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I mostly stopped watching because 4 episodes in I still hadn't figured out what the show was supposed to be about. "10 hours of padding" makes me think that wasn't' actually answered at any point.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:also the biggest thing thats annoyed me this entire season isn't any of the inexplicable behavior, its that the non-Mithraic have to be ATHEISTS!!!!!! instead of just, you know, not believing in the Mithraic religion. I also hate it but it helps to think about it in terms of the Mithraic worldview, and in that way I think it's pretty good for worldbuilding, except they never bothered to explain it. Of course a world-dominating religion which employs super weapons would have a single word for non-believers and lump 'everyone else' all in together linguistically. The writers just chose a word with strange real-world connotations that crosses the uncanny valley and never bothered to explain why the audience should view it differently than that, which, to be honest is a strength or a weakness of this show depending on your perspective. E: There is a scene in EP 1 when the Mithriac cleric approaches mother and Campion for the first time and he says 'what is your faith', and her response is 'we are not believers', which I think means atheist is a branded term and not a self-identification. It's the Mithraic n-word. Sally Sprodgkin fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Idk about that the show seems to have gone out of its way to make people identified as Atheists talk like mid-2000s New Atheists. "Mithraic n-word" is a good username though.
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Oct 1, 2020 15:14
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Sheriff Falc posted:I also hate it but it helps to think about it in terms of the Mithraic worldview, and in that way I think it's pretty good for worldbuilding, except they never bothered to explain it. in the first episode mother tells the children that they're explicitly atheists (the "atheists sent us here") and says "belief in the unreal can comfort the human mind, but also weakens it. the civilization you're seeding here will be built on humanity's belief in itself, not an imagined deity." she also tells campion "only science can help you - you are atheists, peaceful, technocratic." I know the comparison has been made before, but it really did feel like that awful South Park episode.
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Oct 1, 2020 15:15
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Haha Father is jealous Space Ragnar tripping balls on Necromancer eye juice is  "They're devolving"  Gonz posted:Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... The whole final 15 mins  badjohny posted:I got the impression that the 2nd ark was from a different religion. It had a different symbol on the bottom of it. I thought the Followers of Sol only had enough resources for one ark, but that does not mean other religions didn't also have arks. Ya this was my read on it too.
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This show has interesting aesthetics but it's way too predictable. The last episode just felt like knocking over dominoes we already saw set up. Nothing much new there. Like, it was pretty clear from episode 5 or whatever that Mother was going to give birth to a flying snake creature which isn't even the same species as the skeletons of the other snake creatures we've seen, then she and Father were going to take the lander straight through the planet core into the tropical zone and then jump out, and meanwhile there are de-evolving humans and also an android and also a new ark and also Ragner got superpowers from eating an eyeball but now he's also tripping balls. Like, if you've seen even half the series you already know what that spoiler is going to say.
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Oct 1, 2020 15:21
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:in the first episode mother tells the children that they're explicitly atheists (the "atheists sent us here") and says "belief in the unreal can comfort the human mind, but also weakens it. the civilization you're seeding here will be built on humanity's belief in itself, not an imagined deity." she also tells campion "only science can help you - you are atheists, peaceful, technocratic." I know the comparison has been made before, but it really did feel like that awful South Park episode. True. The only answer I have is that after some time it would follow a course of reason for the 'atheists' to self-identify with their branding and use it. Perhaps they have been persecuted to the point of losing their own linguistic ques. This is not uncommon in history and seems to fit with the guerrilla atheists we're shown in the show, who don't seem to have a cohesive power structure. I think we've now thought about this more than the show-runners did though. There might not be a satisfying answer.
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When Mother? Father? said "They're devolving." I knew exactly what kind of finale and show it was going to be. Now I am here for all the stupid. Also the s2 thread title should be  in Space.
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Oct 1, 2020 15:28
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also mother literally howls like a wolf in the first episode - thats just one they threw in for the careful watchers, though. a little easter egg so to speak.
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Oct 1, 2020 15:29
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Also wait aren't neanderthals smarter than humans? Or at least have bigger brains or something? Homo sapiens just outbred them so we won through numbers. Devolving doesn't even fit in that context.  I will fully admit to being wrong on this nitpick so feel free to correct me.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Also wait aren't neanderthals smarter than humans? Or at least have bigger brains or something? Homo sapiens just outbred them so we won through numbers. fun fact: you can't actually devolve, you just evolve into something new. its very troubling that the ATHEISTS who LOVE SCIENCE don't know this. quote:From a biological perspective, there is no such thing as devolution. All changes in the gene frequencies of populations--and quite often in the traits those genes influence--are by definition evolutionary changes. The notion that humans might regress or "devolve" presumes that there is a preferred hierarchy of structure and function--say, that legs with feet are better than legs with hooves or that breathing with lungs is better than breathing with gills. But for the organisms possessing those structures, each is a useful adaptation. (For real this show is kind of bad but also has good visuals but yes if you think too hard about the plot or the dialogue your head starts to hurt)
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lol yeah saying "they're devolving!!!" had me laughing
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:fun fact: you can't actually devolve, you just evolve into something new. its very troubling that the ATHEISTS who LOVE SCIENCE don't know this. Right. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-evolution-brought-flightless-bird-back-extinction-180972166/ quote:Around 136,000 years ago, the Aldabra atoll in the Indian Ocean was inundated by a major flood that wiped out all the terrestrial animals that lived there—among them a species of flightless bird called the Aldabra rail. Tens of thousands of years later, sea levels fell back, once again making life possible on the atoll. And, according to a new study, the once-extinct Aldabra rail came back. This article is what I was reminded of. Birds just evolved CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Right. Right - except (small nitpick) you don't evolve "back" - because back connotes a hierarchy of traits - you just evolve.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Also wait aren't neanderthals smarter than humans? Or at least have bigger brains or something? Homo sapiens just outbred them so we won through numbers. Neanderthals had larger brain cases and more brawn, which required more calories to keep running. Homo sapiens are lighter, leaner, and can be fueled by total garbage for endless generations, so we edged them out. Our propensity for loving literally anything helped preserve some Neanderthal traits which wore down to lil genes over time. So in a way fragments of them get to witness the collapse of the civilizations of the shrieking, less-smart, trasher eaters which out competed them.  
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Oct 1, 2020 16:38
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HAHAHAHAHA HAHA man that ending. HAHA. eh
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DrPop posted:Idk about that the show seems to have gone out of its way to make people identified as Atheists talk like mid-2000s New Atheists. Yeah, it's super weird and feels a little bit like the writers wanted to embed some late 90s/early 2000s internet flame wars into the show for... no reason? I get the sense that it's the same reason that we've got weirdo Mithraics instead of Christians or whatever, though. They really wanted a show with religious wars that goes out of its way to not paint the religious people as the bad guys.
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I wonder why "Sol" told Paul that they have to stay on "this side of the planet" and not go to the tropical zone because it's not safe for the baby. Did "Sol" know what the baby actually is? It seemed to be just fine in the final scene. Maybe the tropical zone is the atheist paradise and Space Ragnar walked really far really fast and found them. What I'm saying is strap in boys, space snake is in charge now. https://i.imgur.com/oXLJkMa.mp4
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^^ I'm sure it will all be explain-ahahahahahahahParadoxish posted:Yeah, it's super weird and feels a little bit like the writers wanted to embed some late 90s/early 2000s internet flame wars into the show for... no reason? Agreed. The show really suffers because of this, though. I said this earlier in the thread but the Mithraic religion as shown in the show seems pretty milquetoast and inoffensive. They could build it up with some kind of religious syncretic background but haven't really done that; the only indicator of such is the medical droid in episode two singing Good King Wenceslas as he works on Mary and Caleb. And that's probably just an oversight/meaningless like MarySue saying "Jesus Christ." So far the biggest knock against the Mithraics seems to be that they made Necromancers.
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Should have been the series finale. Don't know where else they could go with this e: also, lmao every single theory was wrong. Nobody itt predicted mother givjng birth to a flying baby snake and then travelling through the planet core GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Oct 1, 2020 19:43
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I thought about it, I just didn't want to ruin the surprise 
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Gotta wait for my dealer to drop off lunch before I can find proper inspiration to write up about the clerarly kabbalistic themes of this show 
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DrPop posted:Lol, and furthermore, lmao
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Everyone on this show is a complete smooth brain but the androids are the worst "We need to kill this alien snake baby" "Let's throw it down a hole" "No it can fly" "Then the only possible remaining option, literally the only conceivable tactic, is to put it inside an aircraft and fly it into the hole and ram into the core of the planet" Just exquisite. I don't mean that as an insult, it's incredible screenwriting. An absolute commitment to transcending the banal nerd constraints of 'logic'.
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Ridley Scott is doing an ama right now https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/j3dq5n
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General Battuta posted:Everyone on this show is a complete smooth brain but the androids are the worst "We need to kill this alien snake baby" "Let's throw it down a hole" "No it can fly" "Then the only possible remaining option, literally the only conceivable tactic, is to put it inside an aircraft and fly it into the hole and ram into the core of the planet" It was amazing since it came like one scene after the scene where someone got shot with a gun. Edit: the only non-pointless answer so far from the AMA 
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Azhais posted:Ridley Scott is doing an ama right now I've contributed my articulate and necessary thoughts, wasting no one's time at all. quote:I just watched the Raised by Wolves season finale and what? What? What is...what?
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General Battuta posted:An absolute commitment to transcending the banal nerd constraints of 'logic'. Thread title?
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Ok folks, now that the first shock has worn off its time to get the brain trust together and solve this thing - We know neanderthals evolved on earth and very likely never went into space, so there are some ancient aliens involved who brought them over - caves paintings usually do not predicted the future so there is some time travellin' going on - the snakes are definitely the baddies in this thing - the weird dodecahedron with the disk jockey helmet is a birthing chamber for flying snakes and it had a dead necromancer in it who probably have birth to some snake - sol is a snake/former snake - pepe silvia??? What can we do with this? Anyone has a good theory? Questions that are still open: - why did all the weird poo poo only start after the ark appeared? what triggered sol to appear? - are white guys neanderthal descendents? - if the snakes are mammals, do they have tits?
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The AMA includes this beauty:HBOMax on behalf of Ridley Scott posted:The trick of what I do for a living is to avoid repetition and, at all costs, try to search for originality and freshness. I guess you couldn't say you'd ever seen space snakes being born from an android's mouth before.
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It’s not a snake. It’s a lamprey. A space lamprey. Him a big boy.
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Gonz posted:It’s not a snake. It's actually Satan and they have landed in the tropical zone which is Eden.
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GABA ghoul posted:Ok folks, now that the first shock has worn off its time to get the brain trust together and solve this thing In the context of the completely idiotic “they’re devolving” line I think the story is that homo sapiens either came from or arrived to Kepler 22b and then somehow “devolved” into homo neanderthalensis.
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Someone mentioned a comic book that explained some things. If you google for it official HBO material says the 1st issue is free and you can apparently download it in a comic book app or Kindle or something. But if you don’t have those then search for “raised by wolves #1 download” and find a link there. E: I had an actual link but I realized that it might be a gray area cause there are other comic books to read on that site that probably aren’t free so just to be safe. E2: Just wanna be clear official HBO material says the first episode is available for free so I don’t see an issue with finding jpegs of it online to read instead of downloading a comic book app that you’re going to use once. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:Someone mentioned a comic book that explained some things. If you google for it it says the 1st issue is free. No
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Yes i realize my mistake so could you edit that link out.
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Here's a link from a legit comics site (and it is legitimately free)
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so here's a thought, since the "carbos" were radioactive, and only grew around the bones of the snakes couldn't one possible reason for that be that they absorbed radioactivity(?)/radioactive properties from the android milkblood in their evolution, and whatever mineral present in the cores of the carbos absorbed that, when growing around snakebones? probably thunking too hard about this? that aside... my theory is that there are now three distinct timelines/time periods in the show: the kids are in the "primeline", the androids and snakebaby are in the past, and spacegar somehow warped to a variant of the future, given they "know his ark crashed" and there's a giant one above him. going to lol when spacegar finds out that in future kepler22b the same athiest-mithraic conflict still exists given the children's beliefs, assuming that's a future timeline where they survives. initially I thought he shot the grown versions of the kids, which would have been a pretty hilarious and horrifying moment. I'm in for s2, but yeah no loving idea where they go from here. ex post facho fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Oh my god, I was wrong, it was Earth all along, you've finally made a Edit: This does not take place in the Aliens universe 
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