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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
definitely a trustworthy source

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1308322500183552000?s=20

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SpaceCommie
Oct 2, 2008

I'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by Capitalism ...

SPACE!



I guess if Labour really do go hard on "New Leadership, No Crobbins!" then it'll be more difficult to blame Corbyn when we lose in ... who the gently caress am I kidding ...

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

namesake posted:

That's quite a clear dig that from the moment they lost the Remain movement either did no self reflection whatsoever or waited until Corbyn was gone and apparently then it's right to leave and all that can be done is making sure we leave well.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
they've just published the response to the GRA consultation and no reform

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2020-09-22/hcws462

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
"we need to win back trust" by admitting to have lied about everything to become leader

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1308330048324337665?s=20

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Jedit posted:

So Jewdas want the Labour Party to become Tories. Right.

The Labour Party can get hosed.

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1308329638150713345?s=19

Worthless tory cunts already.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

SpaceCommie posted:

Fake EDIT: "We deserved to lose the last election, for not listening to people"
I mean technically he's not wrong. The centre right melts threw the election because they weren't listening to the membership or the people on the doors - they were listening to melt journos, and journos are not people.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jose posted:

they've just published the response to the GRA consultation and no reform

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2020-09-22/hcws462
New clinics is good, but three years of a mass groundswell in terfery for this...

What does that even mean? You're still forced to use a private monopoly for your water and sewage but you get a vote on who's on the board?

Frozen_flame
Feb 14, 2012

Press A to Protect Earth!
I caught bits of Starmer's speech and it was so loving empty and bland. Pretty glad the work TV was on mute so I didnt have to actually hear it.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Guavanaut posted:

New clinics is good, but three years of a mass groundswell in terfery for this...

What does that even mean? You're still forced to use a private monopoly for your water and sewage but you get a vote on who's on the board?

you get to be the train driver now

https://twitter.com/Britestoan/status/1308334088919699456?s=20

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003
Amazing how easy it was to go from all parties are the same, to a party looking to enact actual change that I would have supported all my life, back to yep the parties are the same. Thanks Keith.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe

Jose posted:

"we need to win back trust" by admitting to have lied about everything to become leader

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1308330048324337665?s=20

The loving Tories are probably about to nationalise the rail service within a year and the Labour party is running away from the idea in shrieking terror.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
in funnier news this is an IEA ghoul

https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1308097968160092160?s=20
https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1308108505413545985?s=20

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

peanut- posted:

The loving Tories are probably about to nationalise the rail service within a year

I'll believe it when I see it

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003



:dudsmile:

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Gort posted:

I'll believe it when I see it

I believe the word they were looking for was "monopolize."

That or a NHS style privatization, where there is a skeleton government run bit for the lost leaders, but anything that can make money is privatized.

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back
[furiously injecting spice, snorting spice, and smoking spice, all at once]

1, 2, 3


Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Jose posted:

they've just published the response to the GRA consultation and no reform

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2020-09-22/hcws462

Some initial thoughts As A Trans:
  • lol @ months ago promising to release the response "over the summer" and, after every trans person rotted into a skeleton from waiting, releasing it on literally the first day of autumn. what you couldn't push it forward 24 hours to stop yourself from lying
  • ok so their response to the process being "too bureaucratic" is putting the process online. what... what do they think bureaucracy is. do they think it means "literal paper work". It looks like their justification for this is coming from a survey, possibly multiple choice by the sound of it? yeah was there an option for "this entire process is demeaning" or did the government decide not to include that in their survey they made
  • "is not the top priority for transgender people" yeah that doesn't mean so it's ok if you do loving nothing, Elizabeth
  • also note that their justification in their consultation response to the consultation comes from this survey they did and not the... the consultation. I haven't gone through the responses yet but, hmmm.
  • Decreasing waiting times is a good goal, not sure they really needed a years-long terf-baiting consultation to realise that to years is a bad time to wait to even start a process that itself takes years to complete, but it's nice they finally figure this out.
  • As for how to do it, creating more GICs is not nothing, though it'll depend how well they are funded and staffed and so on. I have heard that a big problem in GICs is getting enough qualified staff, so I'm sure the conservatives' joined-up approach will pay attention to the vital details of this process. Not to mention under-18 transition care is a big issue (currently there are only three GICs seeing under 18s - London, Glasgow and Belfast, and they're at varying levels of overloaded), so will the tories really be keen to do that when the terfs are yelling about the poor children being transed
  • Also: the institution of the GIC is pretty controversial among trans people. There's a fair bit of variation in how each is run but fundamentally the process is one of having to prove to a medical professional (often not actually a doctor) that you are in fact Really Trans, resulting in a lot of stress for the patient and undermining the relationship between the patient and the professional when you know anything you say might stop you from getting the care you need depending on how read up this random guy is at trans issues. The main alternative proposal, practised in several other countries, is "informed consent", where the only barrier to getting treatment is the patient understanding the risks, which is much easier for a professional to determine than looking into their soul and seeing if their aura is pink, blue or purple
  • "At the heart of this is the principle of individual liberty. Our philosophy is that a person’s character, your ideas, and your work ethic trumps the colour of your skin or your biological sex." love "work ethic" listed here as the fundamental threshold of worthiness as a person. your worth is your ability to plug into the machine of capitalism, citizen.
  • ok i have skimmed the executive summary and just lol at this: 64.1% in favour of removing the gender dysphoria requirement, 80.3% for removing the medical report, 78.6% for removing the two-year lived experience, 84.9% against spousal consent, 58.5% for reducing the fee. now which one of these figures was interpreted as the will of the people

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
Is that just a bad photo or has Keir been at the pies during lockdown?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Frozen_flame posted:

I caught bits of Starmer's speech and it was so loving empty and bland. Pretty glad the work TV was on mute so I didnt have to actually hear it.

It's okay, twitter randos are assuring me it's an amazing speech that will go over well in the red wall

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
going all in on flag loving

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1308326375326179328?s=20

and this is grim

https://twitter.com/ryanjohnbutcher/status/1308333026980573184?s=20

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Flayer posted:

Is that just a bad photo or has Keir been at the pies during lockdown?

Honestly I feel like he had some sort of health problem, because every time I see him he looks more and more bloated. And I mean bloated because it looks more like liquid retention or something rather than fat.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

what i love is that even if keir hasn't been tapped up by his friends in MI5 to smother what's left of the social democratic tendency in labour, he's effectively behaving like he has. i mean this is all the work of a man who desperately wants to ensure a one party tory state well into the 2030s.

its 10.50am so it'll soon be time for owen jones to passionately beg us all again to join labour so we can vote in those all important NEC elections.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Angepain posted:

Some initial thoughts As A Trans:
  • ok i have skimmed the executive summary and just lol at this: 64.1% in favour of removing the gender dysphoria requirement, 80.3% for removing the medical report, 78.6% for removing the two-year lived experience, 84.9% against spousal consent, 58.5% for reducing the fee. now which one of these figures was interpreted as the will of the people

64.7% in favour of recognising non-binary people also, come the gently caress on liz

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
glad i start actual uni lessons next week so i can try and take a break from how bleak this all is

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

Seems the way you get the labour party to pay attention to you as a voting bloc is not to vote for them. Weird

blunt
Jul 7, 2005

Apologies for the Facebook/LBC image but Boris looks like he's literally wilting. His dad looks healthier than he does.



Long covid? Alcoholism? Conscience catching up to him? Either way it can't be sustainable...

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
just absolutely loving nothing, lol

https://twitter.com/GEOgovuk/status/1308337614500569093

https://twitter.com/shonfaye/status/1308343907068112897

1965917
Oct 4, 2005

Everything wrong with the party is the fault of the last labour ̶g̶o̶v̶e̶r̶n̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ party. Miniature flags for all! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIgSTjzrmRg&t=12s

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

I believe the term is "flag nonce"

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Ah the internet, where everything is absolutely secure and nothing ever gets hacked leading to the humiliation and blackmail of thousands of vulnerable people. Jesus.

Can I ask, is the 'living as that gender for two years' thing new? Because that seems like a pretty brutal requirement for post-puberty dysphorics who have trouble passing, and a recipie for many, many suicides.

Between this GRA stuff and Keith's speech, my mood has been tjoroughly hosed up this morning, which sucks because I wanted to spend today spoiling my dog for his birthday.

Still going to try, because unlike Stairmaster he is a good boy.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
No, that was part of the original GRA, as was the "no gender affirmation without permission of thine husband."

In the original case that was partly because same-sex marriage wasn't yet legal and mixed-sex civil partnerships were forbidden for ~reasons~ so it could have legal status considerations, but there's no excuse now.

Really they should have just made 'marriage' a religious ceremony that people can choose to partake in, civil partnerships be the civic status of two people and their relationship with the state, and never added "of the same sex" to the civil partnership act, but good luck getting that past the religious lot in the House despite it making the most sense.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Continuity RCP posted:

I believe the term is "flag nonce"

starmer has bigger issues with nonces

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
oh and turns out the one slightly decent bit was nothing to do with the government anyway

https://twitter.com/NotRightRuth/status/1308338647759024130

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Can I ask, is the 'living as that gender for two years' thing new? Because that seems like a pretty brutal requirement for post-puberty dysphorics who have trouble passing, and a recipie for many, many suicides.

It used to be worse! It used to be a requirement before getting medical treatment of any kind (e.g. hormones). Which I don't know if they've completely abolished that everywhere but it's at least not been the case for me. I believe there's still some restriction like that for surgery, though the waiting lists will probably take care of that by themselves i guess.

Angepain fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Sep 22, 2020

StoicFnord
Jul 27, 2012

"If you want to make enemies....try to change something."


College Slice

Skeletome posted:

anyone got any know how on redundancy?

company has just announced they're restructuring and doing a consultation, where I believe employees will be helping with that consultation, appointed by ballot.

I want to know how buggered I am lol

Booking.Com?

My Partners son is getting the shaft from them as well.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Goldskull posted:

Wait, your Mum got her wrist all busted up and the kid who did it's parents wanted to sue her and the school? How the gently caress would that ever stand up in court?

Oh, that family was a ball of chaos.
Notice I said parent. Their mother was on drugs, so not much of a mother figure to the two kids.
Say anything to them, and you were the worst in the world.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
the state of the guardian

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1308289194045906950?s=20

lmao

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1308341497352290304?s=20

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Angepain posted:

oh and turns out the one slightly decent bit was nothing to do with the government anyway

https://twitter.com/NotRightRuth/status/1308338647759024130
I am shocked.

Proudhon's idea that we should put the scientists in charge and have citizens submit ideas for legislation is some poo poo, because they would immediately dedicate themselves to the immortal science of making sure that we stay in charge forever, but it's better than this loving shower of "we take full credit for the actions of the doctors we don't listen to."

Jose posted:

starmer has bigger issues with nonces

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

namesake posted:

That's quite a clear dig that from the moment they lost the Remain movement either did no self reflection whatsoever or waited until Corbyn was gone and apparently then it's right to leave and all that can be done is making sure we leave well.

To people in this thread genuinely think that Labour could have won the Brexit election of 2019 with a policy of ‘err, I dunno?’ The policy that had Labour at 19% in the polls, 3rd behind the LDs?

Labour, perhaps inevitably, failed to swing anti-Brexit enough to win over all of the Remain vote from the Lib Dems; losing those votes was the difference between 2017 and 2019. But a swing in the other direction would have needed to go as far as saying ‘do Brexit because Brexit is a good idea’ to get to a coherent message that would gain votes from the Brexit Party. And that is just not a thing more than 3 MPs could have credibly said.

Corbyn lost his chance at power when he failed to engage with the Northern pensioner class on any terms other than Brexit (I.e ‘how much do you want us to gently caress over the foreigns? Would you settle for just a little bit?’). Pensioners don’t want jobs, training or broadband; they want to understand the country they live in, believe it will continue after they are dead, and have their bins collected.

Those are not unreasonable requests, and no part of meeting them should have ended up violating the Good Friday Agreement.

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/dril/status/912753223118749696?s=20

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