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American McGay posted:The Series S has the exact same SSD as the Series X though, just half the size. If that’s the case, games should load faster on the Series S as there’s less RAM to fill...
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y_y posted:If that’s the case, games should load faster on the Series S as there’s less RAM to fill... And potentially smaller textures on top of that.
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:cost - pcie4 drives that are fast are only appearing at the end of the year. i wasn't kidding the multiple times i said that the ps5 was using ssd tech that wasn't on the market yet. the rocket linked is 5GB/s for comparison, ps5's is 5.5GB/s min and then there's their decompression on top of that to hit 8-9GB/s sustained It’s funny that the new 7GB/s drives come out the same day as the PS5. They will be the first drives fast enough for the PS5.
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Rad Valtar posted:It’s funny that the new 7GB/s drives come out the same day as the PS5. They will be the first drives fast enough for the PS5. While you're probably right, it's worth reminding people not to buy any nVME drives for their PlayStation until Sony releases their testing information. These consoles need sustained speeds and sometimes consumer-level drives struggle with that plus consumer drives need a certain amount of headroom above the PS5 spec to be usable.
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Zerot posted:While you're probably right, it's worth reminding people not to buy any nVME drives for their PlayStation until Sony releases their testing information. These consoles need sustained speeds and sometimes consumer-level drives struggle with that plus consumer drives need a certain amount of headroom above the PS5 spec to be usable. Yeah I wasn’t suggesting anyone buy one right away. Just that it won’t be long after release.
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Zerot posted:While you're probably right, it's worth reminding people not to buy any nVME drives for their PlayStation until Sony releases their testing information. These consoles need sustained speeds and sometimes consumer-level drives struggle with that plus consumer drives need a certain amount of headroom above the PS5 spec to be usable. The dirty secret with nvme drives: throttling because they're rarely binned for high temp usage.
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incoherent posted:The dirty secret with nvme drives: throttling because they're rarely binned for high temp usage. The way around this is specifically getting the drive in the path of airflow, right?
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Motherboards often have a heatsink attached that you remove and put your nvme driver under.
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Twerk from Home posted:The way around this is specifically getting the drive in the path of airflow, right? Single sided nvme (only few are), a heatsink (those are stickers, not copper), and sitting in the way of airflow are all things I can think of that would be needed. I am really itching for someone to crack a PS5 up because its apparently all heatsink and airflow and we'll know if they're using a single or dual sided one to get 5.5+gb/sec.
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They said it's proprietary, what if they used some hacked together connector that's actually just two m.2 connectors and their drive is actually two nvme drives in raid0.
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They could go the apple route and be still be m.2, just electrically different. I'm sure microsoft put some sort of auth chip on these things.
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Cojawfee posted:They said it's proprietary, what if they used some hacked together connector that's actually just two m.2 connectors and their drive is actually two nvme drives in raid0. What’s proprietary?
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i mean their own drive will be just chips soldered to the mainboard theres no reason to use an m.2 internally especially when theyve rolled their own i/o entirely
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I'm interested in if the PS5 has enough cooling headspace with those overclocked components to be able to keep the SSD at that high rate of transfer.
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https://twitter.com/majornelson/status/1308828664004567041 They tell an amusing story about the fallout 3 presentation at e3 a million years ago in this.
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American McGay posted:The Series S has the exact same SSD as the Series X though, just half the size.
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Thom12255 posted:I'm interested in if the PS5 has enough cooling headspace with those overclocked components to be able to keep the SSD at that high rate of transfer. i mean its gigantic its impossible for it not to unless sony fired all of their hardware engineers
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It’s hilarious to me the concerns of internet posters as if the hardware engineers that built this stuff for years just ignored it.
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Copper is expensive.
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Rad Valtar posted:It’s hilarious to me the concerns of internet posters as if the hardware engineers that built this stuff for years just ignored it. The best part of being an engineer is informing your bosses of the massive technical downsides of this thing they want to do and them being like "do it anyway." It rules.
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I'm sure Mark Cerny internal workflow for the PS5 was "How does this work for knack?"
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It would be trivial to have some heat sinking for the add-on nvme slot, motherboards have done it for a few release cycles now. Edit: also, most likely the controller on the stick drive will be the only thing that really needs cooling, nand flash likes to run warm. Wardark Grimhams fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Thom12255 posted:I'm interested in if the PS5 has enough cooling headspace with those overclocked components to be able to keep the SSD at that high rate of transfer. They haven't showed it much in the marketing but the back of the PS5 is actually just a series of huge vents, so I think it'll be just fine there.
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incoherent posted:I'm sure Mark Cerny internal workflow for the PS5 was "How does this work for knack?" Unfortunately knack looks like a no go now that so many kid focused games were announced for launch window. (Bugsnax, r+c, sackboy, astrobot) Cerny is working on something but we dont know what maybe knacks triumpant return is just belated?
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Real hurthling! posted:Unfortunately knack looks like a no go now that so many kid focused games were announced for launch window. (Bugsnax, r+c, sackboy, astrobot) Cerny is busy importing all the ear scans into the mainframe
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A man A plan Your ear canal
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I'm hearing that Microsoft has bought Knack
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Thom12255 posted:I'm interested in if the PS5 has enough cooling headspace with those overclocked components to be able to keep the SSD at that high rate of transfer. the series x is extremely half-assed from the internal shot seen, someone post it itt please. they're proud of using a single fan and have a concerning low amount of intake
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:the talk going around is that they're using liquid metal in some capacity, which is a bold claim. other than that they spent a lot on r&d for thermal design so i really want to see one properly examined The patent is just a gallium chamber instead of thermal paste they arent like piping quicksilver around in there Yeah the heatsink looks like it was on the wrong way in one xsx internal shot i saw idk how the air flow works there
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Real hurthling! posted:Yeah the heatsink looks like it was on the wrong way in one xsx internal shot i saw idk how the air flow works there Digital Foundry seems to like the Series X design well enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxLeYN-t9nw The large fan spins slowly at the top and air is brought in from the bottom. Seems fine and designed for quiet operation.
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Rad Valtar posted:It’s hilarious to me the concerns of internet posters as if the hardware engineers that built this stuff for years just ignored it. RROD
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Thom12255 posted:RROD You are right, that’s why I’ll never buy a Microsoft console.
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Rad Valtar posted:You are right, that’s why I’ll never buy a Microsoft console. edgy
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thats not what being edgy means lol
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Rad Valtar posted:You are right, that’s why I’ll never buy a Microsoft console. It's time to forgive
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ethanol posted:the xbox is bad To the bone?
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:someone post it itt please. they're proud of using a single fan and have a concerning low amount of intake This pic?  It just looks cramped. The fan looks blocked over most of its surface too. Its probably fine. doubtful it will melt itself just odd.
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