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Hippolyta night baby. Will she travel in time to try to bring back Uncle George? Who knows?
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Doltos posted:They're not and you like a hack but that's okay if people don't agree with my perception on Ari Aster films. I just want to get it out there that the thing you like is actually bad. "This director many people like is actually a hack. It can't possibly be that art is subjective and I simply don't connect with the style or themes present in his movies. I am the sole arbiter of quality and have decreed that anyone who disagrees is actually a Reptilian with a bad brain, because the alternative would be that my feelings aren't facts and THAT is inconceivable!" Pull up, man. Don't die on this hill. I like Ari Aster, I think his movies are good, you don't have to like them or watch them. I don't like Yorgos Lanthimos, but other people do and that is loving fine. Just stop. I started to disconnect from Lovecraft Country until I rewired my expectations for it. It's not "good" in a prestige sense and that's not a problem. It's more of a Strange Tales pulp comic brought to life, with episodic stories that happen to overlap characters. It doesn't feel like "an HBO drama" (more like something that'd be on STARZ or FX or something.) Not everything has to be a David Simon project.
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Xealot posted:"This director many people like is actually a hack. It can't possibly be that art is subjective and I simply don't connect with the style or themes present in his movies. I am the sole arbiter of quality and have decreed that anyone who disagrees is actually a Reptilian with a bad brain, because the alternative would be that my feelings aren't facts and THAT is inconceivable!" Can we post this at the top of every thread in TV IV? Xealot posted:I started to disconnect from Lovecraft Country until I rewired my expectations for it. It's not "good" in a prestige sense and that's not a problem. It's more of a Strange Tales pulp comic brought to life, with episodic stories that happen to overlap characters. It doesn't feel like "an HBO drama" (more like something that'd be on STARZ or FX or something.) Not everything has to be a David Simon project. This has been a part of HBO's brand for a while though, hasn't it? True Blood, Westworld, Lovecraft Country, and presumably the upcoming JJ Abrams and Joss Whedon projects too. Edit: the pulp thing, not the episodic thing. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Sep 28, 2020 00:31
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TheBizzness posted:People pinned their expectations on it and then didn’t like when it didn’t meet them/was something else.
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Sep 28, 2020 00:35
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Sep 28, 2020 01:20
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I never expected to see such an ... accurate depiction of Korea life and culture in an American TV show. I've lived in Korea for 16 years now and the plot, characters, events, and even clothing and set design match up almost perfectly with everything I understand about Korea. The hard-rear end mother and the devoted daughter is even a common literary string plucked in Korean writing. Whoever wrote this episode had a comprehensive, in-depth understanding of Korean culture that I've only ever seen in Korean movies before. That alone was quite frankly amazing. It wasn't Chinese pretending to be Korean, and it wasn't Japanese pretending to be Korean either (LOST!). It was the real deal. The only thing that I had doubts about was the speed dating scene and the talk about "mee-ting" as a dating concept. That's relatively recent in Korean culture, so recent that I've seen it go from a scandalous and hush-hush topic to normalized in just the time I've lived here. Of course I've also gone from a 20-something to a 40-something and gone from the provinces to the capital during that time so there may be geographic and age factors involved in that perspective as well. But I mean a little over 10 years ago I remember going to a house party and when I left the older man security guard of the building was asking us if the event was speed dating event, showing undue concern because if it is he was going to have to shut it down. For it to be so scandalous in the 2000s and also a practice in the 1950s doesn't seem to match up with what I understand of the culture. And I never thought about the implications of a nine-tailed fox having nine tails before this episode. Is it simply a coincidence that there are 9 orifices in the human body? I, uh... have to do some more research.
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Sep 28, 2020 03:07
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I like the episodic plots a lot more than the big overaching plot; I like that the last few episodes have centered on the supporting cast (though I'm sad that we won't get an Uncle George episode).
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Sep 28, 2020 03:07
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A completely dumb rant and tangent, but...I have no idea how good the origin material is and what's the dialogue within but "Seen any new flicks you wanna spoil for us?" in the sixth episode made me irrationally angry because it's apocryphal as gently caress and took me out of the episode. The term didn't come commonplace until Usenet and the first time the term "spoiler" was used was in the 70's. More importantly though, the entire concept of spoiling a story probably didn't become a thing people obsessed over as much regardless whether it had a codified term or not until at some unspecified decade/era. Although you could just argue the character was using the term similarly to spoiled food but I just don't see it.
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Sep 28, 2020 03:10
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Show continues to buck expectations with tonights episode. I was not expecting that . Also Tic had a copy of the book Lovecraft Country
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Sep 28, 2020 03:11
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My time in Korea was getting drank under the table by middle age businessmen on a Wednesday so the idea that speed dating would be taboo is amazing to me.
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Sep 28, 2020 03:24
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I for one, welcome our giant Afro having space-time traveling overlords.
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Sep 28, 2020 03:26
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Glad we are back to the source material this week, this was one of my favorite stories in the book. Definitely took it a different direction but it worked really well. Interesting set up for next week, I’m gonna make an assumption that Tic is in some sort of wolfenstein-like alternate dimension where the world is even worse for POCs
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Sep 28, 2020 04:30
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Hollismason posted:Also Tic had a copy of the book Lovecraft Country By George Freeman
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Sep 28, 2020 04:32
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:My time in Korea was getting drank under the table by middle age businessmen on a Wednesday so the idea that speed dating would be taboo is amazing to me. Its weird what's taboo and what's not. In my experience its mostly contextual so when you're drunk off your rear end with middle-aged businessmen on a Wednesday night anything goes, but on Thursday you better put your decent-man face back on and pretend nothing ever happened and most importantly don't talk about it in public ever. More on this topic, I asked some coworkers over lunch about the speed dating thing. They said it sounded like something the Japanese did back then so they said it seemed reasonable that it would be practiced in Korea in the 1950s as well. As I explained the plot of the show, including the kumiho, they got more and more interested. They were also amazed at the accuracy of the plot elements.
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Sep 28, 2020 05:41
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Loved this episode. I still think the actual 'main' plot is weak but the anthology feel of the last three episodes whips.
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Sep 28, 2020 06:13
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There is a lot to unpack in this episode (it was easily the best so far), but goddamn was it a love letter to black women everywhere. It had the N’Nonmiton (Dahomey Amazons), Bessie Stringfield, a subtle nod to hidden figures, and basically George having to unpack his toxic masculinity and how it is used even today to "shrink" black women into tiny boxes. What an episode. EDIT: Also, the kid asking, "When in Bobo coming back". Bobo was Emmett Till's nickname. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Sep 28, 2020 08:14
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I was utterly bored by last weeks episode, but this was exactly what I was looking for.
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Sep 28, 2020 14:03
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I have to agree that the main storyline is lacking and through the first half of the episode I was hoping for something bonkers to happen like the last couple of episodes. They promptly delivered, but it can’t be a good thing that so many of us are bored with the actual plot.
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Vorgen posted:I never expected to see such an ... accurate depiction of Korea life and culture in an American TV show. I've lived in Korea for 16 years now and the plot, characters, events, and even clothing and set design match up almost perfectly with everything I understand about Korea. The hard-rear end mother and the devoted daughter is even a common literary string plucked in Korean writing. Whoever wrote this episode had a comprehensive, in-depth understanding of Korean culture that I've only ever seen in Korean movies before. That alone was quite frankly amazing. It wasn't Chinese pretending to be Korean, and it wasn't Japanese pretending to be Korean either (LOST!). It was the real deal. My roomate is Korean and absolutely loved that episode so I somewhat get it, I think.
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Sep 28, 2020 15:57
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I've already learned to dissociate everything in the book from what the show is doing, but even with my expectations adjusted I was still surprised to see Garnet from Steven Universe show up. Once again, a good episode let down by the bizarre music choices.
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Sep 28, 2020 16:25
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Jesus, Aunjanue Ellis (Hippolyta) really brung it this episode. Goddamn bonkers.
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Sep 28, 2020 17:44
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The acting is top notch all around. The scene between Tic and Montrose in the hallway was *chefs kiss* from a performance perspective.
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Sep 28, 2020 21:06
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I just caught up with the last three episodes after falling behind, and while I really liked ep 5&6 episode 7 just loving floored me. That last half was just stellar poo poo that made my ADHD-rear end stop multitasking and just stare at it. I had a feeling I was watching something that was gonna connect with people in a way TV hasn't before in a very personal way and from the takes I've been reading online that seems to hit the mark.
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Sep 28, 2020 21:49
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That episode was simply infuckingcredible. This show can make all the little mistakes and nit picking issues people have all they want as long as it allows a show to make stuff like they did last night because holy poo poo was that a refreshing rear end episode of scifi/fantasy/horror TV. I cant imagine how much that must have resonated with black women on a deep cathartic level.
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Sep 28, 2020 22:42
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I know little of the Korean War so can someone tell me if any of it was fought in trenches like the one we saw in Atticus fantasy on the pilot?
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Sep 28, 2020 23:06
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radlum posted:I know little of the Korean War so can someone tell me if any of it was fought in trenches like the one we saw in Atticus fantasy on the pilot? I don't think those were meant to be Korea.
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Sep 28, 2020 23:48
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Korean War did have some trench warfare though not much and only towards the end of the war. I think my only issue with this episode was they probably could have swaped last weeks episode with this one because the set up for it seems like it happened ages ago and it took me a bit to reorient myself into that aspect of the story. Youd have to rearrange a couple plot aspects but I dont think anything would have been lost as a result.
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Sep 29, 2020 00:16
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Pretty good episode! Aunjanue Ellis is really great, she brings a beautiful anger. I loved seeing some pulpy cosmic stuff again! I've missed it since that explosive opening scene. I can't really put my finger on this show. I find it at times tiresome and annoying, but all the actors are doing great work and it looks beautiful. I still think that the showrunners don't really know how to blend the fantastical stuff with the grounded racism/homophobia, I agree with posters saying it feels a bit scattered. Although, I'm not sure there is a perfect way to handle all of this stuff, and it certainly feels like a new attempt at spanning genres.
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Sep 29, 2020 00:34
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radlum posted:I know little of the Korean War so can someone tell me if any of it was fought in trenches like the one we saw in Atticus fantasy on the pilot? My reading of the trenches was that they're from pro-war propaganda films Tic watched as a child, which would all have been set in WW1. Assuming he's in his 20's now, he was a child in the 20's/30's, and would've been right in the splash zone for Wings or The Big Parade or All Quiet on the Western Front. I'm sure the dream was also recalling his own experiences in Korea, but the grainy B&W that fades in and out definitely evokes that period of war movie.
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Xealot posted:My reading of the trenches was that they're from pro-war propaganda films Tic watched as a child, which would all have been set in WW1. Assuming he's in his 20's now, he was a child in the 20's/30's, and would've been right in the splash zone for Wings or The Big Parade or All Quiet on the Western Front. I'm sure the dream was also recalling his own experiences in Korea, but the grainy B&W that fades in and out definitely evokes that period of war movie. Yeah, just wanted to know if Tic's actual war experience was anything like in that fantasy sequence; when he fantasizes about his role as a soldier, he doesn't think of his actual experience, but in the pro-war propaganda that he might have seen when he was younger. I think it adds an interesting layer to that sequence.
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Sep 29, 2020 01:55
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This episode made me realize how badly I want to watch a spinoff of Aunt Hippolyta and Uncle George family road tripping across space and time.
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Sep 29, 2020 02:10
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They teleported together, with hands held! She resurrected the best character of the series! They're gonna show up and everyone is going to FREAK!!! Amazing. I can't wait for next episode.
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Sep 29, 2020 02:43
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I'm down for a Deux Ex Hippolyta
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Sep 29, 2020 02:49
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The beginning of the Korean War saw some heavy defenses built as part of the Pusan perimeter, which likely included trenches. The last two years of the war also saw lots of entrenching by both sides.
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Sep 29, 2020 03:28
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I have really loved the last three episodes. It's a messy show but I love the messiness. I was really moved by Montrose's struggle with and (for a time) acceptance of his queer self. I was equally moved by Tic and Ji-Ah's tortured romance, trying to feel less like monsters. And man did I love the fantastical journey of Hippolyta. It's one of those things where I knew vaguely of some of the references but I was really enraptured by the feeling that what I was seeing was meaningful to people very different from me (with very different experiences). I was intoxicated by the strange visuals and how they were interwoven with really moving character moments. This show swings hard at every pitch; it doesn't always connect, but I just love seeing all the strange places it goes.
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Sep 29, 2020 03:54
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What a fantastically trippy episode. I like how it took Hippolyta a week montage to be great at everything.Xealot posted:"This director many people like is actually a hack. It can't possibly be that art is subjective and I simply don't connect with the style or themes present in his movies. I am the sole arbiter of quality and have decreed that anyone who disagrees is actually a Reptilian with a bad brain, because the alternative would be that my feelings aren't facts and THAT is inconceivable!" Oh get the gently caress over yourself people are allowed to not like directors and call them hacks. Why should I have to pander to you wanting to play the middle ground of 'well some people like this' poo poo? He's a hack. He uses death and loss as emotional dribble in crappy stories that he wrote and directed. If a lot of people like him then who the gently caress cares, they like a hack in my opinion. Edit: Lanthimos is a hack too
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Sep 29, 2020 04:56
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Can this thread be more about the TV show and less about a movie director that has nothing to do with it please
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Sep 29, 2020 10:29
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The music from the battle scene reminded me of Maiden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc
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radlum posted:Yeah, just wanted to know if Tic's actual war experience was anything like in that fantasy sequence; when he fantasizes about his role as a soldier, he doesn't think of his actual experience, but in the pro-war propaganda that he might have seen when he was younger. I think it adds an interesting layer to that sequence. That's a really good point, and I was wondering why Tic would bring something like real life war into his pulpy adventure fueled dream - when even the power of racism is coded as a monster too strong for even a famouse baseball player to slay - and this makes total sense.
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