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Not an empty quote. And my point isn't, "why aren't people talking about it", it's more the lol at people being on a soap box preaching against Facebook and then quietly stepping down when they see the price tag lol. Though it's happened only a little bit in this thread it's happening a ton elsewhere. We're so hosed lol
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Skyarb posted:Not an empty quote. Who? Who in this thread? Either call somebody out or you're just making noise. We have been over this. Please move on.
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Sep 22, 2020 00:21
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Zaphod42 posted:Who? Who in this thread? Either call somebody out or you're just making noise. It is impossible to "move on" from discussing facebook as it's intrinsically linked to VR and the Quest. It will probably be one of the absolute major parts of the discussion from now on. People will ask about it and they won't know and some of them will be disgusted when they DO find out, others won't care. Another thing you can blame on facebook, making this, the VR thread, constantly having 'facebook bad' hanging around its neck.
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Sep 22, 2020 01:07
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I think he meant move on from scolding some hypothetical group of hypocrites for their purchasing decisions. Obviously oculus is connected to Facebook in a way that is bound to be discussed. But coming in on a high horse and telling people what they are allowed to buy is not productive or enlightening. It’s just trying to rile up drama that has already been discussed to death. There isn’t a single person currently in here that isn’t aware of the situation.
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Sep 22, 2020 01:20
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veni veni veni posted:I think he meant move on from scolding some hypothetical group of hypocrites for their purchasing decisions. Obviously oculus is connected to Facebook in a way that is bound to be discussed. But coming in on a high horse and telling people what they are allowed to buy is not productive or enlightening. It’s just trying to rile up drama that has already been discussed to death. There isn’t a single person currently in here that isn’t aware of the situation. This still isn't my point. It's happening more on reddit than here, but it's like the L4D2 boycott. Lots of people who were previously like "gently caress Facebook, gently caress the quest!" Are now like "ohhh only $299?!". Hell its happening in my friend discords lol. While I do think it's a bad thing I'm mostly just saying it's funny.
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Sep 22, 2020 01:43
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Skyarb posted:This still isn't my point. It's happening more on reddit than here, but it's like the L4D2 boycott. Lots of people who were previously like "gently caress Facebook, gently caress the quest!" Are now like "ohhh only $299?!". Hell its happening in my friend discords lol.  I preordered 2 quests. I live in the imperial metropole of a dying racist warmongering petrostate and our democracy is a joke, I'm at least gonna get my bread and my circuses.
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Sep 22, 2020 01:48
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Gamers will never have any willpower to boycott anything if it’s something they want, and yes it is funny.  But I also don’t like blaming the end consumer for larger problems with companies that should be regulated better.
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Sep 22, 2020 01:50
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Holy crap beaten already? Lol
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Sep 22, 2020 01:51
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veni veni veni posted:Gamers will never have any willpower to boycott anything if it’s something they want, and yes it is funny. Oh I agree Facebook shouldn't be allowed to exist as it is, and yeah that image is loving hilarious.
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Sep 22, 2020 01:54
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$299 is a good price. gently caress Facebook, but that's an amount I'd be willing to pay, and I'll certainly still recommend it as an entry point.
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Skyarb posted:This still isn't my point. It's happening more on reddit than here, but it's like the L4D2 boycott. Lots of people who were previously like "gently caress Facebook, gently caress the quest!" Are now like "ohhh only $299?!". Hell its happening in my friend discords lol. Who? Who here? You keep saying "this still isn't my point" but you just keep complaining and ignoring the replies. I understood your point the first time, but its just looking for people to feel self-righteous towards. Its not productive or healthy unless there is a particular goon you want to respond to, its just shaking your fist at an idea. veni veni veni posted:move on from scolding some hypothetical group of hypocrites for their purchasing decisions. Obviously oculus is connected to Facebook in a way that is bound to be discussed. But coming in on a high horse and telling people what they are allowed to buy is not productive or enlightening. It’s just trying to rile up drama that has already been discussed to death. There isn’t a single person currently in here that isn’t aware of the situation. We all had a big argument about the ethics of buying from facebook several pages ago, I'm sorry you missed it. But its not like the thread isn't aware. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Zaphod42 posted:
What?  No, I didn’t miss it. I was backing you up and agreeing with you so I’m really confused by this reaction lol.
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Sep 22, 2020 02:30
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veni veni veni posted:What? I was still talking to Skyarb there, just quoting your post because it made my point for me. Sorry if that was confusing.
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Sep 22, 2020 02:36
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veni veni veni posted:How is the VR port of the Forest anyways? It's a really cheesy game but the only "survival" game that actually sort of hooked me when I played on a screen. Actually had a lot of fun with it. It's really good. The fact that it's seemless with non vr people is really cool, and VR people have some advantage in combat and, hilariously, tree chopping. There are points where you can tell it's not native vr in some clunkiness, but the game is pretty clunky anyway so it fits. I have had 1 part (swimming) that was very problematic in VR and I got bugged into having to switch to screen, but otherwise it's been fun. Honestly, it's one of the better VR experiences I've had if you can handle motion controls.
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Speaking of native VR advantages I'm like the maximum amount stoked for Squadrons. Though I guess I should not trust EA not to lucy the football.
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Nice. Especially at only 20 bux I figured it might be a great VR buy (sadly I only own it on PlayStation with no VR support) Zaphod42 posted:I was still talking to Skyarb there, just quoting your post because it made my point for me. Sorry if that was confusing. Ah ok, yeah I was confused there haha.
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Skyarb posted:The amount of people who are like "Facebook is a terrible organization that props up right wing terrorism and profits off invasions of privacy." And then they see a toy they like being priced low and are like "Oh well maybe they're not so bad" is pathetic and very telling on how this poo poo is only going to get worse and worse because people can't help themselves or stand for anything. Not buying a product they lose money on isn't going to stop Facebook from doing that stuff. Only governmental regulation, or enforcement thereof, will do that, in America. Everything you buy or do helps someone even worse than Zuck and I hate it but I also can't do anything about it, all I can do is buy interesting things to try to distract myself and to inspire my work. If you are an American or a European please do something tangible.
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For anyone remotely interested in making avatars or worlds for VRChat, a pro-tip is to watch out on Humble Bundle for the occasional Unity asset bundle that likes to pop up like the one running right now. You can get some really great stuff like particle effects and sound banks, as well as general model and world-making assets for a drat good price.
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So I know Facebook bans empty accounts all the time, but do you think they'll keep doing that if the accounts are created while setting up a Quest 2? Like, are we going to see a wave of people 3 months in complaining about losing all their purchased content because they didn't post enough memes?
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Sep 22, 2020 03:56
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No, they wont. Accounts get banned for posting violations or being determined to be bots, not for a lack of content.
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ROFLBOT posted:No, they wont. We've been over this; They can and have been. Your old fake account can't be hit by their algorithm, but recent ones absolutely can be, and your "fake" accounts used by you and your friends are just constantly generating data points doing far more to ID all of you than your name alone would give. Also Facebook's prototyping their Aria AR glasses quote:Another goal of Aria is to test the waters with public perception and uncover privacy and ethical obstacles. Translation; 'How can we get around these obstacles without people finding out?  But don't worry; only they get the data your glasses nebulously ingest!  quote:
It's like a list of "we won't do these things to you, until we adjust the TOS later on the consumer model".
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Neddy Seagoon posted:We've been over this; They can and have been. Your old fake account can't be hit by their algorithm, but recent ones absolutely can be, and your "fake" accounts used by you and your friends are just constantly generating data points doing far more to ID all of you than your name alone would give. OP does not mention anything about a fake account (whatever you choose that to mean). The question is about whether a "low content" account would be banned. If you think even FB would dumb enough to risk the PR disaster that would be thousands of Quest-buyers having their accounts wiped literally for not posting enough (especially given their "algorithms" cant even catch all of these anyway) we really have reached next-level FUD ROFLBOT fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Also Facebook's prototyping their Aria AR glasses considering according to the trailer it's just facebook employees on the facebook campus that's probably overkill tbh
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I would say it is increasingly likely you will have to send them a pic of your ID in order for your purchase to work if your account gets flagged in any way. But to be honest we all have already hashed through the FB argument, they suck, there's nothing wrong with people that still want to buy their product, so maybe we can drop it in favor of actually talking about VR unless they pull some even shittier 1984 type poo poo that warrants mentioning.
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I am still holding out for the HP Reverb G2 which while twice as expensive as the Quest 2, appears to be superior and makes no compromises. Plus Mark Zuccerberg does not have direct access to your eye balls everytime you put the device on on your head.
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I said come in! posted:I am still holding out for the HP Reverb G2 which while twice as expensive as the Quest 2, appears to be superior and makes no compromises. Plus Mark Zuccerberg does not have direct access to your eye balls everytime you put the device on on your head. timing the milliseconds you spend looking at anime titty avatars in VRchat to determine when to serve you the 20 pounds of pussy and rear end masturbator advertisement
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The Big Bad Worf posted:timing the milliseconds you spend looking at anime titty avatars in VRchat to determine when to serve you the 20 pounds of pussy and rear end masturbator advertisement Speaking of, are there any full on MMORPGs in the works for VR? I know theres some stuff already but they are pretty barebones 1st gen early attempts. I would be all over something like Everquest having VR.
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The Big Bad Worf posted:timing the milliseconds you spend looking at anime titty avatars in VRchat to determine when to serve you the 20 pounds of pussy and rear end masturbator advertisement Timing who you look at in Facebook Horizon and for how long. What you talk about and who you talk with. Which ads you look at, what part of them you look at, timed down to the millisecond. How long you play. How quickly you tire. What your range of movement is and how healthy you are. Are you getting fitter? More tired over time indicating an underlying health condition? They'll sell that on to your health insurance. I said come in! posted:I am still holding out for the HP Reverb G2 which while twice as expensive as the Quest 2, appears to be superior and makes no compromises. Plus Mark Zuccerberg does not have direct access to your eye balls everytime you put the device on on your head. Hardware-wise I think the Quest 2's limited optic range is a really bad cost-cutting move. VR's still a niche hobby looking to break into mainstream, let's be honest, and I don't think the sample size on IPD range is gonna scale well in a mass market.
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I said come in! posted:Speaking of, are there any full on MMORPGs in the works for VR? I know theres some stuff already but they are pretty barebones 1st gen early attempts. I would be all over something like Everquest having VR. Where is my Sword Art Online god dammit
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I'm gonna go for the next best thing and get onto vr chat and stare at anime tits one last time before I gotta pack up the headset for moving houses.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Timing who you look at in Facebook Horizon and for how long. What you talk about and who you talk with. Which ads you look at, what part of them you look at, timed down to the millisecond. How long you play. How quickly you tire. What your range of movement is and how healthy you are. Are you getting fitter? More tired over time indicating an underlying health condition? They'll sell that on to your health insurance. Yeah, preaching to the choir there. I've got my eyes on the G2 when it comes out, if it reviews reasonable well, I'm going to sell my rift S and get the G2 as a replacement. As for who will buy the Rift S when the quest 2 is $300 and stands alone, I'm not sure, but someone will. Probably.
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Couple more TWD: S&S questions 1. If you get a mission where you have to go into an enemy area that is not hostile until you enter the area is there any solution generally via talking to them, or do you just have to sneak in/kill them all 2. Is there some rule of thumb to finding the channel 47 caches? The game doesn't even give you any hints where they are except the map they are on? 3. Is it intentional that medicine is so hard to come by or have I just had bad luck with RNG. Crafting medicine is ridiculously far down the upgrade tree and I am lucky to come across any bottles on a quest. It's just weird because every other consumable is easily craft-able.
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Has anyone contacted fb about what happens to their headsets when they don't sign up for fb and the grandfathered period for oculus accounts run out? I would really like to know as I plan on riding out my CV1 for as long as I can.
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veni veni veni posted:Couple more TWD: S&S questions The game is hard and grindy. It's what it is.
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Parallelwoody posted:Has anyone contacted fb about what happens to their headsets when they don't sign up for fb and the grandfathered period for oculus accounts run out? I would really like to know as I plan on riding out my CV1 for as long as I can. Don't worry, your irreplaceable cable will stop working by then.
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Discussing FB effects on VR is ok... if... there is some kind of new insight into the issue. People get tired when the same posts get repeated 20 times without anything new, or when people do general FB rants without no point in them except saying how awful FB is.
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Now, this could be relevant https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/889pk3/facebook-threatens-to-pull-out-of-europe-if-it-doesnt-get-its-way European regulators are cracking down on Facebook's ability to transfer data across the Atlantic. Now the tech giant is threatening to pull its services from more than 400 million European users.
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Turin Turambar posted:Now, this could be relevant It's an empty threat, the article says as much, and trying to play the victim in an EU court probably isn't gonna go in their favour like it might in a US one. Still though;  .edit: Ausgoons, Scorptec just added a preorder page for the Reverb G2 with a release date of the 3rd of November. (Get it on the HP website though, it's discounted to $900AUD with the code REVERB) Neddy Seagoon fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Timing who you look at in Facebook Horizon and for how long. What you talk about and who you talk with. Which ads you look at, what part of them you look at, timed down to the millisecond. How long you play. How quickly you tire. What your range of movement is and how healthy you are. Are you getting fitter? More tired over time indicating an underlying health condition? They'll sell that on to your health insurance. Selling vrchat users yoga balls and trackers based on how often the user appears to stare at their own chest.
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Best sellers in videogames in Amazon.com #5 Switch #7 Cyberpunk 2077 pc version #9 Quest 2 #10 New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe #16 Quest 2 256gb #38 Quest 2 elite strap with battery #63 Quest 2 elite strap Not bad, given the tv marketing campaign hasn't started. The fact the more expensive strap is selling more than the normal one says to me that right now, it's the hardcore audience the ones that are buying currently.
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