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How do you get a crew to want to get off a nuclear wessel? In Alameda?
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I would have liked to see Bozeman, Montana.... *dies*
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Sep 26, 2020 20:43
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I'm not a naval officer, I'm Section 31. Shecktion 31?
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Sep 27, 2020 00:02
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Drone posted:I would have liked to see Bozeman.... *dies* 
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Sep 27, 2020 01:18
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We will pass through the Romulan patrols, past their senshor nets. We will lay off Romulus and drink their romulan ale while we reverse the polarities. Then we will sail to Ryeshah where the sun is warm and so is the comradeship.
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Sep 27, 2020 02:54
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Connery would have looked great in one of those TOS movie uniforms.
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Sep 27, 2020 03:03
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The_Doctor posted:Connery would have looked great in one of those TOS movie uniforms. Didn't they want him for a role? I could have sworn they tried to get Connery in a film.
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Sep 27, 2020 08:15
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Of all the SNL alumina they could conjure up to teach Data about humor, Joe Piscopo? Edit: Oh dear god a Jerry Lewis bit, gently caress!
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Sep 27, 2020 08:34
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side_burned posted:Of all the SNL alumina they could conjure up to teach Data about humor, Joe Piscopo? That episode is truly outrageous. Also Teri Hatcher running around and the pregnant daughter later showed up in SeaQuest DSV
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Sep 27, 2020 08:44
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side_burned posted:Of all the SNL alumina they could conjure up to teach Data about humor, Joe Piscopo? They actually wanted Jerry Lewis for the role, but he was busy with other shows.
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Sep 27, 2020 09:11
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twistedmentat posted:Didn't they want him for a role? I could have sworn they tried to get Connery in a film. Shatner wanted Connery to play Sybok. They couldn't afford him, but tossed in a reference to him by naming the planet Sha Ka Ree. (Get it?)
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Sep 27, 2020 09:31
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Timby posted:Shatner wanted Connery to play Sybok. They couldn't afford him, but tossed in a reference to him by naming the planet Sha Ka Ree. (Get it?) ST5 is the gift that keeps on giving
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Sep 27, 2020 13:49
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Timby posted:Shatner wanted Connery to play Sybok. They couldn't afford him, but tossed in a reference to him by naming the planet Sha Ka Ree. (Get it?) Oh god dammit. Though he would have been pretty good as Sybok. Humerus posted:ST5 is the gift that keeps on giving No matter how good of a line "What does God need with a Starship?" is, the movie is just bad.
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Sep 27, 2020 17:29
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twistedmentat posted:Oh god dammit. Though he would have been pretty good as Sybok. At least it's entertaining bad unlike Insurrection's boring bad or Nemesis' incomprehensible bad.
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Sep 27, 2020 17:51
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twistedmentat posted:No matter how good of a line "What does God need with a Starship?" is, the movie is just bad. The Final Frontier was cheesy and stupid, for sure, but it’s really fun. I hated it when I was younger because I was serious about Star Trek and its dopey tone made me see red. But having watched it again last year I found it super endearing. It’s like so-bad-it’s-good fan fiction given a Hollywood budget. And the soundtrack is pretty great, especially “A Busy Man” which is basically a prototype of First Contact’s main theme.
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Sep 27, 2020 17:53
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Phylodox posted:And the soundtrack is pretty great, especially “A Busy Man” which is basically a prototype of First Contact’s main theme. ST5's rendition of the Klingon leitmotif has always been my favorite version of that particular tune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwRVtn5xxas&t=180s
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Sep 27, 2020 18:15
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pyrotek posted:They actually wanted Jerry Lewis for the role, but he was busy with other shows. Brent Spiner and Jerry Lewis both going in and out of Lewis's stage persona actually sounds interesting. I never really noticed how demanding of a role Data was they really needed an actor who could shift from Data's normal mode to doing some bit where Data is mimicking some type of human behavior (usually badly) and back again; Datalore is the first good episode in series mainly because you get to watch Spiner shift gears between Data and Lore sometime in the same shot.
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Sep 27, 2020 18:46
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side_burned posted:Brent Spiner and Jerry Lewis both going in and out of Lewis's stage persona actually sounds interesting. I never really noticed how demanding of a role Data was they really needed an actor who could shift from Data's normal mode to doing some bit where Data is mimicking some type of human behavior (usually badly) and back again; Datalore is the first good episode in series mainly because you get to watch Spiner shift gears between Data and Lore sometime in the same shot. Spiner is actually really talented at comedy. And now that I think about it, you'd kind of have to be a capable comedian to play a character like Data, who fails to be funny whenever he tries to be, but is frequently funny inadvertently.
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Sep 27, 2020 19:18
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Spiner isn’t a very dynamic actor, but his comedic timing is brilliant and in another universe probably would have been pretty decent at standup or in the sitcom circuit.
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Sep 27, 2020 19:28
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"Geordi, I cannot stun my cat"
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Sep 27, 2020 19:43
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In retrospect, I notice that this was the first episode where Mariner was a full-on minor character. Her story at the start was just the basic setup and she didn't even do any particular Marinerisms to the plot during it. Also, it seems like they've pretty much expanded the four main upper decks characters to five, the chief engineer seems to basically be on par with Shanx and T'ana at this point.
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Sep 28, 2020 02:45
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Phylodox posted:The Final Frontier was cheesy and stupid, for sure, but it’s really fun. I hated it when I was younger because I was serious about Star Trek and its dopey tone made me see red. But having watched it again last year I found it super endearing. It’s like so-bad-it’s-good fan fiction given a Hollywood budget. And the soundtrack is pretty great, especially “A Busy Man” which is basically a prototype of First Contact’s main theme.
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Sep 28, 2020 02:48
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MikeJF posted:In retrospect, I notice that this was the first episode where Mariner was a full-on minor character. Her story at the start was just the basic setup and she didn't even do any particular Marinerisms to the plot during it. Anything that gets Paul Scheer more work makes me insanely happy. Although it makes me wonder if Mantzoukas will make a voice appearance.
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Sep 28, 2020 03:12
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FlamingLiberal posted:Parts of it are fun but it seriously feels like 3-4 movie scripts bolted onto one another It's just a second-draft script that was rushed into production.
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HD DAD posted:Spiner isn’t a very dynamic actor, but his comedic timing is brilliant and in another universe probably would have been pretty decent at standup or in the sitcom circuit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee4jlGUYRiM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-erRnMjjU7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE6brM24yIA apparently had to chose between becoming a regular on night court and doing star trek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxBn80z13kc&t=241s Brute Squad fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Sep 28, 2020 08:02
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Tiggum posted:It's a Picard reference. What is a good combination of  +  with a hint of  We know it's a reference you twit. That can be a type of humor. If you want to say that not all forms of humor are "jokes" then sure fine but its conversational shorthand. It's ok not to like the style of humor that Lower Decks is, but this technically it is not a joke therefore my laugh protocol did not engage and it is objectively bad beep boop is insufferable Mostly the references are low-points, humor wise, but not all of them. It's a new show, and I think it hits more than it misses.
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Sep 28, 2020 14:55
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The Bloop posted:What is a good combination of I appreciate the fact that they're both running traditional A+B plots, that they're having some fun with Sci-Fi concepts, and while I think most of us agree that the "remember X? Remember Y" shout out references don't work for us, there's still a lot of good in this show. This show is far, far better than I was expecting, as well. I've enjoyed every episode. I'm not waiting for how this is going to disappoint me like Discovery and Picard, partially because this is episodic. If there's a plot I'm not that invested in, it's okay because next week is different, and if there's one I do enjoy, I can enjoy it and not worry about how they're going to undermine it in a couple episodes (looking at you, Hugh and the reclaimed Borg plot!)
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Sep 29, 2020 16:48
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I really think the high plot must have gotten hijacked by studio/marketing types when they signed Ryan I'm glad she was there because she's great, but ugh that wet fart of a conclusion to a great narrative hook plus doing icheb dirty Not good
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Sep 29, 2020 16:56
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The Bloop posted:I really think the high plot must have gotten hijacked by studio/marketing types when they signed Ryan I should have clarified that the entire Borg plot was unfulfilling, including Seven. VVDefinitely. It's unfortunate because there could have been a balance between Hugh and Seven. Hugh was connected with the Borg after working with them forever. It works for him to be beyond angry and to take over the cube after seeing the Borg being killed. Seven was disconnected and fought it and wasn't emotionally connected to them. MichiganCubbie fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Sep 29, 2020 17:17
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MichiganCubbie posted:I should have clarified that the entire Borg plot was unfulfilling, including Seven. Sure that's true I'm just saying it isn't Jerry Ryan's fault All the most interesting ideas in Picard were left to die on the vine so we could have dumb stupid poo poo instead
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Sep 29, 2020 17:20
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If the entire season had been about Picard and Seven trying to help the ex-Borg who were being experimented on by Romulans, that would have fit both characters so much more. I don't understand why they chose to do the Skynet / Mass Effect plot, especially right after season 2 of Discovery did such a similar plot.
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Sep 30, 2020 02:30
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 when u gotta cold start your warp reactor
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Lord Krangdar posted:If the entire season had been about Picard and Seven trying to help the ex-Borg who were being experimented on by Romulans, that would have fit both characters so much more. I don't understand why they chose to do the Skynet / Mass Effect plot, especially right after season 2 of Discovery did such a similar plot. It's pretty baffling. You want to do Borgs, fine. You got two strong characters with Borg pasts (three if you're bringing in Hugh, why not) and it makes total sense that the previously Borged would be discriminated against/experimented on by Romulans. Have them fight for their rights to live as people again. You can throw in the android stuff in that too, why not. We've seen the Federation fail to live up to its ideals a hundred times and have to be pushed by our main characters. Classic Trek poo poo and fits perfectly with Picard's character. And for your current day relevance the ex Borgs = refugees angle is right there. I don't get it. Michael Chabon is a great author. Did that skill not translate to TV, was it hosed with by the network, did he just whiff? I didn't hate Picard like a lot of people do but it definitely failed to deliver. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Sep 30, 2020 |
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Sep 30, 2020 04:41
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Grand Fromage posted:I don't get it. Michael Chabon is a great author. Did that skill not translate to TV, was it hosed with by the network, did he just whiff? I didn't hate Picard like a lot of people do but it definitely failed to deliver. The show had like 12
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Grand Fromage posted:It's pretty baffling. You want to do Borgs, fine. You got two strong characters with Borg pasts (three if you're bringing in Hugh, why not) and it makes total sense that the previously Borged would be discriminated against/experimented on by Romulans. Have them fight for their rights to live as people again. You can throw in the android stuff in that too, why not. We've seen the Federation fail to live up to its ideals a hundred times and have to be pushed by our main characters. Classic Trek poo poo and fits perfectly with Picard's character. And for your current day relevance the ex Borgs = refugees angle is right there. Chabon is a great writer, but his skill set may not have translated over to screenwriting, which is a different beast. Also, he’s paired up with Voyager novel author Beyer, whose only screen credits up to that point were the worst episodes of Discovery. Throw both of them under Kurtzman and Stewart, and you have a recipe for....not good.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:08
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For some reason Picard was fly-by-wire. https://trekmovie.com/2020/09/29/interview-jonathan-frakes-talks-directing-star-trek-picard-season-2-wants-more-riker-troi-family/ quote:So I was directing episodes four and five. The nightclub episode and the one with the nuns, a couple of great episodes. And Patrick was in fabulous form. And there was no mention of this “Nepenthe” story, which ended up being episode seven. Then somewhere late in the shooting of those two episodes, I guess there was a meeting about it, and then they called and said, “What do you think about doing this?” And I said, “What do you think I think?” [laughs] But it was not part of the plan. When they broke the season, there was no Rikers-in-the-cabin thing. It happened somewhere during a re-break. I don’t know, but I’m so grateful. And it was such a great episode and so well received. So Frakes was finishing direction Episode 5. Why were they still in flux about Episode 7? They didn't know for sure what they were doing 2+ weeks from then. That's ridiculous. Is it so much to ask that they write the season before they start filming, and that they have a solid idea where it's going? And also the first 3 episodes of Picard used to be two episodes, but they expanded it. The flashbacks were added later in production.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:16
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lol remember when people said "oh, short seasons and internet streaming will mean writers can plan out the most exquisitely written plot arcs"
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Sep 30, 2020 05:22
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xerxus posted:And also the first 3 episodes of Picard used to be two episodes, but they expanded it. The flashbacks were added later in production. That explains why those first ones were so slow. Discovery famously was even worse, rewriting episodes and building sets on the same episode that was currently filming. CBS seems like they don't really know how to do this poo poo at all. There's rumours around that they had to rush production on the later lower decks too because CBS surprised them with the '23 weeks of trek' and they thought they had more time before the back five aired, which I can absolutely believe. Awww man only two more episodes of LDS.  And they're only just recently starting season two, apparently.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:53
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I think there are few too many people running media right now that think people need to have the highest stakes in everything. You can't do a story that doesn't have world ending problems to overcome, because people won't get invested, or so they think.
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Because it's very, very easy and those few people are deeply uncreative. "Save all life in the galaxy" helpfully comes with its goals and motivations baked in. You just swap out the protagonist names and method of destruction, shove it in the microwave and you're done.
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