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Nystral posted:Did Desert Storm change how GWOT went? Are we close to seeing a majority of the officers across the DOD having served the bulk of their careers in the midst of GWOT? Oh poo poo, I actually used to teach a class that answers this question. Yes and no, in extreme measures. It changed doctrine by proving air strikes were ridiculously effective at defeating an enemy’s infrastructure and equipment. You still need troops on the ground to hold territory though, and counter insurgency operations are generally close in fighting where air power isn’t as effective. It also put war on TV in living rooms in near real-time, which I think is actually the biggest change that doesn’t get talked about enough, even in the war colleges. Read Every Man a Tiger by General Chuck Horner and Tom Clancy if you’re interested in how doctrine changed. destitute fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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My father was convinced for years that I was destined to commission for the Navy. First non-Air arm member of the family to go SWO or something. There's a long history of enlisting in the navy in my family, going back like three gens. I also found out the reason my grandfather stopped at E-8 was because his command figured out he was banging a Japanese hooker. Yes, he was married and had three kids in the States. I always did wonder why my grandparents hated each other til I found that out.Anyhow After enough badgering, I did some googling and found that I can't. I was diagnosed with Asperger's in 2002, at the age of eight. And because of this, when it comes time to get a clearance, this might come out and RIP my navy career. When I pointed this out to my father, his words were something to the effect of "The Navy might never found out". My retired lifer dad wants me to join the Navy, lie about my autism, and hope that bureaucratic incompetence saves the day. Jokes on you dad, I read way too much GiP to join this rolling dumpster fire.
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Oct 1, 2020 21:39
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A White Guy posted:After enough badgering, I did some googling and found that I can't. I was diagnosed with Asperger's in 2002, at the age of eight. And because of this, when it comes time to get a clearance, this might come out and RIP my navy career. When I pointed this out to my father, his words were something to the effect of "The Navy might never found out". My retired lifer dad wants me to join the Navy, lie about my autism, and hope that bureaucratic incompetence saves the day. Dude I worked with an Airman who’s father was a Russian KGB General that had defected. Everyone assumed that they were both reporting back to Moscow, yet Ivan still got a Secret clearance before his enlistment ended. Tell the loving truth, you’ll get your clearance. Hell, they have randos at a loving Starbucks in CIA HQS. If they can get cleared, so can you. If you even need a clearance for your rating.
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Oct 1, 2020 21:53
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If you want to join the navy, join the navy. If you don’t, don’t. don’t do it just because dad expects you to. As far as your sperg diagnosis: they are waiting eagerly for you at the DLI
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Oct 2, 2020 00:29
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The navy is chock full of neurodivergent people.
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Oct 2, 2020 01:09
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Mr. Nice! posted:The navy is chock full of neurodivergent people. The entire CT community, outside of the defunct CTA/CTM, would be gutted if we didn't allow wall touchers in
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Oct 2, 2020 01:29
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Being on the spectrum is an asset to much of the navy's mission because you need atypical thinking to survive in that environment.
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Oct 2, 2020 01:45
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Tell your recruiter about your 18 year old diagnosis or not. Pretty sure theyll never find out any other way. I pissed hot on my first go around and had to say i was sorry but still got in and did 20. And had a TS SCI E. Added
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Oct 2, 2020 02:04
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Grip it and rip it posted:Don't listen to these pussies, you should sign up to be a marine and go infantry! The military is better the second time around, just ask that one guy who did it twice. Fact: The Army was not better than the Marines.
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Oct 2, 2020 02:08
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King of Bees posted:Pretty sure theyll never find out any other way. Absolutely not corrrect.
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Oct 2, 2020 02:41
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Do not join the Real Navy. It’s a bummer. The Reserves gives you a taste and hopefully you can make E5 before you go on a mobilization so your life isn’t completely terrible. At that point you could very well go active if you really felt the need.
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Oct 2, 2020 08:03
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LingcodKilla posted:Do not join the Real Navy. It’s a bummer. The Reserves gives you a taste and hopefully you can make E5 before you go on a mobilization so your life isn’t completely terrible. At that point you could very well go active if you really felt the need. One of my friends is in the Navy and it’s done a lot for him, he’s going to retire at the age of 38 and do some kind of aerospace contracting, but he’s also completely miserable a lot of the time. Also was divorced before he was old enough to drink, which, lol. That’s what happens when you get married right after basic.
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Oct 2, 2020 08:48
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I got denied for a benign tumor when I was an angry 18 year old who wanted to go infantry. My uncle who actually did that advises me it may have been the luckiest thing to happen to me
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Oct 2, 2020 14:06
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Ugly In The Morning posted:One of my friends is in the Navy and it’s done a lot for him, he’s going to retire at the age of 38 and do some kind of aerospace contracting, but he’s also completely miserable a lot of the time. I have a friend who was getting his degree in mechanical engineering and the Navy recruited the poo poo out of him - did that thing where they take you out to a carrier and everything - and he signed up. Loved every second of nuke school, sub school, officer training, etc and was super into everything Navy right up until his first actual deployment on a sub after which he flipped immediately to "fuuuuuuck this" and got out as soon as he could.
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Oct 2, 2020 15:39
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Did he say why? I imagine a sub sucks a lot more than a ship especially a big one
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Oct 2, 2020 15:43
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in all things theory is usually way more fun than practice
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Oct 2, 2020 15:51
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Notahippie posted:I have a friend who was getting his degree in mechanical engineering and the Navy recruited the poo poo out of him - did that thing where they take you out to a carrier and everything - and he signed up. Loved every second of nuke school, sub school, officer training, etc and was super into everything Navy right up until his first actual deployment on a sub after which he flipped immediately to "fuuuuuuck this" and got out as soon as he could. I’m gonna guess that he had private industry recruiting the hell out of him when he got out? When I worked for Bechtel there were a ton of ex-Navy nuke guys around.
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Oct 2, 2020 15:53
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Scratch Monkey posted:in all things theory is usually way more fun than practice Possible exceptions: Hairy Balls Non-squeezing and Squeezing, when applied prudently Cox-Zucker Tits' Deformation Who doesn't enjoy a Ham Sandwich (if religious and ethical concerns prevent your enjoyment consider a lickorish twist)
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Oct 2, 2020 16:55
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Milo and POTUS posted:Did he say why? I imagine a sub sucks a lot more than a ship especially a big one He just said it was a really lovely life. I don't think there was any drama or anything, but he was on a boomer and he just hated the experience of being stuck in a steel tube with all the same people for six months. He got out, went to med school, and is now a small town GP.
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Oct 2, 2020 17:59
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JOs on submarines are about as miserable as anyone can be on a submarine, which is to say extremely.
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Oct 2, 2020 18:19
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Grip it and rip it posted:JOs on submarines are about as miserable as anyone can be on a submarine, which is to say extremely. Unless they're the chop. Being a nuke is miserable regardless of location. Being a non-nuke officer on a sub is considerably less miserable.
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Oct 2, 2020 18:26
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Dick Burglar posted:You don't get negligently-substandard healthcare for life by working fast food though Yes you do.
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Oct 3, 2020 00:55
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No, you don't get any.
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Oct 3, 2020 01:03
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I see the joke chitoryu is trying to make--"having no healthcare is negligently-substandard healthcare," but it reads weirdly because it's also saying "a thing is also not a thing."
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Oct 3, 2020 01:09
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Dick Burglar posted:I see the joke chitoryu is trying to make--"having no healthcare is negligently-substandard healthcare," but it reads weirdly because it's also saying "a thing is also not a thing." And the VA sucks but it at least occasionally provides some services.
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Oct 3, 2020 01:17
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Mr. Nice! posted:Unless they're the chop. Being a nuke is miserable regardless of location. Being a non-nuke officer on a sub is considerably less miserable. Huh, I thought all Sub officers were nuke officers and start out their careers in the Reactor Department. I honestly didn’t know there were non-nuke sub officers. Learn something new everyday.
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Oct 3, 2020 10:43
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Yeah, the Supply Officers aren't nukes.
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Oct 3, 2020 12:50
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The Valley Stared posted:Yeah, the Supply Officers aren't nukes. But how do they order fuel then?
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Oct 3, 2020 22:18
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Is there an actual proscription on officers talking political stuff or is that just one of those decorum things that went out the window with everything else that keeps our country stable?
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Oct 3, 2020 23:55
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TK-42-1 posted:Is there an actual proscription on officers talking political stuff or is that just one of those decorum things that went out the window with everything else that keeps our country stable? Hatch Act if you mean "officers can't talk about partisan politics," other than that it's decorum up until the point where someone above them decides it's actually Conduct Unbecoming.
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Beepity Boop posted:Hatch Act if you mean "officers can't talk about partisan politics," other than that it's decorum up until the point where someone above them decides it's actually Conduct Unbecoming. Ok so you can talk all the poo poo you want but you can’t be an active part of a party in an official capacity.
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Oct 4, 2020 00:06
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Also it is if you're talking about how Obungler is doing a bad job and getting Americans murdered it is a-okay but if you were critical of W or now Trump then wait just a minute, sir
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Oct 4, 2020 00:29
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So sucking off Trump on the timeline is looked down upon? Because I said “I thought it was unbecoming to be a political partisan” and was told I know nothing of the military.
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well it sounds like it's actually a violation of the Hatch Act to be a political partisan, whereas Conduct Unbecoming is at the discretion of superior officers
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TK-42-1 posted:So sucking off Trump on the timeline is looked down upon? Because I said “I thought it was unbecoming to be a political partisan” and was told I know nothing of the military. You can always screen cap it and send it to someone's chain if you're not sure. The chain of command should be able to figure it out and generate an answer.
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Fair enough. I just kind of feel like it’d be similar to a report of police brutality where the CO would agree and welp. Thanks for the answers. I figured he’s being a huge jackass I just wanted some outside confirmation that what I’ve picked up through osmosis wasn’t wrong.
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The Hatch Act doesn't apply to military members, that would be governed by DOD Directive 1344.10, Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces. You can read the full list of do's and don'ts there, but essentially you can express a personal opinion as long as you're not doing it "as a representative of the Armed Forces". You can't participate in most partisan activities, especially in uniform, though things like going to a rally as a private citizen are allowed. With social media one of the gray areas is whether a social media account that identifies a person as being in the military counts as being "a representative of the Armed Forces". Most guidance errs on the side of "just don't do it" but I don't think it's something that's been very well tested or established. I think it would be especially hard to make a case against someone praising an elected official vice disparaging one. Officers are also held to UCMJ Section 888 - Contempt Toward Officials, which bans "contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present". Evidently it is totally legally permissible to say that Tim Mnuchin is a fuckwit, though.
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Second-hand story, but someone who came back from a CYBERCOM exercise earlier this year told me about a dude who was awarded something (forget what) with nexus to dolt 45 - maybe a medal with his signature on the orders, or a citation, I forget what - but a decision-maker thought it should be presented in front of the whole training audience. As soon as the guy walks off stage he chucks the bauble into the trash can as hard as he can, making a nice clang that interrupted the next speaker. Dude was planning to separate anyways, this just moved the timeline up a bit. If I ever get the chance to meet the guy I'm buying him a goddamn forty. Guest2553 fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Oct 5, 2020 |
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Oct 4, 2020 18:07
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An army officer posted memes making fun of Heather Heyer when she died on my timeline under his own account where he identifies himself as an officer. His command did not seem to care.
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Guest2553 posted:Second-hand story, but someone who came back from a CYBERCOM exercise earlier this year told me about a dude who was awarded something (forget what) with nexus to dolt 45 - maybe a medal with his signature on the orders, or a citation, I forget what - but a decision-maker thought it should be presented in front of the whole training audience. As soon as the guy walks off stage he chucks the bauble into the trash can as hard as he can, making a nice clang that interrupted the next speaker. Dude was planning to separate anyways, this just moved the timeline up a bit. This dude loving owns. I'm just glad that medals are functionally useless in the Air Force outside of being maybe a promotion tiebreaker but anytime someone gets a Meritorious Anal Bleaching Citation they want to get every fat gently caress to squeeze into their service dress and give each other a Dutch rudder.
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