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Defiance Industries posted:Starship Troopers was originally a movie called "Bug Hunt At Outpost 9" and was well into production before the studio bought the rights to adapt the book. Verhoeven only read like two chapters of the novel and hated it. Troopers was originally a different script but there's enough similarities that someone definitely read the books. Honestly plot wise its a decent adaptation if you cut the officer training and added a silly romance; even apart from the whole satire of its own source material
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Oct 1, 2020 02:59
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Yeah it's really awful stuff. When was it?
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Oct 1, 2020 03:16
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... Wait, I thought Starship Troopers was some pretty readable pulp. The message was garbage, but I deffo read the whole thing in one go no problem
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Oct 1, 2020 03:21
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GD_American posted:I seriously get as much enjoyment from people learning (or remembering) awful parts of the comic as I do actually watching the show Ya I read the comics recently out of curiosity and it was pretty  They were interesting enough that I don't regret it but boy you sure need a decently thick skin to get through them. It was kinda worth it just get a sense of how the show has toned a lot of the stuff from the comics down but ratcheted a couple of things way up (mostly Homelander, who seems to have started the show with a higher level of directly threatening malice than he ended his arc in the comic with, to excellent effect)
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Oct 1, 2020 03:27
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The Boys: A reverse of Game Of Thrones where is source material is unquestionably bad, but the show is surprisingly good despite it.
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Oct 1, 2020 04:01
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The game of thrones novels are hardly good literature, and the comics aren't that bad, ennis just happens to have a very...crass style.
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Oct 1, 2020 04:03
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I thought the 1st half of Game of Thrones was supposed to be pretty good? Up till they ran out of novels to adapt?
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Oct 1, 2020 04:14
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Fionordequester posted:I thought the 1st half of Game of Thrones was supposed to be pretty good? Up till they ran out of novels to adapt? Seasons one, two, and a lesser extent three are decent. The problem is george isn't actually a very good writer and he's a worse plotter. He's wrote himself into a corner that no decent writer would've and any chance of it ending satisfyingly are long gone. The Got showrunners just happen to be uniquely inept and did a worse job than anyone could've expected, and in the process cratered a franchise that made HBO millions and could've made millions more.
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Oct 1, 2020 04:21
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I started reading the comics just to see how much different it was from the show. (Incredibly different). Definitely reeks of edgelord teenage bullshit humor. And cause the whole series was $15 during a Humble Bundle
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Oct 1, 2020 04:24
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I'm on the third TPB of the comic and it is.... not great? I don't know if I'll buy the fourth, I'm slowly souring on the whole thing. It's incredible how much better the show is
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Oct 1, 2020 04:31
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It's mostly just gross and miserable. All the way through. There's like one good reveal at the very end.
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Oct 1, 2020 04:32
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I don't even remember how fast I stopped reading the comic. Every issue I was getting more and more grossed out. And not because I don't like gore, hell I love me some good gory horror movies, but because:Romes128 posted:reeks of edgelord teenage bullshit humor. I think I never reached MM's story, but I did read Love Sausage's issue? I dunno, I guess I blocked a lot, and the show is a million times much better.
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Oct 1, 2020 04:53
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Desperado Bones posted:I think I never reached MM's story, but I did read Love Sausage's issue? I dunno, I guess I blocked a lot, and the show is a million times much better. *Mom worked at a Vought plant, got V in her blood and resulted in Inectually Disabled brother that needed a helmet at all times and was kinda chunky, and MM who was frail as poo poo until he consumed his mother's breastmilk, nearly killing him 3ach time she tried to wean him off of her milk * Brother's supe-power manifests suddenly (extreme growth kind of like The Blob) and the helmet on his head causes clamps down on his skull, killing him as his body expanded * MM's Dad does the Self-Taught Lawyer thing and takes suit to Vought over the death, MM's frailty, and their mother's, uh, illness... * Dad works himself ragged but Vought had money and lawyers so it drags on and on and on * Dad wins a minor victory and like a madman devotes himself to taking them down. Dies of a stroke/heart attack in the middle of the night while preparing more legal docs. * MM joins the armed forces and his supe power activates in a boxing match so he knocks the head off of his opponent and lands in jail. * Recruited to The Boys, Marries, Has a Kid. Wife ends up being a V-crackhead. * Daughter has Compound V in her blood which gives her Super Puberty and ends up looking like Niki Minaj/Cardi B at age 11 or some gross rear end poo poo. * MM discovers his wife and underage daughter are doing gangbang porn and tears rear end to stop that poo poo * MM's wife dissappears with daughter, MM tracks daughter down to learn that Butcher murdered the porn crew and the wife and told child to stay the gently caress away from MM. * After MM's death, we see that his mother has turned into a grotesquely fat person with prehensile tentacle nipples that she uses to feed whomever comes in contact with her, only being able to say My Boy
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Oct 1, 2020 05:15
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FilthyImp posted:So just to reiterate how terrible MM was done in the comic: 
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Oct 1, 2020 05:46
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I never read the comics, but.....
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Oct 1, 2020 05:46
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FilthyImp posted:So just to reiterate how terrible MM was done in the comic: Seriously hope they avoid this.
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Oct 1, 2020 05:49
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Fionordequester posted:I thought the 1st half of Game of Thrones was supposed to be pretty good? Up till they ran out of novels to adapt? The general idea is that the GoT books were supposed to somewhere around 3 or 4 books' worth of a saga, but George was compelled by his publisher to throw more books in the middle before he finished the whole thing off. As a result, the story got bloated with lots of characters and tonal shifts and other problems. This ended up getting mirrored in the show adaptation. Seasons 1-4 of the show are considered to be fantastic. Season 5 is when the show starts to degrade, because it's kind of stuck idling where George left off. Then Season 6 starts, and characters start doing some Hollywood stuff, including really cliche dialogue and deus ex machina. Then Season 7 starts, and the dialogue gets gently caress-awful and the plot is absolutely awful and meme-written. Then Season 8 starts and the problems of Season 7 are magnified by a thousand and the thing just ends.
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Oct 1, 2020 05:50
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FilthyImp posted:GROSS GROSS gently caress that. I'm glad I stopped reading. I hope the show writers continue on making their own and much better stories for all the characters and never touch that crap.
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Oct 1, 2020 05:54
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DogsInSpace! posted:Jesus...I hope NONE of that makes it in the show but maybe the Dad. I guess I never read the Boys and... I can live with that. There’s like, a couple tiny grains of good ideas in there. His brother dying because of Vought’s negligence (not because he was developmentally disabled and had to wear a helmet what the gently caress Ennis) and his dad going on an ultimately fruitless crusade to bring them down have potential, and they’ve already dropped hints about the latter. The rest can go right in the bin because it’s hot garbage.
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Oct 1, 2020 05:57
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DogsInSpace! posted:Jesus...I hope NONE of that makes it in the show but maybe the Dad. I guess I never read the Boys and... I can live with that. Dad was in the show already, a crusading lawyer who worked himself to death.
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Oct 1, 2020 06:00
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Have they already explained MM's name. Because boy howdy, it needs to not be the explanation from the comics. There is also his OCD Starlight pointed out on their road trip, I hope that one isn't because he has to Lady MacBeth away his mother's milk.
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Oct 1, 2020 06:02
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Grendels Dad posted:Have they already explained MM's name. Because boy howdy, it needs to not be the explanation from the comics. There is also his OCD Starlight pointed out on their road trip, I hope that one isn't because he has to Lady MacBeth away his mother's milk. They've called him Mothers Milk in the show already. They don't really explain it. Comes off more as a nickname.
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Oct 1, 2020 06:09
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Romes128 posted:They've called him Mothers Milk in the show already. They don't really explain it. Comes off more as a nickname. "no, my mother actually named me Mother's Milk" "Did she?" "Wait did she?" In the van outside popclaws apartment in season 1
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Oct 1, 2020 06:34
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Don't they call him Marvin also
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Oct 1, 2020 06:36
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Romes128 posted:They've called him Mothers Milk in the show already. They don't really explain it. Comes off more as a nickname. I think he or Butcher say "because he's so pure" Plan Z posted:The general idea is that the GoT books were supposed to somewhere around 3 or 4 books' worth of a saga, but George was compelled by his publisher to throw more books in the middle before he finished the whole thing off. As a result, the story got bloated with lots of characters and tonal shifts and other problems. This ended up getting mirrored in the show adaptation. 5 is also where they decide the overall point the books have been making, that violence doesn't permanently solve anything, is wrong. That's why they kill Doran, the character who exists to make that point.
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Oct 1, 2020 06:36
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Romes128 posted:Don't they call him Marvin also
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Oct 1, 2020 06:37
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Isn't his name in the show Marvin Milk? Given how caring and supportive he is as a person, it's no surprise he would end up with that nickname. And one thing from the comics that would have been a good addition to the story they told on the show was when his father was fighting Vought in the courts and, after years of soul crushing effort, won a small victory against them and on the way out of the courtroom, MM overhears one of Vought's lawyer casually say, "Oh well, you win some you lose some. Sushi for lunch?" and realises that, to Vought, his family's suffering, his father's efforts were just nothing. That everything his father had given up to fight Vought meant nothing. That little moment when MM sees the world for what it is was one of the few good things that stuck with me from the comics.
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Oct 1, 2020 06:50
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mllaneza posted:Dad was in the show already, a crusading lawyer who worked himself to death. Bussamove posted:There’s like, a couple tiny grains of good ideas in there. His brother dying because of Vought’s negligence (not because he was developmentally disabled and had to wear a helmet what the gently caress Ennis) and his dad going on an ultimately fruitless crusade to bring them down have potential, and they’ve already dropped hints about the latter. Yeah leave the Dad crusader parts and forget the rest. Those “nuggets” could be ok... just glad I didn’t know before checking the show out. Almost was going to read it based on Love Sausage panels. I vaguely remember the Ennis run on Hellblazer and 2000AD were decent.
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Oct 1, 2020 06:52
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I am pretty sure they have called him Marvin once or twice. He was called Marvin Milk on the news once they become known fugitives.
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Oct 1, 2020 07:39
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Ennis does great work when he has an editor to ride herd on him. Stuff like Hitman is amazing if a bit weird. Just the bit where he goes to the jla meetup to look at Wonder Woman with his x-ray vision was hilarious. Also had one of the best Superman stories I've read. Unfortunately it also had some mobster who's constantly on the shitter. Some good, some bad. I'm just glad the boys managed to scavenge the good ideas out of the comic and leave the worst behind (so far).
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Oct 1, 2020 07:54
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I don't remember the novel Song of Solomon super well, but the main character, Macon Dead III, is given the nickname of "Milkman" and it sticks with him all his life because he was breastfed until he was like four. It deals heavily with the Black experience in America and mythology related to people being able to fly to escape slavery, racism, etc. Mother's Milk kinda maybe works as a reference to that? Would be... interesting if Ennis intended that, given the comics' apparently terrible handling of Black characters, but who knows.
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Oct 1, 2020 08:15
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That Italian Guy posted:He was called Marvin Milk on the news once they become known fugitives. He's also listed as Marvin T Milk on the wanted poster.
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Oct 1, 2020 09:26
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A lot about The Boys makes sense realising it was apparently written when Ennis was entirely sick of superheroes and actively trying to get fired.
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Oct 1, 2020 11:06
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Sad I never got a chance to vote and also sad to learn more about the comics
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Oct 1, 2020 11:09
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot about The Boys makes sense realising it was apparently written when Ennis was entirely sick of superheroes and actively trying to get fired. It really paints them out as the worst scum of the Earth. Just being a supe makes you a horrible person - V seems to be somehow related to how deranged supes are, although for the most it's just the "end of the roman empire" decadence that's attached to be allowed to do whatever you want whenever you want it. Supes in the series are far more "real" in the way they are terrible people. Basically every supe down to tier C ones is constantly in this state:  Which makes it kinda ironic that comics HL is a lot less unhinged in contrast - he's just a scheming, greedy, patronizing, right wing capitalist tool for most of the comic run. EDIT: although I also liked how terrifyingly calm HL becomes once he starts believing he has nothing in common with humanity. This is the tipping point for HL going "bad" in the comic, during the BELIEVE festival, which happens towards the end of the comic. Some family has won a car during the festival and HL is supposed to fly them home.   Although...things take a turn for the worse quite fast.  
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Oct 1, 2020 11:12
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DogsInSpace! posted:Yeah leave the Dad crusader parts and forget the rest. Those “nuggets” could be ok... just glad I didn’t know before checking the show out. Almost was going to read it based on Love Sausage panels. I vaguely remember the Ennis run on Hellblazer and 2000AD were decent. When they were on the road trip with Annie, MM talked about his dad's typewriter and how he could hear the keys clacking at all hours of the night until one morning when they found him slumped over dead sitting at it. At that scene, my reaction was 'Okay, let's not go any further than that on his backstory from the comics'. They could pull some stuff like his mother being exposed to V/his brother being exposed to V and dying because of it but leave all the gross stupid shock poo poo on the cutting room floor, which they've been amazing at doing with everything else.
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Oct 1, 2020 13:24
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That Italian Guy posted:EDIT: although I also liked how terrifyingly calm HL becomes once he starts believing he has nothing in common with humanity. This is the tipping point for HL going "bad" in the comic, during the BELIEVE festival, which happens towards the end of the comic. That sequence was definitely one of Homelander's strongest character moments in the comic and I hope it makes it into the show in some form. I think it'd work pretty well for TV Homelander's downward spiral as well.
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Oct 1, 2020 13:36
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Good Lord Fisher! posted:That sequence was definitely one of Homelander's strongest character moments in the comic and I hope it makes it into the show in some form. I think it'd work pretty well for TV Homelander's downward spiral as well. I feel like that's just another day at the office, for TV Homelander.
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Oct 1, 2020 13:42
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Good Lord Fisher! posted:That sequence was definitely one of Homelander's strongest character moments in the comic and I hope it makes it into the show in some form. I think it'd work pretty well for TV Homelander's downward spiral as well. 100% agree, that’s one of HL’s best moments and I think Showlander is in the perfect place in his arc for it.
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Oct 1, 2020 13:43
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I like Garth Ennis' Punisher MAX run. Probably because there's almost no sexual stuff in it, just wall-to-wall violence and psychopathy. 60 year old Frank Castle out there being a murder machine in a world without supes was fun.
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