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Doc Hawkins posted:hello, i am the exception to your straw man: i was immediately stunned by how bad oblivion was when it came out and never played past kvatch. i saw friends play further (common room xbox in college) and saw absolutely nothing to tempt me further. much the opposite! the only fun i had in it was doing the dupe glitch to make fountains of melons and cheese wheels. Nah if you didn't like it right away that's fine. My 'strawman' is a specific type of TES fan that will spend hundreds of hours in the game and say it's garbage. A type of fan mind you that there is plenty of. I do think Bethsoft having essentially infinate money makes it hard to excuse parts of their games. At the same time they make a specific type of game that is very expensive, time consuming, and difficult to make. There is a reason EA and Ubisoft aren't pumping out similar games every other year. I wish Bethsoft had decent competition. It would increase the quality of their games and give us more of them to play. But they don't so sometimes I feel like a kid complaining that their parents bought them the wrong color car.
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Pre-Morrowind chat: Are Arena or Battlespire worth playing? I plan to give Daggerfall Unity a shot at some point as it looks pretty neat, and my first ever Elder Scrolls game was Redguard so I know the answer to that one already.
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Morrowind hamfists all of Daggerfall's endings together:  Tiber Septim sneezes over Cyrodiil: 
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Mode 7 posted:Pre-Morrowind chat: Are Arena or Battlespire worth playing? That really depends on what kind of games you're into. Arena is a barebones dungeon crawler, just with an infinite world full of randomly-generated dungeons to bring it some novelty. (Main quest dungeons are not random, though.) If you're into roguelikes, maybe you'll like that aspect? Gameplay is pretty basic, very AD&D2-inspired (down to having inverted armor classes: the lower the number, the better, if you can get into the negatives you're doing great). There are eight attributes (the same that were kept in Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion), which are randomly rolled at the start so don't hesitate to reroll until you get something good, you choose one class from a list (they've also kept the classes in the next three games) but here only some of the classes can cast spells so if you play a knight for example you're not gonna have magic besides magic items. Speaking of magic items, when you find one, you don't necessarily know what it is. So you may have to bring them to a mages guild first to have them identified. You can't join factions or buy a house or stuff like that. You can only travel through fast travel -- if you walk out of a town's gates, you get into infinite randomly-generated land, and it's not possible to walk to another town -- nor, if you walk far enough, to return to the town you were in -- except by invoking the fast travel screen to get out of infinite randomly-generated land. You can find small dungeons in the wilderness when doing that. You can also find random fast-travel dungeons by going to taverns and asking the bartender for random quests. Several unique artifacts are in the game and doing these random quests is how you can get a chance to have them. All quests are basically "click the new dungeon on your map, then explore it until you find object" with some but not all also having a "then return to questgiver" part. If you play a magic class you can totally cheese most of the dungeons by stocking up on passwall and destroy floor spells. With the spellmaker you can make yourself a tunneling spell that has three passwall effects each destroying 10 cubes of walls, so you can the spell and you can destroy up to 30 walls. Random dungeon levels always have their entry point and destination point (either the quest item or the stairs to the next floor) aligned, so you can walk on a straight line from one to the other by tunneling through walls. Main quest dungeons have indestructible walls (you can tell the difference if the wall is only partial height, you can't destroy it), but that means you can destroy floors instead.
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Also features the most anti-climactic boss fight whose solution was copied and used again in Oblivion.
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Cat Mattress posted:That really depends on what kind of games you're into. Also Battlespire kind of sucks!
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Jazerus posted:yeah but morrowind was made by people who gave a poo poo almost all the same people that worked on morrowind worked on oblivion
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Cat Mattress posted:
Hrm, I like the dumb narrative/lore poo poo in Elder Scrolls so if it's too barebones I might bounce off it, but I do like roguelikes and THAC0 stuff doesn't scare me. Sounds like I'll probably give it a punt but with a hefty dose of guide/walkthrough reading so that I can dodge some of the inevitable trap options in chargen.
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I suppose something I'm curious about with the Microsoft acquisition of Bethesda is, what other studios now have access to the Elder Scrolls IP to make spinoff games? Like, it's been kind of a dream of mine for a while to have a Total War style TES strategy game. I know Creative Assembly is under SEGA and therefore not yet a sister studio, but what other strategy studios are there? Who else exists? What other studios could have fun making games in Tamriel (so long as they RESPECT. THE. LORE.) Berke Negri posted:if youre looking for lore arena is really not the greatest place to go Modern TES lore starts becoming recognizable with Daggerfall (a good chunk of books are from that game, the Eight Divines are known as well as all 16 Daedra, etc.) but yeah it only really congeals into its final form with Redguard/Morrowind (which were to some degree developed at the same time), and Battlespire to some degree for Daedra and such. Sky Shadowing fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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Sep 26, 2020 13:42
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Tamriel Flight Simulator
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Mode 7 posted:Hrm, I like the dumb narrative/lore poo poo in Elder Scrolls so if it's too barebones I might bounce off it, but I do like roguelikes and THAC0 stuff doesn't scare me. Sounds like I'll probably give it a punt but with a hefty dose of guide/walkthrough reading so that I can dodge some of the inevitable trap options in chargen. There's no trap option. My first playthroughs back in the day were with magic classes (battlemage or spellsword or something like that) but I remember finishing it with a non-casting class without problem. Even made a challenge run with the class that seemed the weakest and least useful to me back then (the healer) and it was possible. It's not a difficult game. I'd say the only real challenge is getting over how old it is.
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Sky Shadowing posted:I suppose something I'm curious about with the Microsoft acquisition of Bethesda is, what other studios now have access to the Elder Scrolls IP to make spinoff games? Did you ever play the CK2 Elder Kings mod? That was pretty neat.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Tamriel Flight Simulator Tamriel Fight Simulator. Otherwise known as TES3 and before.
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Sky Shadowing posted:Modern TES lore starts becoming recognizable with Daggerfall (a good chunk of books are from that game, the Eight Divines are known as well as all 16 Daedra, etc.) but yeah it only really congeals into its final form with Redguard/Morrowind (which were to some degree developed at the same time), and Battlespire to some degree for Daedra and such. iirc how Kirkbride told it, him and someone else (maaaaaybe want to say Ken Rolston?) basically came up with this dune/moebius setting they were excited about and showed it to Howard who basically was like that's cool, you know we got to make another TES game maybe you can fit this all in and that's basically how there's such a huge tonal shift from Daggerfall to Redguard
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Berke Negri posted:iirc how Kirkbride told it, him and someone else (maaaaaybe want to say Ken Rolston?) basically came up with this dune/moebius setting they were excited about and showed it to Howard who basically was like that's cool, you know we got to make another TES game maybe you can fit this all in and that's basically how there's such a huge tonal shift from Daggerfall to Redguard 
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I'm rereading the oral history and Michael Kirkbride names Kurt Kuhlmann as the other guy who helped spark the ideas that became Morrowind
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morrowind is established as a weird place in that Cyrus comic, which came with Redguard Redguard had bizarrely good writing at points, and i say that as a tes maniac e: Read it if you haven't yet, do not skip the q&a at the end Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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Doc Hawkins posted:morrowind is established as a weird place in that Cyrus comic, which came with Redguard There is no q&a at the end.
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The Skyblivion devs uploaded a video talking about the development process
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MrTargetPractice posted:Nah if you didn't like it right away that's fine. My 'strawman' is a specific type of TES fan that will spend hundreds of hours in the game and say it's garbage. A type of fan mind you that there is plenty of. I'm hoping Avowed is going to be that competition, its all hilariously up in the air and all we've gotten is a trailer with about a quarter second of gameplay, but I'd love to see an obsidian ES style rpg.
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Cat Mattress posted:There's no trap option. The trap option in Arena is anything that can't cast spells. The armour spell never goes away so you can just cast a crazy one that uses all your magicka before going to sleep every night, and if you use a good spell absorb spell you are invincible and constantly refreshing your spell points against most monsters, especially once you're a few dungeons in to the game. (Also bear in mind that Arena is not a fun game. The dungeons are made of blocks, like Wolfenstein, and the only really interesting stuff in the game is looking at the place names in High Rock and Skyrim and going "huh, they kept those names in the future games." Otherwise it's like playing D&D with a very, very stupid DM who loves combat, labyrinths, riddles and nothing else.)
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Guildenstern Mother posted:I'm hoping Avowed is going to be that competition, its all hilariously up in the air and all we've gotten is a trailer with about a quarter second of gameplay, but I'd love to see an obsidian ES style rpg. We'll have to see. The Outer Worlds was okay but it really felt like it was missing something that I can't quite put my finger one. Every area was a square which isn't necessarily an issue. I guess it sort of felt like they were could at writting but not good at making a game? It sort of felt like a Telltale game with extra stuff tacked on. How did everyone else feel about it?
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Ott_ posted:There is no q&a at the end. aw, goldurnit okay quote:Hey,
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Doc Hawkins posted:
"Atmoran" is a weird way to pronounce "Breton"
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Fojar38 posted:
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Really Tiber Septim being a Breton is the best outcome because it's the maximum comedy option that clowns on no less than 3 races mythologies (Altmer, Nord, and Imperial)
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tiber septim was a khajiit
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I somehow hosed up my Skyrim installation and got pissed and deleted the install. I'mma do something I haven't done for two decades and one friend's xbox ago and play regular vanilla Morrowind. Also photos of a laptop screen incoming cuz yeah, I'm that lazy start: this guy, obviously you roll a dunmer in Morrowind  I answered his questions as close as possible to my real personality  oh wait gently caress i'm a cop gently caress it i'm an outlander cop here i come legion e: i guess before i was azura's chosen, i got a little too nasty with her unchosen, and now here i am Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Sep 27, 2020 |
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i still think pelinal whitestrake did nothing wrong
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Oh my loving god I had no idea lots of Khajit were actual literal housecats
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Ott_ posted:do you think the housecats in eso are khajiits tbh every cat could be an Aldmeri spy now
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Ott_ posted:do you think the housecats in eso are khajiits some of them are, I've seen the 'shots how can you tell the difference for certain? ... jobasha does not answer this question.
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Doc Hawkins posted:some of them are, I've seen the 'shots Put one in a cat carrier and say you're going to the vet to get it spayed and neutered. If you hear the sound of a recall or intervention spell and the carrier is suddenly empty, it was a khajiit.
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Cat Mattress posted:Put one in a cat carrier and say you're going to the vet to get it spayed and neutered. "No Recall or Intervention can work in this place. There is no escape."
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whydirt posted:Do Khajit keep regular cats as pets? Argonians probably keep lizards as pets.
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whydirt posted:Do Khajit keep regular cats as pets? In ESO there's a khajiit raised by orcs who has a pet cat.
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Overemotional Robot posted:In ESO there's a khajiit raised by orcs who has a pet cat. In ESO there are two cases I can think of of Elsweyr raised khajiits keeping housecats as pets. There's also a quest where an Alfiq (one of the housecat like khajiit) disguises itself as a lost housecat so you put it into your bag to return it, and while it's in there it tries to steal your poo poo.
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