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You are aware that it's the land that's ridiculously expensive in California, right? Not the houses? You can (and people do!) pay hundreds of thousands for a bare lot, upwards of millions depending on the location and what kind of development it's cleared for. And what the hell is wrong with stick-built construction? Anyway I'm sorry you've lived in some poo poo houses, but I don't think they're remotely a peculiarly Californian invention.
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We always lived in rentals in California and the lack of overhead lighting annoyed me the most. Then we were encouraged to save electricity. Everyone just lives in shadows during the daytime, then uses a mediocre Costco floor lamp at night. (The actual owned houses I've visited had windows and lights in comfortable places.) Maybe it's just my bad luck…
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There were a LOT of poo poo houses built post-war but they're mostly still standing in CA because the environment here means they won't instantly rot in the first bad storm or collapse with a heavy snow. Kinda the opposite where in the northeast there's a shitload of foundation issues from the freeze/thaw cycle and water getting into basements and poo poo while it's not nearly as bad a problem in a place like SoCal. Doesn't mean they're built any better, we just don't have basements and build on slab so we don't deal with that.
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peanut posted:We always lived in rentals in California and the lack of overhead lighting annoyed me the most. This is pretty common in homes built before the 90s. They certainly didn't have $15 LED puck lights back then. I actually prefer floor/table lamps for living areas and bedrooms over recessed/puck lights (fight me.) LED recessed lights are tough to do without being harsh, even with a dimmer, and so many installs I've seen are atrocious. Now, for work rooms (kitchen, laundry, garage, etc.) light the poo poo out of that with whatever.
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Sep 29, 2020 01:14
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Allow me to present: Beerhalla.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Allow me to present: Beerhalla. Wow. They're going to have to shave some more money off that price. I would imagine 20K or so under the 107-110K valuation of the neighboring places to offset the cost of undoing all that bullshit. (I do like the large shower stall with glass doors)
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Sep 30, 2020 00:52
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 I imagine this is what a European beer drinker's version of Hell looks like.
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Sep 30, 2020 01:03
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What happens when you trip and crumple a can wall? I mean it would make more sense to just buy can label wallpaper but 
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Allow me to present: Beerhalla. This dude died of cancer under 70...I wonder why?
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Sep 30, 2020 01:23
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cowofwar posted:What happens when you trip and crumple a can wall? I mean it would make more sense to just buy can label wallpaper but Based on that dining room picture, you just leave the crumpled can in place forever.
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Sep 30, 2020 01:34
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I like to imagine the walls are actually freestanding and you're one trip or slammed door away from them all falling apart.
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Sep 30, 2020 01:35
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Building walls out of beer cans is like building with these bricks. https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/erlvsq/id_say_these_look_pretty_unsafe_to_use/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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Sep 30, 2020 02:21
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 if you want to build out of beer containers, the Heineken brick bottle is a much better choice https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/when-heineken-bottles-were-square-62138490/
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Sep 30, 2020 03:43
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 With mismatched outlet directions too, I wonder what else is hosed up?
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Sep 30, 2020 06:57
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Maybe there are structural concerns, but those three windows with the dummy thicc pillars betwixt them are silly. Give me one big window.
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Sep 30, 2020 07:02
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Tag yourself. I'm the opening for the dishwasher that's way too wide
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Sep 30, 2020 07:59
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I'm the unsatisfyingly thin board enclosing the dishwasher space.
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Sep 30, 2020 08:12
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I'm the lightbulb with the ac plug on the end
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Sep 30, 2020 08:18
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Im the haphazard can light placement
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Sep 30, 2020 08:32
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I'm the two light switches on different walls within a foot of each other.
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Sep 30, 2020 08:37
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i'm the hanging lamps that are nearly at counter level
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Sep 30, 2020 08:58
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Super Soaker Party! posted:Stick construction is stupid and dumb at the best of times, but California really takes it to the next level Stick construction is fine, but in north america they make real bad examples of it.
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Imagine being a landless serf who can't build his home from 100+ year old timbers 
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I'm the.. wait, where's the sink?  I guess it's that silver blip on the back counter, but it looks laughably small for a kitchen sink, perspective be damned. Looks like they haven't installed a faucet yet either, or they installed it on the left side and picked a fixture small enough to be obscured by a lightbulb. Nevermind the fact that the sink and the stove should be swapped. Dr.Smasher posted:Tag yourself. I'm the opening for the dishwasher that's way too wide By popular demand posted:I'm the unsatisfyingly thin board enclosing the dishwasher space. ..I think that's a mini fridge.
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Zamujasa posted:i'm the hanging lamps that are nearly at counter level Now, that's some high-level trolling by the electricians (as if)
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kid sinister please post the listing, I have to see the rest of the house. I could almost understand most of the lovely choices here with the exception of those pendant lights. What the gently caress??
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Bees on Wheat posted:..I think that's a mini fridge. Oh poo poo it is, I have one of those at work This has to be some weird basement rental conversion or something.
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Sirotan posted:kid sinister please post the listing, I have to see the rest of the house. Sorry, it was just a singular post off of Reddit.
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Sep 30, 2020 16:07
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That poo poo's all photoshopped up, come on guys.
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Super Soaker Party! posted:Yoooooo unless you live in a different California than I do, "classic mid-century California houses" isn't the loving pinnacle of construction you seem to think it is. As a transplant to California, I can confirm that as lovely and dumb as US housing is in general, California is worse. Ten loving times worse. Because guess what, in an environment that isn't rough on houses in the least, it turns out their builders will cut corners (literally) that would border on criminal in other states that have weather. California houses, ESPECIALLY the ones thrown up after the war, are little more than lovely wooden tents. Sheathing, proper insulation, guarding against water entry? Who gives a poo poo, it's never gonna rain, just throw that sucker up and move the gently caress on. The house I was living in a few years ago was in a development (built in the mid-50s) where it was well-known that the developer would put down the rebar for a house's slab pour, get it inspected and passed, then promptly move the rebar to the next house's foundation and pour the first house's slab. Cue every house in the neighborhood having huge settling and cracking issues because, y'know, there was no loving reinforcement in their slabs. (And I mean this settling happened while I was living in it after a whole bunch of rain in one El Nino year, it wasn't because of Loma Prieta 30 years ago). Southern California homeowner here, originally from the northeast. It really blew my loving mind when I realized there was no sheathing and the frame is just wrapped in 14 gauge wire every 12", then covered in house wrap paper, and then stucco on top.
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FogHelmut posted:Southern California homeowner here, originally from the northeast. It really blew my loving mind when I realized there was no sheathing and the frame is just wrapped in 14 gauge wire every 12", then covered in house wrap paper, and then stucco on top. Wait, what?? It's just the framing and then some sort of paper/wrap and stucco? No ply or boards? Where does the house get any sheer strength?
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Baronjutter posted:Wait, what?? It's just the framing and then some sort of paper/wrap and stucco? No ply or boards? Where does the house get any sheer strength? I imagine that the 14 gauge wire every 12" gives it lateral strength. Still not something I'd ever heard of, let alone seen, before.
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Baronjutter posted:Wait, what?? It's just the framing and then some sort of paper/wrap and stucco? No ply or boards? Where does the house get any sheer strength? From hopes and dreams
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Baronjutter posted:Wait, what?? It's just the framing and then some sort of paper/wrap and stucco? No ply or boards? Where does the house get any sheer strength? Diagonal braces lapped over the studs can give sheer strength as an alternative to plywood. Maybe that's what you meant by "boards". I can't imagine that builders would rely on wire alone for strength; I'm pretty sure the wire is just meant to give the stucco something to hold onto. That said, I'm more used to seeing chicken wire or something that looks like it -- a grid of fine wire, anyway. So who knows what's going on down there.
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FogHelmut posted:Southern California homeowner here, originally from the northeast. It really blew my loving mind when I realized there was no sheathing and the frame is just wrapped in 14 gauge wire every 12", then covered in house wrap paper, and then stucco on top. Really handy if you ever need to escape but can't get to a door or window tho. Just punch your way through the drywall to freedom.
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Sloppy posted:That poo poo's all photoshopped up, come on guys. There might be some photoshop elsewhere in that photo but I’m gonna call the pendant lights as real because each one has a reflection in the backsplash tile at the same level, on each wall
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Those pendant lamps are supposed to have a second hanger that suspends them center over the middle of the countertop. The extra cord gets looped in some way to keep them at the right height. It probably hasn't been done yet because they were repainting the ceiling, of what is probably a garbage basement-level apartment.
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Baronjutter posted:Wait, what?? It's just the framing and then some sort of paper/wrap and stucco? No ply or boards? Where does the house get any sheer strength? I read somewhere that code only required (requires?) sheathing or sheer boards on/near corners of the house. Proteus Jones posted:I imagine that the 14 gauge wire every 12" gives it lateral strength. Still not something I'd ever heard of, let alone seen, before. I went and measured, its 5" not 12". Hadn't really looked at it in a while. TooMuchAbstraction posted:Diagonal braces lapped over the studs can give sheer strength as an alternative to plywood. Maybe that's what you meant by "boards". I can't imagine that builders would rely on wire alone for strength; I'm pretty sure the wire is just meant to give the stucco something to hold onto. That said, I'm more used to seeing chicken wire or something that looks like it -- a grid of fine wire, anyway. So who knows what's going on down there. The wire is on the studs. The paper is over the wire. The stucco lath (its probably off the shelf chicken wire and not actual lath) is over the paper with 3 layers of stucco. Here is an exposed section in my garage. Stucco is right on the other side of that paper.  One positive is that the house breathes and the stucco doesn't rot out all of the sheathing like many recently built homes in the northeast are finding out. FogHelmut fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Sep 30, 2020 |
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MRC48B posted:Those pendant lamps are supposed to have a second hanger that suspends them center over the middle of the countertop. The extra cord gets looped in some way to keep them at the right height. Nah, you're supposed to trim the wire to the desired height when you install them. I can only assume what you see there is the cord length out of the factory and it was literally babbys first light fixture install. Or the flipper was just a moron. Possibly both.
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Jesus, I thought the wire and wrap chat was just a joke that some people ran with
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