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One thing that amazes me about the Russian Revolution is that people remembered that soviets were a thing in 1905, like I couldn't imagine that happening today. It seems like the lack of any historical memory in the population hampers the modern left.
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ToxicAcne posted:One thing that amazes me about the Russian Revolution is that people remembered that soviets were a thing in 1905, like I couldn't imagine that happening today. It seems like the lack of any historical memory in the population hampers the modern left. two things: 1) "soviet" just means "council" in Russian. It gets used for all kinds of things, like city councils and boards of universities and so on. So "forming a soviet" wasn't like a specifically defined revolutionary activity, for a lot of factories and workplaces and military units it was just a natural consequence of doing spontaneous self-organization that you would get together and choose a council of leaders to coordinate your revolutionary activities. And then that form of organization naturally spread to higher levels, like forming a council for the entire city based on each local council sending a representative. And thus the Petrograd Soviet is born. 2) because a lot of the soviet-formation was pretty spontaneous, it was natural for people to turn to the same form of spontaneous self-organization when a second revolution came along. Remember that the 1917 revolution was only 12 years after 1905. That's the same span of time as between us and Obama getting elected in 2008. A lot happens in 12 years, but a lot of the people taking part in 1917 (including some of the leaders, like Trotsky for instance who was chairman of the Petersburg Soviet in 1905) didn't just have historical memory of 1905, they had lived through it and taken part in it themselves so they had living memory of it as well. This is obviously an imperfect comparison, but it's like if someone volunteered for Obama in 2008 and then organized work for another candidate again in 2020. That isn't a historical memory, it's something that you did and then did again a decade later.
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so I'm looking for a good book on early 20th century radicalism, particularly the relationship between communist parties in the US/Canada and Black americans/canadians. anyone have any recommendations? I was looking at the autobiography of Robert Robertson, the engineer who went to the USSR in the 30s to escape Jim Crow, but it's expensive and not exactly an objective history
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Sep 28, 2020 14:05
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hammer and hoe by Robert Kelly, about the cpusa in Alabama during the 30s
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Frog Act posted:an objective history also, there is no such thing as an objective history
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there is no such thing as history
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T-man posted:there is no such thing as history the empire never ended
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indigi posted:also, there is no such thing as an objective history i am aware of that as I have a masters degree in history, and was using that as short hand for peer reviewed or otherwise substantial rather than an autobiography that has been instrumentalized repeatedly in service of specific narratives about soviet racism setting aside the inelegant wording there I also have JSTOR access if anyone has any good articles to recommend on Black radicalism and rural populism in the early-mid 20th century, connections between them, and discursive connections between them invented by and/or capitalized on by the white elite Frog Act fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Frog Act posted:so I'm looking for a good book on early 20th century radicalism, particularly the relationship between communist parties in the US/Canada and Black americans/canadians. anyone have any recommendations? I was looking at the autobiography of Robert Robertson, the engineer who went to the USSR in the 30s to escape Jim Crow, but it's expensive and not exactly an objective history You might be interested in this: https://www.dukeupress.edu/sojourning-for-freedom
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vyelkin posted:You might be interested in this: https://www.dukeupress.edu/sojourning-for-freedom thanks! I’ll see if I can get this from my institutions library, which in a coincidence that surely has nothing to do with current events, just dropped its subscriptions to 75% if it’s history, philosophy, and political science journals including the labor history and the odd few explicitly leftist ones as well as a few things from the less commodifiable STEM fields
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T-man posted:there is no such thing as history we call it herstory now
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completely out of left field and totally unrelated but can somebody explain to me the purpose of dumb Research Articles like this in the tweet being allowed in Peer-reviewed journals? they seem to serve no purpose other than for Christian apologetics to make sick internet burns of off STEMnerd culture https://futurism.com/strange-research-paper-black-hole-center-earth https://twitter.com/ThePlanetaryGuy/status/1308479609130889217 BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Sep 29, 2020 03:19
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that poo poo is Lyndon larouche-level insanity
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If it was a group of people purposely submitting a ridiculous, error- and typo-filled paper to see if they could get it published, then it's certainly not the first which has done that. There was a famous person who did this in a liberal arts academic journal to expose their bad publishing standards but he expressed dismay when the Richard Dawkins etc of the world used it as proof that "SOCIOLOGY IS ALL MADE UP!" rather than the point of his stunt, that publishing journals are a complete racket where you have to pay for the privilege of sharing your knowledge with the world, others have to pay to access it, and your salary depends on shelling out this money to get it published. It's very stupid! So sometimes intentionally bad papers will get published in journals like this to expose journals as basic money-sucking operations rather than actually contributing in any way to scientific knowledge. IE, you have to pay them to get something published, AND if you pay them you can get anything published. Probably best illustrated by professional moron Sam Harris getting a scientific article published on neuroscience where 1) he did none of the research or testing himself, he had unpaid interns do it for him 2) it only got published because his rich parents paid for ucla to give him a neuroscience degree 3) the thesis of the paper is "religious people r stupid because there brain doesnt use as many neurons as i do" 4) the paper is fundamentally flawed anyway since the MRI software he used has since been shown to be fatally corrupted by so many errors that you could literally stick a dead salmon in an MRI machine and have its "brain pattern" show up as alive All this to say that capitalism destroys academics and learning and the basic pursuit of knowledge
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Frog Act posted:so I'm looking for a good book on early 20th century radicalism, particularly the relationship between communist parties in the US/Canada and Black americans/canadians. anyone have any recommendations? I was looking at the autobiography of Robert Robertson, the engineer who went to the USSR in the 30s to escape Jim Crow, but it's expensive and not exactly an objective history Black bolsheviks is a good book
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Some "peer reviewed journals" are really pay-to-publish spam scams, predatory journals. The Open Access Macedonian Journal of Medical Sciences, which that was published in, has an announcement on its website saying "This is not a predatory journal", which is always a good sign.
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Sep 29, 2020 04:26
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My "OAMJMS is not a predatory journal" announcment has a lot of people asking questions already answered by my announcement
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Far be it from me to besmirch the good name of the Open Access Macedonian Journal of Medical Sciences
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I've got one I've been mulling over that's a lot worse than that veganism derail, but I'll keep that one for another day. In the meantime, I've been trawling through this guy's archive that he posted in a thread a while back and some of the reading has been good (What is Democratic Centralism, History of the Communist Party of Canada, going through The Truth About Afghanistan currently to see the Soviet side on the war), I still have yet to run into any books about municipal services in the Soviet Union. poo poo, how many years have I been looking? how many times have I asked this question?
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Frog Act posted:thanks! I’ll see if I can get this from my institutions library, which in a coincidence that surely has nothing to do with current events, just dropped its subscriptions to 75% if it’s history, philosophy, and political science journals including the labor history and the odd few explicitly leftist ones as well as a few things from the less commodifiable STEM fields Glad to help. You may also be interested in this free PDF memoir: http://ouleft.org/wp-content/uploads/Harry-Haywood-Black-Bolshevik.pdf You might also be able to find more stuff on the list here, though it's more oriented towards studies of Russia than studies of the US: https://jordanrussiacenter.org/race-and-racism-in-russian-studies/
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https://twitter.com/scottsix/status/1310759156580847616 Twitter liberal saying that democratic socialism isn't a subcategory of socialism (It is, right?)
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It is, in the same way that libs are a part of the left.
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galenanorth posted:https://twitter.com/scottsix/status/1310759156580847616 It was until 1914 when some stuff happened in and to the democratic socialist parties and social democrats and socialists went their seperate ways. So: T-man posted:It is, in the same way that libs are a part of the left.
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Algund Eenboom posted:Far be it from me to besmirch the good name of the Open Access Macedonian Journal of Medical Sciences I'm getting some weird vibes. Their website says they are based in Skopje, which means they should now be called the Open Access North Macedonian Journal of Medical Sciences. If they don't change their name, the Greeks are going to take the journal down before anyone else can get to it.
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1914: some stuff happened
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galenanorth posted:https://twitter.com/scottsix/status/1310759156580847616 depends if you call debs a democratic socialist or not imo
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“democratic socialism” isn’t real and if anyone professes it then either they haven’t done their reading or they’re betting you haven’t done yours
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It's an identifier and not an ideology.
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the last democratic socialist was salvador allende and look how that turned out
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Ferrinus posted:“democratic socialism” isn’t real and if anyone professes it then either they haven’t done their reading or they’re betting you haven’t done yours it’s real and it’s spectacular
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Ferrinus posted:“democratic socialism” isn’t real and if anyone professes it then either they haven’t done their reading or they’re betting you haven’t done yours its just a stupid term to get around brain damaged americans
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Raskolnikov38 posted:its just a stupid term to get around brain damaged americans
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Raskolnikov38 posted:its just a stupid term to get around brain damaged americans that's the second case
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democratic socialist is a way for people in the US to say they like to read Marx but aren't communist i don't know why anyone would have that opinion, but they do
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Nathan J Robinson Thought
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Bowtie socialism
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THS posted:Nathan J Robinson Thought ok, I guess people who don't read Marx also use the term
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If a socialist doesn't like the centralization and so-called alleged authoritarianism of the actually-existing socialism practiced by the USSR and the PRC, why wouldn't they just turn anarchist instead of trying to split the difference with democratic socialism "we're going to vote out Stalin" is as stupid as "we're going to vote out Trump"
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