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PuErhTeabag
Sep 2, 2018

ultrafilter posted:

I'm running a Post My Favorite thread where I'm posting a bunch of stats/ML/etc. papers that I find interesting. Some of you may as well.

I've been appreciating thread, but I didn't want to muck up your post streak with something lame.

Thanks for continuing to post cool papers.

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animist
Aug 28, 2018

mystes posted:

Viewers who like Jordan Peterson also like: Hitler.

Sounds like it's basically working properly?

yeah, half the problems with ML systems come from them working as intended

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/bascule/status/1307440596668182528

https://twitter.com/MarkEMarkAU/status/1307616892551487488

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



wow

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007




you hate to see it, folks.

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

I for one am shocked to learn that there may be bias in the bias laundering machine

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011



The replies to the Simpsons ones where people have done colour,head swaps are kind of interesting. I'd be surprised (not very, but a little) if Twitter had released an algorithm which is as obviously racist as the headline examples make it seem

Cat Face Joe
Feb 20, 2005

goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes



our very own radio paranoia has gone viral

https://twitter.com/aftertheboop/status/1308091057863888896

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011



lmao

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

pointsofdata posted:

The replies to the Simpsons ones where people have done colour,head swaps are kind of interesting. I'd be surprised (not very, but a little) if Twitter had released an algorithm which is as obviously racist as the headline examples make it seem

i'm guessing it was trained with real human interactions, with no attempt to correct for bias because social media companies don't give a gently caress if their "show people what they want to see" algorithms absorb the racism of their userbase

if it somehow increased views, shares, and interactions, they'd be fine with the algorithm editing "heil hitler" into every thumbnail

racism isn't the only side effect of this relentless focus of appealing to the biases of their users, either

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffFromRegina/status/1307903677290561536

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Main Paineframe posted:

racism isn't the only side effect of this relentless focus of appealing to the biases of their users, either

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffFromRegina/status/1307903677290561536

stunningly cursed image.

Phobeste
Apr 9, 2006

never, like, count out Touchdown Tom, man

Main Paineframe posted:

racism isn't the only side effect of this relentless focus of appealing to the biases of their users, either

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffFromRegina/status/1307903677290561536

https://twitter.com/rashiq/status/1308437134865563648

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



my eyes

Neslepaks
Sep 3, 2003

stupid sexy zuckers

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/poppy_haze/status/1308408732632657922

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
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Ither
Jan 30, 2010

What is it?

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
bullet distribution on the planes coming back

the bits where the bullets are not are
where if you get hit the plane goes boom and does not come back. so they put more armor there

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

is the joke here that Big Data is the discipline formerly known as statistics

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Sagebrush posted:

is the joke here that Big Data is the discipline formerly known as statistics

The joke is the typical big data person's understanding of statistics.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

the longer version of the story is that the RAF kept up-armoring the places that came back with bullet holes and survivablity got no better and people got very confused until they realized they should be up-armoring the other locations instead

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
big data is statisticians but not brutally incompetent at computing

animist
Aug 28, 2018

bob dobbs is dead posted:

big data is statisticians but not brutally incompetent at computing

they write all their code in Python

e: well, that's not quite fair, I guess some of them do use Java.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
just incompetent, not brutally incompetent

i remember a lil tiff between a grad student and a prof, who was about 75 years old. stats dept. prof was telling kids in class that you should just expect computing resources including programmers to do the programming work "in any decent sized company" and the grad student was basically being like "ok boomer"

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Sep 23, 2020

Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008
"Big Data" is a term of flattery used to sell expensive solutions to organizations with middling amounts of actual data.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Doom Mathematic posted:

"Big Data" is a term of flattery used to sell expensive solutions to organizations with middling amounts of actual data.

that too

one of my old bosses used to do a consultancy dealio and he sold big data poo poo to a mall it dept

the big data came in, it was a 10mb excel file

he got paid >50 large. 5 bucks a kilobyte lol

Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008
Yeah, I mean, the customer gets to feel important, the consultant gets to charge a premium for an easy job, and the problem actually gets solved nice and fast. There are worse things in this industry.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
what they basically wanted was a join table

they paid 50 grand for a join table

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/endlesswario/status/1309223131953991693

Scientific Python community having an absolutely normal one.

animist
Aug 28, 2018

ultrafilter posted:


Scientific Python community having an absolutely normal one.

:psypop:

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



good grief

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

this is an utterly perfect response
https://twitter.com/NicDuquette/status/1308910902658334720

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

you can't have any survivorship bias if there are no survivors :getin:

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

hmm https://twitter.com/baumard_nicolas/status/1308715606196342784

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



imo big data people shouldnt survive

unless they post in yospos, because then they are already dead

qirex
Feb 15, 2001


they just can't stop doing phrenology

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Physiognomy, not phrenology. Gotta get your racist pseudosciences straight.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

also classical portraits seems like the worst possible training set since they were usually done specifically to make the patron look awesome and their enemies look shady

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



not gonna read it, but from the illustration it just looks like the test subjects went oh hey that guy is smiling *click :like: button*

Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Sep 25, 2020

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