo the simple solution to this is the radical bioengineering suggested in comrade suess's book "green eggs and ham"
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in the past i have also shared the hot take that veganism is an eating disorder, specifically orthorexia: compulsive thoughts about the impurity of foods. this was exactly as emptily self-satisfying as when people share the hot take that everyone should be vegan. what you think other people should and shouldn't do is loser talk. opinions are like ships in a bottle, it's natural to be pleased by crafting a good one and sharing it, but it will accomplish nothing beyond that pleasure, whether social or solitary.
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Thai, Indian, and Ital meals that were created from the ground up to be vegetarian are delicious and filling. If you're eating a meal like hamburgers and fries or steak and mashed potatoes of course it's going to be awful if you just remove the meat. Good vegetarian meals are a genuine gourmet joy in themselves. It doesn't have to be some miserable austere existence where you're constantly mourning the absence of meat. Granted the people Serf mentioned are probably beyond reaching.
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There are traditional cuisines which incorporate meat as well. That's the other thing I've seen play out in real life: a settler organizer telling an indigenous one that they would be vegan if they really cared about the environment.
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It doesn't matter how long you've lived somewhere, farming meat means less calories for the effort you've put in. The real big dick solution to all this is human photosynthesis.
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indigi posted:this is a pretty weird take The entire last couple of pages on veganism were weird. You can't accomplish the goals of veganism without the abolishment of capitalism. From my interaction with other vegans i've learned there are a lot plant based liberals who consider themselves vegan but actually aren't. It's just like there are a lot of libs who consider themselves to be socialists.
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Doc Hawkins posted:in the past i have also shared the hot take that veganism is an eating disorder, specifically orthorexia: compulsive thoughts about the impurity of foods. this was exactly as emptily self-satisfying as when people share the hot take that everyone should be vegan. How about a game of "a quote for a quote"? I'll quote a post where I asked you a question that you didn't respond to. Can you quote a post where anyone in this thread shares "the hot take that everyone should be vegan"? PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:Does "wait until after the revolution to worry about it" extend to all individual choices that we can make to help the environment? I'll stop rolling coal after the revolution? Let's wait to hear what my soviet has to say about running my house's raw sewage into the river?
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:Does "wait until after the revolution to worry about it" extend to all individual choices that we can make to help the environment? I'll stop rolling coal after the revolution? Let's wait to hear what my soviet has to say about running my house's raw sewage into the river? Yes. Unironically. There are very few choices you can actually make at a personal level that have any impact.
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Climate change is a global problem that probably wont even have an actual solution rather than just damage control in our lifetimes, and will absolutely require a large chunk of the world organized to fix it, if not the entire world, and suggesting that individuals performing individual actions will affect it is, at best, cope. At worst its liberalism.
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veganism wont solve racism
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GalacticAcid posted:The distortion of the "no ethical consumption" slogan to mean "damage mitigation isn't worth pursuing and aggregated behavioral decisions do not matter at all" is an unfortunate development.
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consumer activism is, at best, irrelevant and at worst actively counterproductive in that it steals energy and attention from things which have some vanishingly small chance of actually making a difference
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people will turn vegetarian as meat becomes more expensive, as it must. it is necessarily downstream of a political change. simply getting people to turn vegan just ends up with stuff like avocado cartels and poo poo
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Serf posted:i have no issue eating all vegetables and maybe bugs/fish or whatever. vat grown meat would be cool i guess. but i know some people, whole families, who will not eat anything green. i'm talking literal years of fried chicken, steak, etc with nothing but bread and potatoes to break up the monotony. i knew a guy who accidentally got lettuce on his burger once and threw the whole thing on the ground. i'm not making any sweeping judgements about anyone here, i just personally know quite a few people who are absolute psychos about their food. a coworker of mine is in distress because she's trying to get her son to eat carrots and peas and her husband refuses to set an example for him and calls vegetables "girl food." death cult poo poo Feed them those vegan chicken nuggets and tell them it's real chicken. They'll never see through the deception as the nugs are gonna be covered in sauce anyway Same concept with spaghetti, mfers will never know that sauce counts as a vegetable
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Bees trained to attack cops E: oops, meant to post this in the secret cspam antifa coordination thread
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Will breaking up the factory farms solve racism
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THS posted:veganism wont solve racism Damnit
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Larry Parrish posted:Climate change is a global problem that probably wont even have an actual solution rather than just damage control in our lifetimes, and will absolutely require a large chunk of the world organized to fix it, if not the entire world, and suggesting that individuals performing individual actions will affect it is, at best, cope. At worst its liberalism. the solution is an autonomous swarm of parasol satellites at L1 but yall ain't ready for that conversation
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i went to some trendy hipster vegan restaurant on a date and the vegan poutine i stupidly ordered had slimy lumps of nasty cashew poo poo with no resemblance to cheese curds and that is when i swore a blood oath to destroy veganism in all its forms
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every split has been over food preferences
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:How about a game of "a quote for a quote"? I'll quote a post where I asked you a question that you didn't respond to. Can you quote a post where anyone in this thread shares "the hot take that everyone should be vegan"? a perfect example: "let's compare our positions in detail so i can show how yours is more exclusionary and mine is superior" there's nothing more to be gained from a vegan movement than from an anti-vegan movement. V. Illych L. posted:people will turn vegetarian as meat becomes more expensive, as it must. it is necessarily downstream of a political change. simply getting people to turn vegan just ends up with stuff like avocado cartels and poo poo yeh
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