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genuinely surprised no-one's having a meltdown about bortmund telling united to do one
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Have you not seen Der shovels posting over the last however many months
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this thread is mostly a United meltdown
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Eau de MacGowan posted:genuinely surprised no-one's having a meltdown about bortmund telling united to do one I'm sure a lot of people on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram are, but most people place the blame squarely on United for this one*. Dortmund said from the start they wanted 120m€ and they wanted it by August 10th or no deal. United tried to bid low and took their sweet time, blowing past the deadlines. Even yesterday the likes of Fabrizio Romano were reporting United's last bid would have been for 90m€, so you'd have to be crazier than a shithouse rat to lay any blame on Dortmund here. But, considering United's Facebook page is normally full of people yelling about the club betraying 100 years of tradition and selling out to the gays by adopting a temporary Pride themed Facebook header, I'm sure those shithouse rats are out there. (* and again I personally think 120m€ on Sancho, while he would be a great addition to the team, would be foolish in this economic situation) E: a quick look turned plenty of crazy people really angry about a lot of things, but also this so it wasn't all time wasted 
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Sep 30, 2020 10:11
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Otoh. Utd obviously don't value him that highly and wanted to see if Dortmund would cave to a lower bid. It does happen, you very rarely see transfers go for the original price unless it's a buyout clause
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CyberPingu posted:Otoh. Utd obviously don't value him that highly and wanted to see if Dortmund would cave to a lower bid. Sure, and I don't have a problem with trying to bargain. It's just frustrating when the deal seems to be stuck for months in a loop at the exclusion of other things. This summer was immensely important for United, because the team needs to strengthen significantly, or it will probably slide back from last season's good position. This was not a time to spend months laser focused on one player, and instead move on to other targets in reasonable time. Now the season is already on, and United still don't have a right winger, a left back, a backup striker or any of the other things they REALLY needed this summer. If the transfer window closes with Van de Beek as United's only signing... hooo boy. But I do have a feeling they'll end up panic buying Cavani or someone on the last day, and overpaying massvely.
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Sep 30, 2020 10:27
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i'm glad newcastle takeover chat is over so we can get back to the regular endless man u whining chat
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Speaking of endless Man U whining, Leeds are apparently in for Dan James again. If they sign another winger he'd be looking to leave. I don't read Man U news and views but the bits and pieces I have seen seem to suggest that the fans haven't taken to him and the last transfer was an absolute mess. Would be keen to see him pinging balls in to Lord Patrick 'the white Pele' Bamford
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Sep 30, 2020 10:43
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Sep 30, 2020 10:54
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Eau de MacGowan posted:why is patrick bamford good now Bielsa taught him where the goal is and now he's the first tory to be accepted in Leeds since probably Churchill
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Sep 30, 2020 11:00
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Barkley's gone on loan to Villa. Great loan signing by them. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/30/aston-villa-sign-ross-barkley-on-season-loan-from-chelsea
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the sex ghost posted:Speaking of endless Man U whining, Leeds are apparently in for Dan James again. If they sign another winger he'd be looking to leave. I don't read Man U news and views but the bits and pieces I have seen seem to suggest that the fans haven't taken to him and the last transfer was an absolute mess. Would be keen to see him pinging balls in to Lord Patrick 'the white Pele' Bamford He's a perfectly adequate squad player which is what he was originally bought to be. Unfortunately for him he scored a bunch of goals in his first few appearances and all of a sudden was the second coming of Ryan Giggs in a bunch of United supporter's eyes which is something he was never going to be. He's not going to start matches because his preferred position is really where Rashford plays and Ole had mostly played him on the right which is pretty firmly Greenwood's now.
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Sep 30, 2020 11:47
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Mickolution posted:Barkley's gone on loan to Villa. Great loan signing by them. In other news, Danny Drinkwater is still technically a Chelsea player although he wasn't given a squad number for the season.
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Sep 30, 2020 11:53
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Happy with the Barkley signing, I think we have enough about us to avoid relegation this season
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Good signing for villa.
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Barkley shouldnt have gone out he was a decent bench option. That will cost us down the road.
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whoops https://twitter.com/DeanCoombes/status/1311042209379241989
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Fulham have signed Ademola Lookman on from RB Leipzig. Only on loan though, so he won't have to play in the Championship in 2021/22.
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Sep 30, 2020 14:01
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Karl Sharks posted:got a new stat for you: xX Congrats, you've invented betting odds.
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CyberPingu posted:Otoh. Utd obviously don't value him that highly and wanted to see if Dortmund would cave to a lower bid. because you're thinking it is a transfer, not a transfer attempt there's countless times where a club stayed firm on their price, the player wasn't begging to leave and the buying club tried to get a lower price but didn't and nobody cares cause nothing actually happened sassassin posted:Congrats, you've invented betting odds. is there a way to monetize my new invention?
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The simple fact is that you can't negotiate as the buyer if the seller knows you have no alternatives. It's not hard to plant some stories in the papers or even actually start feeling out some other young players in Sancho's position and make Dortmund think you're going to close one of those deals for £80 mil or something like that. Then they start to think about what if he gets injured, we could really use that £90 mil etc. etc. But United have such obvious tunnel vision for this one single player that he probably could do his ACL in May and Woodward would still buy him next summer (OK-realistically deadline day) for whatever Dortmund are asking.
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I'm starting to think that's the plan. Get through this season with this squad plus a couple of last day panic buys (or loans), then go back to Sancho next summer.
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Sep 30, 2020 14:42
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I would be very surprised if Ole approves panic buys. He's been very much on the "the player I want or no player at all" train so far.
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I go back and forth between enjoying the Pooshited meltdowns and wanting them to just shut the gently caress up about their small time club.
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Sep 30, 2020 15:04
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Aren't you an american spurs fan lmao
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Der Shovel posted:Now the season is already on, and United still don't have a right winger, a left back, a backup striker or any of the other things they REALLY needed this summer. Greenwood, Shaw, Ighalo  But yeah deadline day Cavani will be funny
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TheRat posted:Aren't you an american spurs fan lmao lol imagine being so dense
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TheRat posted:Aren't you an american spurs fan lmao sure am but at least i recognize where my club is in the grand scheme of things imagine being a united supporter in 2020 and thinking your club is still relevant lmao
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the thing about Sancho is he's not good enough to make United competitive so spending all summer pining for a talented attacking player when they're not going to be supported at all seems to be the real problem
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I think United learned the wrong lesson from Liverpool's transfers over the last few years where Klopp identified players who were his #1 targets in areas where the team needed significant improvement and then signed them even if they cost a lot and took one or two transfer windows for the deal to be completed. In hindsight that looks like a really good plan because it's gotten us some really huge improvements over what we had before, like VVD and Alisson. But it also depends on paying a lot of money and on the player wanting to come play for the club, which Liverpool have been able to do because the club has been willing to spend big on top targets (helped by some wizardry in selling poo poo players for big money and some huge outgoing transfers like Coutinho) and the club is contending for and winning big trophies while playing fun attacking football, which makes the club an attractive place for top players to go. But the lesson United seem to have taken from that is "identify one top target and then sign them no matter what" without realizing the rest of what made Liverpool's approach work.
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vyelkin posted:I think United learned the wrong lesson from Liverpool's transfers over the last few years where Klopp identified players who were his #1 targets in areas where the team needed significant improvement and then signed them even if they cost a lot and took one or two transfer windows for the deal to be completed. In hindsight that looks like a really good plan because it's gotten us some really huge improvements over what we had before, like VVD and Alisson. But it also depends on paying a lot of money and on the player wanting to come play for the club, which Liverpool have been able to do because the club has been willing to spend big on top targets (helped by some wizardry in selling poo poo players for big money and some huge outgoing transfers like Coutinho) and the club is contending for and winning big trophies while playing fun attacking football, which makes the club an attractive place for top players to go. Well it also helped that we had basically a complete team by the time we got to spaffing all the money on VVD and Alisson, Utd arent in that same position
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Lots of chat on this story now. https://twitter.com/SkySportsLyall/status/1311402507072163840
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CyberPingu posted:Well it also helped that we had basically a complete team by the time we got to spaffing all the money on VVD and Alisson, Utd arent in that same position loving insane given the sheer number of players they've bought over the years i think they've spent fine they bought players who were good to excellent at the clubs they got them from but their poo poo coaching ruined them
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vyelkin posted:I think United learned the wrong lesson from Liverpool's transfers over the last few years where Klopp identified players who were his #1 targets in areas where the team needed significant improvement and then signed them even if they cost a lot and took one or two transfer windows for the deal to be completed. In hindsight that looks like a really good plan because it's gotten us some really huge improvements over what we had before, like VVD and Alisson. But it also depends on paying a lot of money and on the player wanting to come play for the club, which Liverpool have been able to do because the club has been willing to spend big on top targets (helped by some wizardry in selling poo poo players for big money and some huge outgoing transfers like Coutinho) and the club is contending for and winning big trophies while playing fun attacking football, which makes the club an attractive place for top players to go.
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mila kunis posted:loving insane given the sheer number of players they've bought over the years How many of their players would have been good buys for the transfer fees and wages they spent for clubs without their massive piles of noodle partnership money to piss away? Maguire, Wan-Bissaka, Pogba? The same goes for the massive increases in wages for squad players that makes them impossible to shift. Their massive financial advantage over everyone except city has been covering for incredible incompetence for a while now.
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mila kunis posted:i think they've spent fine they bought players who were good to excellent at the clubs they got them from but their poo poo coaching ruined them Who specifically are you thinking of? I'm not necessarily disagreeing entirely, as I do think there are some players United have mismanaged over the years, I think a far bigger problem has been wasting money on bad buys.
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