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Any cool lifestyle focus trees-branches which are hidden gems?
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PittTheElder posted:With your Steward. Oh, derp
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Sep 26, 2020 18:01
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I'm not sure it's hidden but the (Pa/Ma)triarch tree in Diplomacy is really gross in ways you might not expect. "Befriend" is a really easy and extremely powerful scheme to begin with and the stress reduction, bonus skill points per friend, and bonus skill point per living children all add up pretty quickly to your leader becoming some kind of anime child hero who can best every conceivable challenge thanks to the power of friendship!!
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Sep 26, 2020 18:02
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Digital Osmosis posted:I'm not sure it's hidden but the (Pa/Ma)triarch tree in Diplomacy is really gross in ways you might not expect. "Befriend" is a really easy and extremely powerful scheme to begin with and the stress reduction, bonus skill points per friend, and bonus skill point per living children all add up pretty quickly to your leader becoming some kind of anime child hero who can best every conceivable challenge thanks to the power of friendship!! The Diplomacy tree is nuts. Do enough befriending and you can get your diplomacy into the 40s or 50s. Foreign leaders will still like you after you beat them in wars!
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Sep 26, 2020 18:16
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Sold. I gotta try that out lol. Is there a way to paint your religion across the map? I wanna see if I can have the whole old world become nudist sex-crazed festival-havers.
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Sep 26, 2020 18:16
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PittTheElder posted:The more I play the 867 scenario the more I'm convinced the rules for the tribal era are completely broken. Even if you manage to play a line of geniuses from start to finish, it is literally impossible to start as a tribe, feudalize, and reach parity with the 1066 starting position before 1100. It definitely takes a while to feudalize but it doesn't matter much because tribals are overpowered as heck the way they always are in Crusader Kings
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Sep 26, 2020 18:21
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Goddamn that Brian's daughter (my granddaughter) hosed my own son! Which I just before betrothed elsewhere. I revoked her Earldom of Dublin and tried to imprison her. Welp she refused and off to war... she will be easy to conquer and jail. E: Now she's jailed and I revoked her titles. Seems she doesn't need them in jail. Don't gently caress my own goddamn son when you are married and my son is betrothed! E2: and of course I wasted 250 gold since she was Duchess of Meath... and now there's no more Duchy of Meath. Ihmemies fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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Sep 26, 2020 18:32
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Has anyone ever continued as a character and found they had already romanced their spouse? I never have and that kinda pisses me off. PSA: Romance your spouses. It's usually easy, zero risk, and you earn tons of prestige doing it.
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Sep 26, 2020 18:43
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Any recommendations for a good start of somewhere I can just build my realm and spread my dynasty across the world? Don't really want to do much invading or anything, more focus on the bloodline side of things and get my family as important people everywhere
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Sep 26, 2020 19:23
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minema posted:Any recommendations for a good start of somewhere I can just build my realm and spread my dynasty across the world? Don't really want to do much invading or anything, more focus on the bloodline side of things and get my family as important people everywhere It's way overplayed and oversuggested but Ireland fits the bill too well. Only 7 counties needed for a Kingdom and then 5 or 6 more to own the entire island. You can convert to Catholicism and Crusade, you can marry your kids off to other rulers and grow your dynasty outside your borders, and there's really not too much in the way of you doing all that. You can start with a weaker character than Murchad and ramp the difficulty up. I once as Earl of Leinster had to swear fealty to Wales, England and Scotland to be able to come out on top of Ireland.
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Sep 26, 2020 19:35
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If you really want to spread your dynasty around the whole world and not just Europe, being on the far west edge of the map will limit your actions due to diplomatic range though.
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Sep 26, 2020 19:44
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Ihmemies posted:Playing the tutorial. My idiot son Brian went to a dueling spree because he wanted to be a blademaster. He went dueling while wounded. Well then some dude beat him and he went to severely wounded, then dead. RIP. At least he had two very young children and I have one child too so things could be worse. I love the dueling spree event. My daughter and heir triggered it in her 20s so I bought her the dueling instructor and she actually had an insanely high prowess due to our religion and Amazonian traits. She got wounded and then killed a King in my empire and basically suffered 0 repercussions other than the Murderer trait. I figured she settled down after that. Nope, 15 years later, she is now Obese due to being Gluttonous and feasting all the time, she is pregnant, and she’s still dueling. I just bought her another dueling instructor and then she was a very dumpy middle aged lady who so happens to be a Legendary Blademaster. She was just carving a bloody path through my vassals. Absolutely owned. I played as her when she was in her 60s and tried to lose weight, she stayed fat the rest of her life. I finally put that save down after getting Dynasty of Many Crowns just by spinning off extra kingdoms. I also sniped Genghis Khan from halfway across Asia with a spider instantly, which surprised me. Before quitting I also used the Abduct cheese to seize Constantinople without a single death, which is absurdly busted.
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Sep 26, 2020 19:49
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Hargrimm posted:If you really want to spread your dynasty around the whole world and not just Europe, being on the far west edge of the map will limit your actions due to diplomatic range though. That's a good point. Your diplomatic reach isn't farther than like Estonia.
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Sep 26, 2020 19:51
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Blimpkin posted:That's a good point. Your diplomatic reach isn't farther than like Estonia. So is it based on capitals or borders? When my African empire had a Mediterranean frontier I was able to contact Lithuania and Sweden. But I guess the Indian Ocean isn't a viable communications route in comparison? I control the horn of Africa but India is too far away
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Sep 26, 2020 21:16
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Cripes, I'm not into being a faith leader but both of my Learning runs have been the most successful by far. I went for the body of health tree just to try it out and at 80 years old I'm still in green health. I'm a religious icon with so much piety that I became a witch from reading a book, converted my priest, converted most of my family, started a coven (which also improves your health), created my own religion de-criminalizing witchcraft, bastardry and polygamy, I have four wives and about 20 legitimate heirs who I am using to make alliances with most of western europe. Soon it will be witches all the way down. Some new things I learned: when you make a new religion it looks very expensive but changing tenets and doctrines isn't as bad as it seems. When you switch from one tenet to another one you get refunded the cost of the original tenet, so a 1500 piety change may only costs 500. You can pretty much do whatever you want with about 3000 piety, which I had by 50 years old by going on regular pilgrimages. and stacking piety gain. Also, this guy was honestly a joke run. I used the character finder to find the guy with the lowest stats in the whole game who wasn't a child. He started at 2-0-0-0-2 and now has 10 diplomacy and 25 learning. I had good councilors, who seem vastly more important than my own character stats. Plus my entire court loves me because I'm "compassionate" and kept making the morally positive choices.
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Sep 26, 2020 21:27
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The learning perk that gives you bonuses from all your councilors is amazing
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Sep 26, 2020 21:28
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The learning perk that gives you bonuses from all your councilors is amazing That whole tree in general is amazing.
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Sep 26, 2020 21:35
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Yeah Ireland is nice but I've done it a few times now and as mentioned your reach is a bit more limited. I was thinking a central European country maybe but they tend to get absorbed a lot more easily. I wouldn't mind playing as a vassal though I suppose. If your religion has polygamy/concubines do children by them count as your dynasty?
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Sep 26, 2020 21:45
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minema posted:Yeah Ireland is nice but I've done it a few times now and as mentioned your reach is a bit more limited. I was thinking a central European country maybe but they tend to get absorbed a lot more easily. I wouldn't mind playing as a vassal though I suppose. If your religion has polygamy/concubines do children by them count as your dynasty? If your tenet has polygamy, children from all your wives are legitimate heirs (Isolated Christianity is an easy way to pick it up if it spreads in your playthrough). I actually find playing vassals of big kingdoms maybe more fun than starting as a king because you can sneakily overthrow a kingdom from the inside and make power grabs for huge swathes of land without war as long as you make good marriage arrangements and the right skills. Counts just take more time than Dukes to get going. All the while you're under the protection of your liege and don't even need to join him in his wars. Chewbot fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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Sep 26, 2020 21:52
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So uh the King of Denmark has an heir (eldest son), and that son's only living son seems to have gotten betrothed to my son's 2nd daughter. The first one is in jail... How can my house or Ireland benefit from this arrangement? Seems that my son's daughter's husband could be the King of Denmark one day. https://hakkarainen.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Games/ck3/1158310_screenshots_20200926235408_1.jpg Ihmemies fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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Sep 26, 2020 21:52
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Ihmemies posted:So uh the King of Denmark has an heir (eldest son), and that son's only living son seems to have gotten betrothed to my son's 2nd daughter. The first one is in jail... Doesn't look like its matrilineal, so the best you can get is an alliance. Unless you start doing some incest...
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Sep 26, 2020 21:58
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Technowolf posted:Doesn't look like its matrilineal, so the best you can get is an alliance. I really didn't look what happened to the people in my family while still learning to play the game... so some accidents like this happened. Uhh so if I got an alliance with Denmark I could maybe try to conquer Scotland or Wales? I can't do it alone at least for now because they seem to have allies and/or larger armies  quote:Unless you start doing some incest... Tell me more.. 
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Sep 26, 2020 22:06
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space uncle posted:I played as her when she was in her 60s and tried to lose weight, she stayed fat the rest of her life. I can't recall if it was mentioned here, but the full details of why weight loss isn't working have been discovered. The decision procs only once every three years and when it succeeds - which it won't always - you lose 4 weight units. Every time you go to a feast, whether you're hosting it or not, you automatically gain 4 weight units. Basically, to have any chance of losing Obese you need to instantly take the decision as soon as you get the trait and stop going to any feasts ever because just one can set you back ten years.
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Sep 26, 2020 22:33
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Ihmemies posted:I really didn't look what happened to the people in my family while still learning to play the game... so some accidents like this happened. Uhh so if I got an alliance with Denmark I could maybe try to conquer Scotland or Wales? I can't do it alone at least for now because they seem to have allies and/or larger armies I also like to betroth my infants to adults and then break the betrothal before they come of age, sometimes even the ruler/person who accepted the betrothal dies in battle with no heir, because my niece is still 6 years old. I've been a real piece of poo poo as a ruler so far I'm realizing.
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Sep 26, 2020 22:35
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Jedit posted:I can't recall if it was mentioned here, but the full details of why weight loss isn't working have been discovered. The decision procs only once every three years and when it succeeds - which it won't always - you lose 4 weight units. Every time you go to a feast, whether you're hosting it or not, you automatically gain 4 weight units. Basically, to have any chance of losing Obese you need to instantly take the decision as soon as you get the trait and stop going to any feasts ever because just one can set you back ten years. too fuckin real paradox
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Sep 26, 2020 22:36
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Jedit posted:I can't recall if it was mentioned here, but the full details of why weight loss isn't working have been discovered. The decision procs only once every three years and when it succeeds - which it won't always - you lose 4 weight units. Every time you go to a feast, whether you're hosting it or not, you automatically gain 4 weight units. Basically, to have any chance of losing Obese you need to instantly take the decision as soon as you get the trait and stop going to any feasts ever because just one can set you back ten years. Yeah maybe I shouldn’t have picked the feast tenet for my religion, almost everybody in my empire is obese now. Councilors usually die of fatness in their 60s.
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Sep 26, 2020 22:38
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Ihmemies posted:I really didn't look what happened to the people in my family while still learning to play the game... so some accidents like this happened. Uhh so if I got an alliance with Denmark I could maybe try to conquer Scotland or Wales? I can't do it alone at least for now because they seem to have allies and/or larger armies If you marry the great-grandson who will inherit Ireland to a daughter of your Granddaughter you should be able to start stabbing your dynasty on to a combined throne
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Sep 26, 2020 23:03
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PittTheElder posted:The more I play the 867 scenario the more I'm convinced the rules for the tribal era are completely broken. Even if you manage to play a line of geniuses from start to finish, it is literally impossible to start as a tribe, feudalize, and reach parity with the 1066 starting position before 1100. I disagree with the first part. In my experience, tribal rulers get a fuckton of units, and don't make as much money but can raid. After I converted to feudal, my biggest threat was Sweden, who remained tribal while I struggled to get up to speed. It took a little while, but around 1150ish I'm super strong and just repulsed a catholic holy war for England almost singlehandedly. The border gore is real, though.
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Sep 26, 2020 23:48
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Not only top level border gore is real, but border gore within empires and kingdoms is a complete disaster. I presume it's partly because high crown authority seems completely broken, partly because vassals in big empires will keep expanding into weak neighbours on their own, and partly because vassals keep losing liberty wars and having their own internal border gore. It's just fractal enclaves within enclaves all the way down.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:03
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I had no idea what border gore was until I just looked it up and now I'm laughing my rear end off. Apparently this kind of thing happened a lot until the 18th century. A real example from 1400s:  And allegedly William the Conqueror in England was so worried about succession problems that he granted the thousands of manors to random followers intentionally splintering the realm into tiny pockets that couldn't coordinate against him. There were no counties or duchies at all, and he even expanded giving away property over the channel to Normandy where it started seeping into the mainland. Chewbot fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Sep 27, 2020 |
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Sep 27, 2020 00:18
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Chewbot posted:I had no idea what border gore was until I just looked it up and now I'm laughing my rear end off. I always laugh when modders are like "you have to model the accurate borders of Liege!!!! "  Also that one province that's like in three distinct pieces with exclaves surrounded entirely by two other provinces whose name i forget
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Sep 27, 2020 00:23
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Yeah I think it's probably a combination of three things:
Glass of Milk posted:I disagree with the first part. In my experience, tribal rulers get a fuckton of units, and don't make as much money but can raid. After I converted to feudal, my biggest threat was Sweden, who remained tribal while I struggled to get up to speed. It took a little while, but around 1150ish I'm super strong and just repulsed a catholic holy war for England almost singlehandedly. I mean from a pure power perspective it isn't an issue at all. It's just kind of annoying that you can't come close to the tech progress you'd get from the 1066 start, or from your settled-start neighbors. I consider it a rules and balance issue if the 867 start played until 1066 will never resemble the 1066 start. Maybe not in terms of polities due to butterfly effects or whatever, but innovations are culture based, and those are mostly static.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:27
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What’s some advice for breaking up a powerful vassal? I am king of England, Wales, and soon to be Ireland, but one of my dukes has 7 duchies. 5 of them have their own inheritance rules (which is how I think they’ll all wind up going to his primary heir). Murdering won’t help, since the heir will be as powerful as he is.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:28
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Trevor Hale posted:What’s some advice for breaking up a powerful vassal? I am king of England, Wales, and soon to be Ireland, but one of my dukes has 7 duchies. 5 of them have their own inheritance rules (which is how I think they’ll all wind up going to his primary heir). Murdering won’t help, since the heir will be as powerful as he is. Revoke them and redistribute them. Eat the tyranny if you have to. If you can imprison him first he won't get a chance to fight back. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Sep 27, 2020 |
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Sep 27, 2020 00:31
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Trevor Hale posted:What’s some advice for breaking up a powerful vassal? I am king of England, Wales, and soon to be Ireland, but one of my dukes has 7 duchies. 5 of them have their own inheritance rules (which is how I think they’ll all wind up going to his primary heir). Murdering won’t help, since the heir will be as powerful as he is. Can you kill the heir? Can you get a hook on the guy and imprison him while you make claims? I'd honestly try to murder the heir, and then acquire claims, at least one, to provoke him to revolt, you'd be able to revoke it all once his a traitor.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:34
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Blimpkin posted:Can you kill the heir? Can you get a hook on the guy and imprison him while you make claims? I'd honestly try to murder the heir, and then acquire claims, at least one, to provoke him to revolt, you'd be able to revoke it all once his a traitor. He’s been very resistant to hooks. Finding secrets gas netter nothing in him or his predecessor for 40 years
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Sep 27, 2020 00:36
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eXXon posted:Not only top level border gore is real, but border gore within empires and kingdoms is a complete disaster. I presume it's partly because high crown authority seems completely broken, partly because vassals in big empires will keep expanding into weak neighbours on their own, and partly because vassals keep losing liberty wars and having their own internal border gore. Four generations of careful (and tyrannical) micromanagement   That cluster of counties west of Wagadu is about to be consolidated into a duchy. The only bothersome things are Abyssinia owning territories all the way in the west (but since they control the land where my University will be built, I'm roleplaying it as a concession), Adiukru owning that one random county near the western crown port, and that one weird Igbo-Benue peninsula splitting Oyo. Otherwise I think this is fine.   As opposed to the west which are the core lands of the empire and I hold most of the kingdoms, the east is newly consolidated territory so I have devolved it to the Five Kingdoms (centered on Abyssinia)  Starting to think that Unite Africa might be a real possibility! Islam is on the decline, the world powers are me, the Byzantines, and a newly united Indian empire. I am hoping to grab Egypt before I end up with conflicts with the Byzantines over it. Also lol that there's an event/decision where your monarch realizes "There's only a century left before the world ends" that you get around 1350
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Sep 27, 2020 00:43
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Trevor Hale posted:What’s some advice for breaking up a powerful vassal? I am king of England, Wales, and soon to be Ireland, but one of my dukes has 7 duchies. 5 of them have their own inheritance rules (which is how I think they’ll all wind up going to his primary heir). Murdering won’t help, since the heir will be as powerful as he is. If you fabricate a claim on his counties you can revoke them without getting any tyranny. If you don't have a hook on him he might choose to rebel so just be ready for that. Or you could try to get a hook on his heir or imprison him, and then just wait for dad to die and all his titles to pass on. Are you fabricating hooks or just using your spymaster to find secrets in his realm?
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Sep 27, 2020 00:49
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Can you not integrate over sea provinces? I’d like to make sardinia part of a Kingdom of Sicily and Sardinia but the option isn’t available. Destroyed the Corsica and Sardinia kingdom already.
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RIP Ida, my 68-year-old physician, who was having an affair with the Holy Roman Emperor (30 years her junior), allowing me to blackmail him into no taxes. Oh, also she saved me when I was sick and possibly dying, which was nice too.
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