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MalarkeyToboggan posted:Most likely. He just can't use his left leg at all. If he falls to juryo he is definitely retiring. Former Ozeki never fall that low with Terunofuji being the exception. Yeah, Terunofuji being just 25 when he started his slide being the huge asterisks on his career path compared to everyone else. He had time on his side to make it back up and he just kicked everyone’s rear end on the way back. Koto on the other hand is 36 and broken. It’s not a given that he’d even make his way back up if he sticks around and it’d probably be pretty humiliating if he drops and actually loses in Juryo.
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Sep 23, 2020 20:10
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Above average night for me! My boy Kaisei looked super focused and put it away quickly! The dishonor of me trading him away has fueled the fire within Enho. Curses! Hope the official that got annihilated was okay after he walked it off! Aioyama did himself in in a manner I can only describe as being the bull in a bullfight. First time I've ever seen a gyoji verdict overturned. Does anything else happen? I have both Salt Bae and Daieisho so this was a wash for me. My guy won! Takakeisho continued to look dominant. This was a very exciting night! Last night had way more good throws though!
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Sep 23, 2020 22:11
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Dang. My picks were doing pretty good until Kiribayama went kyujo. Kind of wish I'd gone with Tobizaru instead of Hoshoryu for my "exciting new prospect" pick. Tobi's racking up the wins, but even when he loses his matches are really fun to watch. Cage Kicker posted:First time I've ever seen a gyoji verdict overturned. Does anything else happen? No, although the top-ranked gyoji wear daggers on their uniform to signify their willingness to commit seppuku if they mess up a call. (In practice they just offer to resign, and the sumo association almost always turns down their resignation)
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Sep 23, 2020 22:34
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If they have too many calls overturned in a short time period, they can be disciplined. The previous Shikimori Inosuke had a bad run a few years ago, from memory and was suspended, or was threatened with suspension.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:28
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In awesome news, it looks like Ura is 5-1 from Makushita 5, so with any luck he should be in Juryo next basho.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:33
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I remember there being some grumbling about the last Shikimori Insosuke, but given that he was ultimately forced to retire after getting drunk and fondling a junior gyoji I bet there were a variety of things the NSK was irritated with besides bad calls. That article also has the funniest Hakuho quote about the incident: "When Hakuho came out of the heya was also accosted by the press, and responded somewhat in consternation: 'He is not gay as far as I know, but he does love his liquor' before disappearing into the car on his way home."
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Sep 23, 2020 23:36
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Kenning posted:I remember there being some grumbling about the last Shikimori Insosuke, but given that he was ultimately forced to retire after getting drunk and fondling a junior gyoji I bet there were a variety of things the NSK was irritated with besides bad calls. lol same
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Sep 24, 2020 00:44
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i've seen plenty of overturned decisions in the monoii and a couple controversial ones, remember getting pissed at one in particular one of the basho where tochinoshin was trying to keep his ozeki rank. that's the first one i can remember where the ref quite clearly made the wrong call tho without much room for debate
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Sep 24, 2020 03:16
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For fans of non-Sumo MMA, how legit an org is RIZIN? Just saw that former Takanofuji, the 23-year old prospect that got kicked out of juryo last year for beating his assistant is making his MMA debut this week at RIZIN 24 https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/72047-rizin-24. He's fighting as Tsuyoshi Sudario against another 0-0 guy. He's fighting at 265 compared to his twin brother Takagenji who is currently Makushita 1E at weighs in at 379 so it looks like he's actually trying (and is young enough to have potential) to be a real fighter rather than a Sumo dude sideshow. Takanofuji/Tsuyoshi and Takagenji side-by-side:   So on the scale of 1 being Logan Paul freakshow to 10 being a legit UFC main event, where would this rate? bessantj posted:Yeah, none of them seem to have problems marrying stunning women. Also going back a bit, even if he sucks, the side-by-side is a pretty good answer to this.
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Sep 24, 2020 03:57
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RIZIN is a totally legit MMA company but they are also a Japanese MMA company so the freakshow aspect is still there, especially on NYE.
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Sep 24, 2020 05:02
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My overall numbers are taking a beating in the back half, because my guys keep getting scheduled against each other.
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Sep 24, 2020 05:19
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baruto fought on 4 of the early rizin cards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yH5is2SQE4
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Sep 24, 2020 05:25
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Thauros posted:baruto fought on 4 of the early rizin cards Baruto is currently 35 years old, his first 3 Rizin opponents that he beat by decision are currently 49, 49 and 50 years old, having MMA records of 1-1, 15-11 and 30-23. Totally legit MMA matchups yup. Anyway then he fought Mirko who is also kinda old (46 now) bus is the real deal so naturally, Baruto never fought again.
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Sep 24, 2020 11:16
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Insert here baruto shadow boxing under a waterfall
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Sep 24, 2020 11:36
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sTobizaru continuing to get really exciting wins. Not even mad he beat my man Wakatakakage. That bout was reeeeal good. Also someone earlier was saying Aoiyama just needs to use his bulk more to push and boy did he ever today. Almost looked like a completely different dude on the dohyo.
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Sep 24, 2020 13:49
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Liquid Communism posted:My overall numbers are taking a beating in the back half, because my guys keep getting scheduled against each other. Since I don’t start a chance of winning, I am now rooting for results that will set up gimmick teams for the next basho. So far I am tracking: Team Taka: They have an Ozeki and Takanosho probably at Komsubi. They need one of Takayasu or Takarafuji to lose out though or else they will both be 1-5 and they won’t have a 6-10. Wakatakakage is also available as a cheat option depending on where he winds up. The are definitely going to be missing someone at 11+ though. Team Yama: The Mountains were looking pretty good until Kiribayama got hurt and might actually fill out a full team if they cheat and use the Fujis as well. Asanoyama and Terunofuji take the top 2 spots. They need Aoiyama to finish strong to get into 1-5 and hope that Kiribayama and Yukatayama drop into the right spots (and to actually be healthy). Team Ryu: The dragon team has the numbers but they’ve had a rough tournament. Kakuryu takes the top spot, but is a question mark. They don’t have another Sanyaku guy and Myogiryu seems likely to drop out of 1-5 range. And with none of Ryuden, Tokushoryu, Chiyotairyu or Hoshoryu doing well, the entire 6 man squad might have losing records.
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Sep 24, 2020 17:06
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enho started looking alive once i dumped him, happy to give him some luckpseudodragon posted:Since I don’t start a chance of winning, I am now rooting for results that will set up gimmick teams for the next basho. was gonna say you could use the "zans" as well as that also means mountain and like yama is written with "山”. shohozan's not gonna be able to help you much tho and he seems to be the only one rn....
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Sep 24, 2020 17:21
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I've gotta say, after this basho I'm definitely on the Tobizaru hype train. I hadn't heard much about him before this, but he's so high-energy and fun to watch! Day 12 standings: code:
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Sep 24, 2020 18:23
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Kenning posted:I've gotta say, after this basho I'm definitely on the Tobizaru hype train. I hadn't heard much about him before this, but he's so high-energy and fun to watch! He's always been really fun to watch but it's a little surprising seeing him do this well, it feels like he's been flip flopping 8-7 and 7-8 in Juryo for long time but this year he's just been much more successful. Just for reference, here's his 2018/2019: 
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Sep 24, 2020 18:27
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How does his performance stand against other "best debuts in top division"?
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Sep 24, 2020 19:24
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Sub Rosa posted:How does his performance stand against other "best debuts in top division"? He’s no Hakuho but he is close to someone like Shodai or maybe even Ura pre injury
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Sep 24, 2020 19:51
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Fluffdaddy posted:He’s no Hakuho but he is close to someone like Shodai or maybe even Ura pre injury You're talking about performance over their first few tournaments right? Rather than literally just their debut, since Ura's was 8-7.
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Sep 24, 2020 20:08
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Sub Rosa posted:How does his performance stand against other "best debuts in top division"? If I didn’t screw up the query there’s 86 guys since 1938 that have 10+ wins on their debut. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_wins=%3E9&form1_m=on&form1_debutd=on&sort_basho=1 10+ = 86 (Including a 10-0 guy in 1946) 11+ = 40 12 + = 14 13 = 3 The recent guys that hit 10 are hit or miss with guys like Asanoyama and Shodai, but also a few who quickly dropped back down. Kiribayama got 11 in January and it’s too early to say on him, but before that it was Ichinojo who was 13-2 in 2014 and Aoiyama who was 11-4 in 2011. Only 9 guys have done 11+ since 2000 including Hakuho, Baruto and Goeido.
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Sep 24, 2020 20:12
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Yeah, Ichinojo went 13-2, was immediately promoted to sekiwake, and everyone was ready for him to just keep on going to yokozuna. Unfortunately, as Bruce at Tachiai always says, simply being enormous is not a sumo strategy. When Ichi is in good shape and energized he's goddamn unstoppable, but he seems to do worse when he gets bigger, since he gets slower and more tentative.
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Sep 24, 2020 20:18
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Goeido went 11-4 on his debut.
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Sep 24, 2020 20:39
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Wakatakakage so good and Enho is bae
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Sep 24, 2020 20:50
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Kenning posted:Yeah, Ichinojo went 13-2, was immediately promoted to sekiwake, and everyone was ready for him to just keep on going to yokozuna. Unfortunately, as Bruce at Tachiai always says, simply being enormous is not a sumo strategy. When Ichi is in good shape and energized he's goddamn unstoppable, but he seems to do worse when he gets bigger, since he gets slower and more tentative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIl_95leRcM here's all of Ichinojo's bouts on his debut
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Sep 24, 2020 20:57
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it’s been noted that rikishi debuting in makuuchi often have very solid performances accompanied by winning one of the special prizes tho usually not *this* good. i guessed the wrong one...
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Sep 24, 2020 21:37
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Yeah, I usually try to get a makuuchi debutante on my team because of that, but I went with Hoshoryu this time. Whoops!
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Sep 24, 2020 21:54
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Kenning posted:Yeah, I usually try to get a makuuchi debutante on my team because of that, but I went with Hoshoryu this time. Whoops! Sounds like quite a few of us made the same mistake. Rooting for the new guy is fun and Hoshoryu had the hype around him.
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Sep 24, 2020 22:45
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Brut posted:You're talking about performance over their first few tournaments right? Rather than literally just their debut, since Ura's was 8-7. Yea over a few tournaments. Usually first tournament isn’t a super good indicator like the Ichinonjo example. He was just SO big when he made his debut but that’s pretty much all he has.
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Sep 25, 2020 02:22
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mekchu asked me to make a thread about moat fights https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3941694 maybe we'll watch some moat fights tomorrow night instead of the normal slate of full metal dojo i had planned
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Sep 25, 2020 02:46
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Tobizaru's expression after that win was incredible hahaha
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Sep 25, 2020 10:50
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QuasiQuack posted:Tobizaru's expression after that win was incredible hahaha Yeah, that bout was so great Tochinoshin losing by a handful of millimetres after that incredible pivot was heartbreaking Terunofuji having arthritis in his knee in his mid-twenties is brutal
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Sep 25, 2020 11:42
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I'm having some rotten luck with my picks getting injured or fighting each other. Disastrous fantasy basho for me. Man, we could have six rikishi at 11 wins going into day 15, what the gently caress. When the yokozuna are out...
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Sep 25, 2020 12:22
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Dias posted:Man, we could have six rikishi at 11 wins going into day 15, what the gently caress. When the yokozuna are out... I have my fingers crossed for an absolute monster of a playoff
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Sep 25, 2020 12:35
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This threads new favourite monster Hokuseiho has gone 7-0 in Jonidan. The only Rikshi to do so, looks like he'll take the yusho for that division and be in Sandanme for the next basho.
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Sep 25, 2020 12:51
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Kotoshogiku is definitely broken at this point, and I think it likely is his final basho.  It was very kind of Ichinojo to treat him so gently, he's suffered enough.Enho got straight up matadored by Meisei. It was a sweet move but I feel bad for the little guy. Once again, Aoiyama tried throwing his much smaller opponent so many times instead of just going forward, and eventually he got pushed out. Good technique by Kotoeko but yamadude you weigh a ton just Go Forward. I can only guess his heavily-wrapped knees rival Tochinoshin's for power and that's why he fights backward so much, it's just a shame to see so much meat go unused. Tochinoshin showed off why they put the loose sand around the tawara, which was nice of him  Are we going to see two ex-Ozeki retirements after this basho?Hokutofuji HOW THE gently caress DIDN'T YOU SEE THAT COMING HOLY poo poo Shodai pulled off a nice win in probably the most important match of the day. Good job resisting Takakeisho's pressure and pulling a nice throw. This basho is the best I've ever seen him fight, and he's my pick to beat Tobizaru and Wakatakakage (who are both on my team, sadly) for the yusho. Asanoyama may have started out badly, but that was some serious dominant big Ozeki sumo against Mitakeumi today. Very impressive. Shame he can't go back and pick up one of those three losses to be in the yusho race.
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Sep 25, 2020 15:47
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Isn’t Asanoyama still in it if both of the leaders drop a match and he continues to win? Same of everyone else at 10-3. Such an exciting basho
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Isn’t Asanoyama still in it if both of the leaders drop a match and he continues to win? Same of everyone else at 10-3. He's actually going to be facing one of the two leaders tomorrow so def still in it.
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