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As far as I recall the only truly painful hammer to be given randomly is the spear one that shortens your dash to be worthless, though I understand why people might hate the ones that change the attack rhythm
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There are a few others I'm aware of - there's the rail special that damages you, the rapid fire bow that doesn't let you power shot (although this upgrade is so strong that it's probably good no matter what), some people think bombs are better than missiles, big chop, cursed slash taking away 60% of your hp can be bad, etc. I don't really ever like taking it except swapping into upgrades with anvil counts towards prophecies which is sweet.
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Sep 26, 2020 23:20
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No Wave posted:There are a few others I'm aware of - there's the rail special that damages you, the rapid fire bow that doesn't let you power shot (although this upgrade is so strong that it's probably good no matter what), some people think bombs are better than missiles, big chop, cursed slash taking away 60% of your hp can be bad, etc. I don't really ever like taking it except swapping into upgrades with anvil counts towards prophecies which is sweet. I got rapid fire bow + chain lightning on my best run so far. I was cackling like a madman.
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Sep 26, 2020 23:23
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No Wave posted:There are a few others I'm aware of - there's the rail special that damages you, the rapid fire bow that doesn't let you power shot (although this upgrade is so strong that it's probably good no matter what), some people think bombs are better than missiles, big chop, cursed slash taking away 60% of your hp can be bad, etc. I don't really ever like taking it except swapping into upgrades with anvil counts towards prophecies which is sweet. That rail special upgrade seems pretty good so far though, the increase in damage radius +300% damage means just about everything in Elysian and Styx are much less bothersome due to melting in three-four casts max, two if I can slap Aphrodite special boon on it. Add some Artemis or Dionysus to attack and even Theseus + Astorios can be burst down in two minutes or less if I can get them to pack up together. As for you being damaged if you池e in the zone, Dash exists.
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Sep 26, 2020 23:34
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Harold Fjord posted:As far as I recall the only truly painful hammer to be given randomly is the spear one that shortens your dash to be worthless, though I understand why people might hate the ones that change the attack rhythm I had that on my last spear run and I was cool with it. Triple attack on dash is very powerful. Combo it with something that stacks like chill and you're golden.
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Sep 26, 2020 23:58
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Triple dash attack with the spear is bananas
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Sep 27, 2020 00:00
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The giant rail special is bonkers, it's a massive damage increase that hits for like 1k a pop by endgame when built into and if you hit yourself you only take 8 damage or so iirc The spear spread is a pretty bad trap hammer, it almost halves the range and I don't think each spear is a seperate attack either, (or they're just too far apart to hit one target)
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Sep 27, 2020 00:00
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Does anyone buy stuff from the wells of Charon? I basically never do and I知 worried I知 playing the game wrong.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:04
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Badger of Basra posted:Does anyone buy stuff from the wells of Charon? I basically never do and I’m worried I’m playing the game wrong. You can get really cheap damage boosts and stuff that are great. ~30g to make Elysium rooms easier is a no brainer for me, but sometimes the stuff isn't great. The increased power on your next boon is also good if you've got cash.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:06
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Just got my first clear!  Eurydice gave me a crazy rarity upgrade to Dionysus' full heal at fountains that gave me a stacking 6% bonus damage for every fountain I used. Badger of Basra posted:Does anyone buy stuff from the wells of Charon? I basically never do and I知 worried I知 playing the game wrong. Generally only health, really.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:07
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:The giant rail special is bonkers, it's a massive damage increase that hits for like 1k a pop by endgame when built into and if you hit yourself you only take 8 damage or so iirc
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Sep 27, 2020 00:10
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I thought I was going insane but it turns out the game plays a very characteristic "ding!" sound when a fishing point spawns in a room.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:12
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Badger of Basra posted:Does anyone buy stuff from the wells of Charon? I basically never do and I知 worried I知 playing the game wrong. Pickups I'll take on a regular basis: Centaur Soul, Gaea's Treasure, Fateful Twist, Light of Ixion, Night Spindle, Price of Midas, Skeletal Lure, Trove Tracker, Yarn of Ariadne. Healing items are nice if you're low on health. The other items for encounters are okay, but benefit more from using Charon's keepsake, but I'd rather use other keepsakes.
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Badger of Basra posted:Does anyone buy stuff from the wells of Charon? I basically never do and I知 worried I知 playing the game wrong. all the time. pretty much always snag the darkness/gemstone ones on a new save, ariadne's thread is a no brainer, the death defiance refill is nice if you need it. there's one that increases trap damage done to enemies that is great for elysium and the temple as well
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Sep 27, 2020 00:15
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Any recommendations on weapon upgrades to look into first? I plan to get them all but the price gets expensive quick with titan blood showing down so far so I don't want to buy something useless and be stuck farming more. I just have the heart seeking bow and chaos shield at first level and I feel like they don't pay off until I start maxing. Edit: do you get new bounty rewards for using different weapon aspects, out is it only for a completely different weapon? PageMaster fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Sep 27, 2020 |
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Sep 27, 2020 00:16
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The Death Defiance recharge can be nice too if you need it and have the cash, it's definitely saved my hide a few times.PageMaster posted:Any recommendations on weapon upgrades to look into first? I plan to get them all but the price gets expensive quick with titan blood showing down so far so I don't want to buy something useless and be stuck farming more. I just have the heart seeking bow and chaos shield at first level and I feel like they don't pay off until I start maxing. Honestly it's mostly just "go with what you enjoy and feel most comfortable with". The Zag aspects are all pretty cheap and offer good stat boosts without altering the weapon. My first clear was with the spear with a maxed out Zag aspect and a special build.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:20
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Badger of Basra posted:Does anyone buy stuff from the wells of Charon? I basically never do and I知 worried I知 playing the game wrong. The anti-armor items are great utility for value, especially because the only other way to go anti-armor is through a hammer. Also don't sleep on the ones that just add damage if they sync well with your build. I don't have any math to back it up but I think unless you're saving for a diamond/blood in styx the wells are a very effecient way of spending gold, just...temporary
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Sep 27, 2020 00:25
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YoshiOfYellow posted:The Death Defiance recharge can be nice too if you need it and have the cash, it's definitely saved my hide a few times. People not liking Artemis forget that she has two Boons for Death Defiance that immediately return a charge when taken. That's huge if you're running on empty late game.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:26
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So I picked this up a couple of days ago after seeing it pop up in the switch store, and it's exactly as good as I expected a Super Giant joint to be. Getting over milestones felt pretty fast at first, although I can tell actually beating Hades is just the beginning. Oh dang, this Hydra sucks--> well I've got this Hydra down but the happy couple feels like a wall-->Hades, gently caress--> second phase?! gently caress!! What really makes it work for me are all the little interpersonal stories that advance as you go too. I already get the feeling that Artemis has Something Important she wants to tell me in private, but the last couple of times she's tried Aphrodite showed up and teased her into dropping it. How Olympian.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:27
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Badger of Basra posted:Does anyone buy stuff from the wells of Charon? I basically never do and I知 worried I知 playing the game wrong. The special stubborn defiance item is I think extremely strong but I don't use stubborn defiance. No Wave fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Sep 27, 2020 |
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Sep 27, 2020 00:32
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I don't like to hoard money except in certain circumstances so I usually buy at least one thing when I stop by a well. You can get ridiculous value for them by taking the Charon keepsake too.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:38
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I always hoard money to buy a Diamond/Blood in Styx. Extra poms and boons and hearts are great, but unless you can be sure you're timing the temporary Well boosts to use against a boss, they're usually a waste.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:49
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Fedule posted:I thought I was going insane but it turns out the game plays a very characteristic "ding!" sound when a fishing point spawns in a room. It uses sound a lot to hint about things that might appear off screen when you finish a room. There's a echoing chime noise to let you know a chaos portal has unlocked. There's a low hum when there's a trove in the room. Sort of a firey noise when a erebus portal opens on higher heat levels. And a sort of clanking unlocking noise when a well of charon opens. It's a clever design, because as soon as you figure out what sound goes with what thing, you start to subconsciously pay attention whenever you hear them without having to think about it.
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Sep 27, 2020 00:58
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Waffle! posted:People not liking Artemis forget that she has two Boons for Death Defiance that immediately return a charge when taken. That's huge if you're running on empty late game. That's because Athena has them 
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Man, I was so close to finally escaping this time, but I just couldn't clutch out that last 1/4 HP of Hades's second health bar. Oh well, I honestly didn't expect to get past Elysium with the Bow anyway, so it was pretty cool to get so close. E: Though for what it's worth, I was surprised by how much the bow basically hard countered Theseus. King of Solomon fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Sep 27, 2020 |
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Sep 27, 2020 01:03
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How's the Guan Yu aspect? I just unlocked the Rama aspect which is amazing. Just need to save up the blood again!
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Sep 27, 2020 01:06
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It's a bit unwieldy without the faster spin attacks hammer but it can be neat. Until you explode all your defiance stacks in Styx on 400% damage traps like a moron. 
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i had 60% dodge just now thanks to the keepsake, fists and a 20% boon and hades only managed to hit me once while i just stood there hitting him, good stuff
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Sep 27, 2020 01:16
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How do you make the bow worthwhile. In my opinion it sucks and I won't put blood into it because the other weapons are better and more fun (except the shield it's also not fun). I think it's the charge up attacks. Not my style.
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JBP posted:How do you make the bow worthwhile. In my opinion it sucks and I won't put blood into it because the other weapons are better and more fun (except the shield it's also not fun). I think it's the charge up attacks. Not my style.
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JBP posted:How do you make the bow worthwhile. In my opinion it sucks and I won't put blood into it because the other weapons are better and more fun (except the shield it's also not fun). I think it's the charge up attacks. Not my style. Do powershots, receive damage.
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JBP posted:How do you make the bow worthwhile. In my opinion it sucks and I won't put blood into it because the other weapons are better and more fun (except the shield it's also not fun). I think it's the charge up attacks. Not my style.
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JBP posted:How do you make the bow worthwhile. In my opinion it sucks and I won't put blood into it because the other weapons are better and more fun (except the shield it's also not fun). I think it's the charge up attacks. Not my style. Use the special up close like a shotgun, with Chiron the up close part is optional. Or unlock Hera lvl1 and blow things up with triple cast loaded shots.
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Just got to get the dash power shot rhythm. Using a combination of that and shotgun special. Both are strong but your build will probably drift towards one or the other. Special favors zues, dio, Dem, who all are pretty bad on the attack if you don't auto fire. Crit powershots are amazing.
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Sep 27, 2020 01:31
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Flipswitch posted:Try with the rapid fire hammer? The bow is really good. All of its aspects are great imo. There's also a hammer which makes shots rebound to nearby enemies. If you get both of those they're incredible at spreading debuffs.
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PageMaster posted:Any recommendations on weapon upgrades to look into first? I plan to get them all but the price gets expensive quick with titan blood showing down so far so I don't want to buy something useless and be stuck farming more. I just have the heart seeking bow and chaos shield at first level and I feel like they don't pay off until I start maxing. Some aspects are reallly good with just one level, others don't shine until you max them out. Here's my picks for early upgrades: For just 1-2 blood:
I haven't found anything amazing for Spear yet. Maybe Aspect of Hades is good, I haven't tried it. And no, different aspects don't get different bounties.
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The bow owns unbelievably, it's a shotgun and rapidfire sniper rifle rolled into one and it only gets better with hammers. The Chiron aspect is fun as hell (when upgraded a little) and certain hammers on that thing absolutely feel like cheating sometimes, but just crank the special damage as high as you can and put your favourite status on it (I used chill, but hangover would be very handy for bosses and pushback would probably be hilarious) and watch those numbers soar. On my last run with it I got the +4 arrows on special (for 10 arrows total) plus freeze plus the thing that turns ten stacks of freeze into an explosion. This is actually the opposite of a synergy because it means you can't keep freeze on anyone and 100 damage isn't really that much at this point but it didn't matter, it was just doing so much damage. On the other hand, I picked Guan Yu for the last run and, like, man, never again. I don't understand it at all. The damage seems great but turned out not to be that useful, although the special was handy I guess? It's just... what's with the health thing? Why is this admittedly slightly more powerful moveset balanced in this way, as opposed to literally any other way? It was such a weird, stressful run. But on the other other hand I won that run, somehow, so, ?
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Peewi posted:Do powershots, receive damage. My main problem is that against bosses it feels extremely cumbersome to use versus virtually any other weapon that lets you smoothly tie together dash, dash attack and attack damage. Charge time is also time you're not using dash or cast, so the damage might appear fine, but it's nowhere near a string of attacks, dashes and specials applying three debuffs constantly.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:The Rail and Spear don't have any super outstanding low-cost upgrades. Aspect of Hestia for the rail is great when you can afford 16 blood -- it turns it into a sniper rifle instead of a full-auto machine gun, and it does tons of damage. Zagreus Aspect is good on the spear. It is a great set of stats for the special and with good boons and hammers that spear throw will absolutely do tons of work.
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I've been using Zag on spear recently as well and yeah it's good, I'm enjoying it a lot more than Hades and Guan Yu. I still need to play around with Achilles because I think you can do some fun stuff with casts and artemis calls using it.
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