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Gigabyte uses Panasonic 470 not 330 caps, although I am not sure that makes much of a difference. I am a lil nervous because I ordered the Gaming OC earlier this week from Newegg, but I also don't know if it will affect me much. Listed boost is 1800 MHz so getting close to 2000 MHz seems killer to me. Is there something obvious I'm misunderstanding? Clearly there's something, otherwise EVGA wouldn't have made a statement about it.
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mA posted:Eh, all it would take a few well-connected angry nerds with money to start a class action lawsuit and that could change very quickly. Given how much animus there is right now towards Nvidia and the launch in general, anything can happen. Uh, how? If the number on the box for boost clock is for 1740Mhz and you're getting it then it's not a false claim. These crashes are happening way past the listed boost clock.
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Sep 26, 2020 08:37
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Bloodplay it again posted:Gigabyte uses Panasonic 470 not 330 caps, although I am not sure that makes much of a difference. I am a lil nervous because I ordered the Gaming OC earlier this week from Newegg, but I also don't know if it will affect me much. Listed boost is 1800 MHz so getting close to 2000 MHz seems killer to me. Is there something obvious I'm misunderstanding? Clearly there's something, otherwise EVGA wouldn't have made a statement about it. I have a Gaming OC and I’ve never seen it go higher than 1965, and then only briefly, 1935/1950 is about where it tops out. My card has been completely stable, never a single crash or blue screen. I’m going to try setting up an aggressive fan curve and see if I can get it to go higher just to experiment, but I think it’s already hitting it’s TDP at 350W draw so I dunno how much more it’ll give without loving with voltages which I’m not going to do.
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All the base 3080s are rated at 1710MHz. If they're all regularly getting past that and auto-overclocking to 1900+ out of the box, then the benchmark scores are going to reflect that. If a firmware patch caps the automatic overclock to improve stability, some people will see Number Go Down and lose their minds. Even though technically they were only guaranteed whatever fps results from a 1710MHz clock and anything beyond that is a bonus.
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Sep 26, 2020 08:51
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AirRaid posted:I’m going to try setting up an aggressive fan curve and see if I can get it to go higher just to experiment, but I think it’s already hitting it’s TDP at 350W draw so I dunno how much more it’ll give without loving with voltages which I’m not going to do. Even at 100% fan (which is fukkin loud compared to the 75-80 it usually tops at wow) my card doesn't go over 1950. And the temps are really low (mid 50s) at the point so I don't think it's the thermal regulation Tech Jesus has talked about. Pretty sure I would have to actively try to clock it that high and I'm not interested in doing that. Still happy with my purchase.
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Sep 26, 2020 09:11
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Be real cool if I could stop getting a hardware error and my games stopped crashing. At -100 from the factory overclock the Ventus tests at a 0% confidence level in afterburner. Great stuff.
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Sagebrush posted:All the base 3080s are rated at 1710MHz. If they're all regularly getting past that and auto-overclocking to 1900+ out of the box, then the benchmark scores are going to reflect that. If a firmware patch caps the automatic overclock to improve stability, some people will see Number Go Down and lose their minds. Even though technically they were only guaranteed whatever fps results from a 1710MHz clock and anything beyond that is a bonus. Ok this was essentially my understanding of it, so I appreciate the reply. Air Raid, I have been living vicariously through your posts since Monday. I even looked at just your posts earlier to see if you had posted any more about it. Out of curiosity, did you install the firmware update listed on Gigabyte's site yet? Bloodplay it again fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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Bloodplay it again posted:Ok this was essentially my understanding of it, so I appreciate the rwply. I didn't know there was one! Will take a look... what's it supposed to do? E: Can't see anything listed for the card on their site except the AORUS Engine thing which is afterburner but bad by all accounts. Got a link? AirRaid fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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Sep 26, 2020 09:36
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AirRaid posted:I didn't know there was one! Will take a look... what's it supposed to do? Beats me! There are no patch notes but I saw it listed earlier this week.
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Sep 26, 2020 09:38
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Parallelwoody posted:Be real cool if I could stop getting a hardware error and my games stopped crashing. At -100 from the factory overclock the Ventus tests at a 0% confidence level in afterburner. Great stuff. Oof that is  Send that sucker back, try to get a different brand/store credit.
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Definitely not gonna take newegg store credit. I tried lowering the power threshold and clocks, and I don't think it boosted to 2000+ in the first place. It's even more frustrating because I was getting different crashing issues with my 1080ti, and the games that were crashing with that seem to be doing ok, and the ones that were ok are now crashing with the 3080. I'm about to just chuck the whole computer and buy a ps5. I realized how much time I've spent troubleshooting these bullshit issues vs playing games and it's not in the games favor recently. Parallelwoody fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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Sep 26, 2020 09:53
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Oof, that definitely sounds like there are ~other issues~ going on there, gently caress knows what though 
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Sep 26, 2020 10:29
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Just lol at class action lawsuits because a product won’t run beyond its rated specification.
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Durzel posted:Just lol at class action lawsuits because a product won’t run beyond its rated specification. also lol at proven NOT RACIST Jay going "this is almost like 3.5gb but not really" when it's nothing like the 3.5gb fiasco.
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Sep 26, 2020 11:54
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Yeah I can't see it holding water. I sometimes wonder if the days of overclocking are starting to see the sunset since power and thermal limits are being pushed quite hard at factory settings, or if the 3080/3090 are a one-off kind of thing.
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Sep 26, 2020 11:55
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Jay is a God drat idiot and definitely bottom tier of the youtubers out there
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Sep 26, 2020 11:56
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POSCAP my clock hole.
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Sep 26, 2020 11:59
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Parallelwoody posted:Definitely not gonna take newegg store credit. I tried lowering the power threshold and clocks, and I don't think it boosted to 2000+ in the first place.
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Sep 26, 2020 12:36
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exquisite tea posted:POSCAP my clock hole. 
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Parallelwoody posted:Definitely not gonna take newegg store credit. I tried lowering the power threshold and clocks, and I don't think it boosted to 2000+ in the first place. It really sounds like there is something else wrong with your system if both GPUs are having issues.
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Thanks to whoever linked that Buildzoid video. For people who didn’t watch: aside from rambling about caps for 40 glorious minutes and mostly blaming NV for poor reference design giving partners the choice to go all solid polymer, he first says it’s a non issue if it’s OC only but checks stock clock graphs on TechPowerUp for most of the partner cards and sees that a lot of them DO run near 2GHz at stock, and most of them do blip to above 2 when the workload ceases. It does seem to be an issue at stock. I also looked at some of his other videos and he predicts HBM on Big Navi just because of the heatsink block screw hole spacing on the Radeon 6000 model AMD put in Fortnite! Says if it were G6, the screw holes would overlap with where the chips need to be for signal integrity and shows past AMD heatsink mounts to make his point. What a legend.
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Sep 26, 2020 13:48
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still in 9/23 processing gang :|
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Parallelwoody posted:Definitely not gonna take newegg store credit. I tried lowering the power threshold and clocks, and I don't think it boosted to 2000+ in the first place. What else is in your system and how old is your PSU? "Weird intermittent problems I can't track down" when not overclocking usually end up being the PSU or, less often, a bad stick of RAM.
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Sep 26, 2020 14:09
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Hardware Unboxed down in Australia are apparently getting crashes on stock setting even with the MLCC capacitors.  At least you can get your favorite V-tuber no your Zotac, lads.
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Sep 26, 2020 14:25
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The cursed images thread is thataway.
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By the way for anyone who wants to actually read about this poo poo here's a white paper from Panasonic on the comparison between the two types of capacitor, their strengths and weaknesses etc. https://www.avnet.com/wps/wcm/conne...d=1527062803823
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Vir posted:Hardware Unboxed down in Australia are apparently getting crashes on stock setting even with the MLCC capacitors. hell yeah
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AirRaid posted:By the way for anyone who wants to actually read about this poo poo here's a white paper from Panasonic on the comparison between the two types of capacitor, their strengths and weaknesses etc. TL:DR - POSCAPs are touted as a good replacement for MLCC, being more stable, and have a higher max capacitance than MLCC. E: Quote is not edit. Apparently.
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AirRaid posted:By the way for anyone who wants to actually read about this poo poo here's a white paper from Panasonic on the comparison between the two types of capacitor, their strengths and weaknesses etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
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AirRaid posted:TL:DR - POSCAPs are touted as a good replacement for MLCC, being more stable, and have a higher max capacitance than MLCC. As Buildzoid points out, not a single POSCAP appears on a single 30-series card. POSCAPs are tantalum, SP-CAPs are aluminum. Both are Panasonic brand names though and the parts on these boards are unlikely to be Panasonic. You're also reading marketing material for the automotive industry, it's like reading a raytracing denoising for offline rendering whitepaper by NVIDIA and using it to conclude all other image reconstruction techniques suck for gaming. But I don't know anything about capacitors I just know marketing whitepapers
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Vir posted:Hardware Unboxed down in Australia are apparently getting crashes on stock setting even with the MLCC capacitors. Great, now I can reallocate some of my body pillow budget to a 3080.
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exquisite tea posted:The cursed images thread is thataway. No one’s been posting screenshots of your posts though?
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exquisite tea posted:Does anybody expect Big Navi to be competitive this time around? Me, but I'm a hopeless romantic. edit. I mean just looking at what a clusterfuck Nvidia has rushed into headfirst just to claim an unquestionable price/performance crown over its own products feels like they're expecting something from AMD. Or maybe they really are just that afraid of the consoles claiming PC market, idk Jeff Fatwood fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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exquisite tea posted:Does anybody expect Big Navi to be competitive this time around? yes, but i don't care about dlss or rtx at this point in time, nor am i looking for 144hz@4k in cp2077 on ultramax or whatever
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exquisite tea posted:Does anybody expect Big Navi to be competitive this time around? With games that have no ray tracing or DLSS 2 it will be in the ballpark I'm guessing. Worse ray tracing, no DLSS equivalent and lovely drivers will be what handicap it.
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exquisite tea posted:Does anybody expect Big Navi to be competitive this time around? They're practically guaranteed to run cooler, have more memory, faster GPGPU and better Linux drivers than 3080, and that stuff matters a lot more to some people than RTX, DLSS, GSYNC and raw raster perf. Not me tho. edit: Er, run cooler if AMD doesn't pull an AMD and pushes it way outside the sweet spot trying to beat NVIDIA
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