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I feel like the Bowie stuff was another Colbert issue where if they’d known it would have been fine.
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In my opinion the Sovereign didn't get hit with a moron ray - his time was up. He made a deal with the investors, and they were ready to collect.
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Sep 29, 2020 01:38
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When the Sovereign first appeared it was cool and mysterious that he was Bowie and just randomly had magic powers and turned into an eagle. When they started getting deeper into the Guild story and it was obvious they would have to do something with the leader, it made sense to retcon the Bowie thing because it would be kinda weird to make someone they were a fan of some scheming murderous rear end in a top hat.
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Sep 29, 2020 02:35
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Sovereign was revealed as not really Bowie in Season 5 in the episode where we last see Mol. The OSI one. I believe Bowie was still publicly known to be healthy and fine and he certainly wasn't dead yet. When Brock is interrogating Monstroso he asks him who/where the Sovereign is and Monstroso gives him Bowie's address and Brock tells him to cut the bullshit since they both know that the Sovereign isn't really Bowie. Although he is probably the creature on the cover of Diamond Dogs. The Sovereign's death was ambiguous enough - can always say Headshot just shot some other random eagle - that if we ever did/do get more seasons/specials that he could come back and given how wheels within wheels most things involving the Guild, OSI, and spy poo poo on the show is, I think they could retcon him back to being Bowie if they wanted. Particularly since I feel like that's the one thing most fans universally agree was a mis-step. Although I do kind of like the pathos and vibes of the Sovereign at the end. 'Just someone who wanted to be anyone else.'
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Sep 29, 2020 03:07
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Having the Sovereign come back would be dumb. There's no need for him after Sheila worked so hard rebuilding the guild. If anything, they should just poo poo on him and tell him to piss off. If he really is just some kid that wanted to be anything other than himself, he should just go somewhere else and be that. From how things went when they were in New York, it sounds like he ignored all the other guild chapters and just focused on the Colorado one where the council of 13 was.
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Sep 29, 2020 03:15
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having David Bowie as the leader of organized villainy was funny and cool but I don't think having it be some nameless faceless shapeshifter who used his ability to give himself an important place in the world was a mistake either
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Sep 29, 2020 03:16
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If Sovereign comes back it should be as a nod just in the background. He's moved on to just being an average joe he works at a coffee shop and yet still looks like David Bowie.
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Sep 29, 2020 03:20
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Speaking of Bowie, let's not forget that Red Mantle and Dragoon are Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper.
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Sep 29, 2020 03:27
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Whatever happened to ritchie valens
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Sep 29, 2020 03:32
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Speaking of Bowie, let's not forget that Red Mantle and Dragoon are Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper. And that they accidentally invented hip hop!
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Sep 29, 2020 03:33
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Hank actually points out that the Sovereign specifically looks like David Bowie in the 70s. While there's already some fun gags with a number of real world celebrities being Guild members, I think it works that the Sovereign just uses the look as his persona- making it a multilayer facade given he has the creepy hologram head already at the start. I do love that he takes the form of Jonas at first to mess with Dr Mrs The Monarch and she doesn't even seem particularly surprised. Though a big part of the Soverign is everyone underestimates him- after all, it was piss easy for him to start the Pyramid Wars by impersonating SPHINX Commander, though I get the feeling the OSI had no idea of his existence at that point.
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Sep 29, 2020 09:57
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Ghost Leviathan posted:, it was piss easy for him to start the Pyramid Wars by impersonating SPHINX Commander, though I get the feeling the OSI had no idea of his existence at that point. I don’t think the OSI even knew for sure the Guild was still around at that point. There’s a flashback scene from around then where someone gives Brock and Hunter poo poo for going after them.
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Sep 29, 2020 11:36
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I don’t think the OSI even knew for sure the Guild was still around at that point. There’s a flashback scene from around then where someone gives Brock and Hunter poo poo for going after them. The whole subplot of the flashback episode were we find out the origin of Phantom Limb's abilities and Billy's hand is Brock and Hunter trying to prove CGI still existed. That's how Billy/Pete got mixed up in OSI's crap to begin with.
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Sep 29, 2020 11:51
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AlternateNu posted:The whole subplot of the flashback episode were we find out the origin of Phantom Limb's abilities and Billy's hand is Brock and Hunter trying to prove CGI still existed. That's how Billy/Pete got mixed up in OSI's crap to begin with. Oh, yep, you’re right. And Rusty is done with college in that, so it’s definitely post Movie Night.
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Sep 29, 2020 11:55
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Oh, yep, you’re right. And Rusty is done with college in that, so it’s definitely post Movie Night. Another suffering bastard!
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Sep 29, 2020 14:31
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I'M LOOKING RIGHT AT HIM.
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Sep 29, 2020 14:33
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SeanBeansShako posted:I'M LOOKING RIGHT AT HIM. Oh ha ha!
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Sep 29, 2020 15:07
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You know, even though I agree "Guess Who's Coming to State Dinner" isn't the strongest episode and Bud Manstrong isn't a great character, but it has one of the best line deliveries in the whole series.quote:"Did he offer you vice president?"
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Sep 29, 2020 15:19
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You’re in for a world of SUCK!
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Sep 29, 2020 15:33
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Oh come on. Everyone knows the best part of that episode is THE NOZZLE.
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Sep 29, 2020 15:55
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I still say the OSI likely has a ton of mad science doodads laying around that they've forgotten what they are or what they're for. (So does the Guild, for that matter, but they do just outright steal poo poo, so)
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Sep 29, 2020 16:28
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I'm rewatching the last season (ever, I guess), and I forgot how good it was at wrapping up a ton of plot points. I still have no idea why the guys went so hard on Sharky's Machine though. Also,   Who wore it better?
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Sep 29, 2020 17:30
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Sharkey’s Machine / movie night was established as canon in season 1
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Sep 29, 2020 17:40
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They love the length of the joke becoming the joke itself see Nozzle. Going overboard is funny as long as it's not the sole focus just something you keep coming back to. Which they are also good at.
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Sep 29, 2020 17:55
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Brock I'm all out of Condom, can you pick me up one if you go out?
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Sep 29, 2020 20:55
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MadJackal posted:I'm rewatching the last season (ever, I guess), and I forgot how good it was at wrapping up a ton of plot points. Something I only noticed on a rewatch was Augustus St. Cloud's various background appearances before his proper debut in season 5, starting all the way back in Tag Sale - You're It! (credited as "Girly Mag Scientist")
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Sep 29, 2020 21:20
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Is Sharky's Machine worth watching?
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Sep 29, 2020 21:26
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Please do not be alarmed. We are about to engage... the Nozzle. Please do not move while the Nozzle is engaging. Moving will disrupt calibration of... the Nozzle. Please wait while we calibrate... the Nozzle. Please do not look away from... the Nozzle. The Nozzle is now calibrating. The Nozzle is still calibrating. The Nozzle has completed calibration. Thank you. I wonder how many people caught on the original Guild (before they went evil) was actually what the OSI also came from. If you looked at their icon it has both CI and OSI symbols.
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Sep 29, 2020 21:53
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I wish Jackson had let Doc keep his very very very obscure 19th century mystics as the original guild. I love rabbit hole in jokes that only the creator and maybe 10 other people understand.
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Sep 29, 2020 22:00
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theflyingexecutive posted:I wish Jackson had let Doc keep his very very very obscure 19th century mystics as the original guild. I love rabbit hole in jokes that only the creator and maybe 10 other people understand. They are extra fun in Venture Bros because everything is a reference. If I don't get a reference it's one more thing to consume and enjoy. Then I can rewatch the episode and get the joke that much more.
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Sep 29, 2020 22:02
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Mraagvpeine posted:Is Sharky's Machine worth watching? it's ok. it's not a bad film, if anything it's decently good - not groundbreaking or anything but competently done. it's definitely just a gritty 80's cop movie and a vehicle for burt reynolds. very likely the reason it became VB canon is because of the tenuous pop culture obsession of doc and jackson thinking the film title sounds menacing when it becomes a point of trauma and dark history for bud manstrong. it's got nothing to do otherwise with any ventureverse stuff
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Sep 29, 2020 22:29
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What is the quintessential Venture Bros episode? For be it will always be Ghosts of the Sargasso. It was the first episode I ever saw and has almost everything in it. You get to see old team Venture, music references, Rusty and crew on a modern "adventure", Rusty's failed legacy on full display, the boys being the boys ("Hank, if there was ever a time I need you to not be Hank, it's right now"), Brock being a murder machine, cheesy Scooby-Do villains, and even a Doctor O cameo. Arguably the only thing missing is Molotov and the Monarch.
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Sep 29, 2020 22:38
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TerminalRaptor posted:What is the quintessential Venture Bros episode? For be it will always be Ghosts of the Sargasso. It was the first episode I ever saw and has almost everything in it. You get to see old team Venture, music references, Rusty and crew on a modern "adventure", Rusty's failed legacy on full display, the boys being the boys ("Hank, if there was ever a time I need you to not be Hank, it's right now"), Brock being a murder machine, cheesy Scooby-Do villains, and even a Doctor O cameo. Agreed. I feel like Molotov/The Monarch would only drag that episode down, for having a little bit of everything in it it’s super-focused. E:The funeral one is similar like that but less Johnny Quest-y.
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Sep 29, 2020 22:42
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TerminalRaptor posted:What is the quintessential Venture Bros episode? For be it will always be Ghosts of the Sargasso. It was the first episode I ever saw and has almost everything in it. You get to see old team Venture, music references, Rusty and crew on a modern "adventure", Rusty's failed legacy on full display, the boys being the boys ("Hank, if there was ever a time I need you to not be Hank, it's right now"), Brock being a murder machine, cheesy Scooby-Do villains, and even a Doctor O cameo. Yeah it or Tag Sale You're It are definitely towards the top of the list, at least for Season 1 episodes
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Sep 29, 2020 22:50
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Escape From The House Of Mummies Part II is thr quintessential VBros episode, it has almost everything you could ask for and it's extremely funny. Sargasso is a good choice too tho
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Sep 29, 2020 23:19
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hughesta posted:Escape From The House Of Mummies Part II is thr quintessential VBros episode, it has almost everything you could ask for and it's extremely funny. Sargasso is a good choice too tho Escape From The House Of Mummies without a doubt, that encapsulates the original premise of the show perfectly
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Sep 29, 2020 23:28
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multijoe posted:Escape From The House Of Mummies without a doubt, that encapsulates the original premise of the show perfectly I wasn’t able to catch VB all the time then and remember frantically searching the internet wondering how I missed episode 1.
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multijoe posted:Escape From The House Of Mummies without a doubt, that encapsulates the original premise of the show perfectly Thank god it was the first episode I ever saw. If I'd seen some episode that was less of a Quest/adventure riff I may not have given the show a fair shake.
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Sep 30, 2020 00:38
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I'm a big fan of Viva Los Muertos.
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pixaal posted:They are extra fun in Venture Bros because everything is a reference. If I don't get a reference it's one more thing to consume and enjoy. Then I can rewatch the episode and get the joke that much more. If something is clearly a reference and you don't get it, then that's just a reason to watch the whole show again later in life and maybe you've seen the thing it references by then.
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