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Phanatic posted:My turn to be illiterate, I completely read that as brand. From here "According to NATO Commander Wesley Clark and other NATO generals, Yugoslav air defenses found that they could detect F-117s with their 'obsolete' Soviet radars operating on long wavelengths." There was a lot more to the F-117 shootdown over Bosnia in the 90s, but it was a contributing factor. This tidbit is kept alive by sensationalist articles every few months to the tune of "Third World Radar Operators Defeat F-22/F-35 Stealth Using One Weird Trick, Pentagon HATES Them"
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Why don’t they just raise the bridge some more.
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Oct 3, 2020 01:47
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Phanatic posted:Why don’t they just raise the bridge some more. trains are picky about grade and that's expensive. lower the road
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Oct 3, 2020 01:59
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Phanatic posted:Why don’t they just raise the bridge some more. They didn't actually raise the bridge. They made the support structure thinner so the gap was a little bigger. The tracks themselves are exactly the same height as they've ever been.
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Oct 3, 2020 02:03
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Cat Hatter posted:From here From what I remember, they were flying the exact same mission every day at the same time. So when the F-117 opened its bomb bay door, the radar they used was able to pick it up for a short period, and they used that to shoot it down. As stupid a mistake to make as putting "heil hitler" at the end of every single coded message.
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Oct 3, 2020 02:13
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Cojawfee posted:From what I remember, they were flying the exact same mission every day at the same time. So when the F-117 opened its bomb bay door, the radar they used was able to pick it up for a short period, and they used that to shoot it down. As stupid a mistake to make as putting "heil hitler" at the end of every single coded message. And even with that and using landlines and spotters so the pilots didn't know they'd been spotted they couldn't reliably get a hit. It's really a case of if you know almost exactly where the plane is and set your radar to borderline useless mode, you might get a lucky shot.
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Oct 3, 2020 03:45
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Nope; can't say I saw that coming.
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Oct 3, 2020 03:47
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Lmao that’s an excellent twist
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Oct 3, 2020 03:50
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It looks like that area had already sunk, based on some existing edge cracking.
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Oct 3, 2020 03:54
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Oct 3, 2020 04:04
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They lowered the road??!!!
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Cat Hatter posted:And even with that and using landlines and spotters so the pilots didn't know they'd been spotted they couldn't reliably get a hit. It's really a case of if you know almost exactly where the plane is and set your radar to borderline useless mode, you might get a lucky shot. They also had compromised NATO comms to help pinpoint. The radar itself was only online 20 seconds or so to verify where it was and then they launched three missiles at where it should be.
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Oct 3, 2020 04:15
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How do y'all suppose they're gonna get that plane out of the field? I mean, the F-35, with a bulldozer and a hopper... but how do you remove a KC-130J from a field like that? Remove wings and slap it on a big oversize rig? Leave it there? Blow it up like that whale?
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Cojawfee posted:From what I remember, they were flying the exact same mission every day at the same time. So when the F-117 opened its bomb bay door, the radar they used was able to pick it up for a short period, and they used that to shoot it down. As stupid a mistake to make as putting "heil hitler" at the end of every single coded message. Cat Hatter posted:And even with that and using landlines and spotters so the pilots didn't know they'd been spotted they couldn't reliably get a hit. It's really a case of if you know almost exactly where the plane is and set your radar to borderline useless mode, you might get a lucky shot. Which if anything makes it more impressive, because they were essentially doing basic math to go "when our spotter calls in, the airplane should be in this box of airspace at time XY" and then volleying off SAMs into that box and hoping a missile would get close enough for the proximity fuse to "burn through" the stealth aspects and go off. grillster posted:How do y'all suppose they're gonna get that plane out of the field? C-130s are built to do rough field work so theoretically they could swap the engines and fly it out. But practically the airframe is like 99% certain of being a loss now so yeah, they'll probably strip everything off it and then remove the wings and airframe with a trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wOmWfvZ1Wc C.M. Kruger fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Oct 3, 2020 |
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grillster posted:How do y'all suppose they're gonna get that plane out of the field? If I were the farmer, I'd be crossing my fingers they want to leave it after stripping out everything. Would be loving neato having it sitting there with a plaque.
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tactlessbastard posted:That F35 has got to be in a million pieces regardless of the damage it sustained in the original accident, you're a hundred percent correct https://twitter.com/air_intel/status/1311366485005262849
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Kibayasu posted:Is it me or have there been more of these since they raised the bridge. I wonder how many are following satnavs that now consider that road a viable route?
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I actually wonder if the road being uneven is contributing to some of the newer bridge strikes. Many of the recent strikes I've seen seem to be only on the center of the road so its possible the measurement might be slightly off, which does happen. As a truck driver myself though when its close I get out and look. These drivers just flooring it through a red light and hoping for the best are pretty  to me.
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The fact that they almost all run the red light is baffling. Do they just run red lights all the time? Does everyone just run red lights? is this them? 
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minchar posted:I actually wonder if the road being uneven is contributing to some of the newer bridge strikes. Many of the recent strikes I've seen seem to be only on the center of the road so its possible the measurement might be slightly off, which does happen. Mutcd posted:Section 2C.27 Low Clearance Signs (W12-2 and W12-2a) I think Durham, NC would be cold enough to meet the frost action condition? I think the actual clearance is probably 1-3" higher than posted, so if they met posted limits, minor unevenness shouldn't do it? IIRC, 11-8 actually measured the bridge after the recent revamp in one of the videos.
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grillster posted:How do y'all suppose they're gonna get that plane out of the field? Just leave it there and the problem solves itself: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mQgdZTgpczM
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Sigourney Cheevos posted:I think Durham, NC would be cold enough to meet the frost action condition? I think the actual clearance is probably 1-3" higher than posted, so if they met posted limits, minor unevenness shouldn't do it? 11-8 is actually 8 inches higher now, so it's 12-4 but the original channel goes with 11-8 + 8.
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Memento posted:The fact that they almost all run the red light is baffling. Do they just run red lights all the time? Does everyone just run red lights? The only car accident I've had as the driver, I was 16 and floored it when the light changed to green, I got T-boned buy a fedex style delivery truck that ran the light.  He convinced me to not involve the cops and left. My car was undrivable so I had to walk home concussed.Now, I always wait a second or two after it's changed and creep into the intersection as a result.
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Oct 3, 2020 15:21
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Possibly repositioning arms to avoid arthritis symptoms.
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Oct 3, 2020 15:27
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grillster posted:Possibly repositioning arms to avoid arthritis symptoms. He's doing it to avoid being grounded though, it's less ergonomic being this low.
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Oct 3, 2020 15:30
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Good neutral posture. Bad way of achieving it.
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LifeSunDeath posted:The only car accident I've had as the driver, I was 16 and floored it when the light changed to green, I got T-boned buy a fedex style delivery truck that ran the light. I got hit by a drunk and rolled down a hill after he ran a red, I do the same.
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Top-quality OSHA in a positive way for once
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Phanatic posted:My turn to be illiterate, I completely read that as brand. The higher the frequency, the more accurate you can get the radar, the smaller your can make the radar equipment, and the shorter the range. Low frequency stuff is generally used as search radar, because *something* probably over *there-ish* is more than adequate, when it's 400 miles away. Most air defense systems will have a bigass search radar in the UHF or L band, and a fire direction radar in the higher frequency X or Ku band. That way you can convert 'the thing that's probably over thereish' into 'that's a jet and it doesn't look like one of ours, better shoot at it'. In the case of the F-22 or the F-35, the stealth goes from 'better than nothing' way down in the VHF/UHF bands up through 'what plane?' in the X and Ku bands, and back down to 'okay, I guess?' once you start hitting the Ka or mm wave bands. It's really handy because the seekers in basically every air-to-air missile have a maximum diameter of like 6", so you're gonna be in the S or X band anyways just because that's how physics works. So if the missile can't actually lock onto you through the ECCM onboard, the enemy can't shoot you down, and you can go back to bomb trucking tents in the desert in the defense of freedom. Also the exact specifics on all of the actual frequencies in use and RCS at a given frequency and elevation/azimuth are so stupidly classified it's not even funny, so these are all some bigass broad sweeping generalizations based on publicly known stealth technologies. tldr: F-22/35, good at hiding from fighter radar and missiles, bad at hiding from radar stations that fits into several trucks.
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:tldr: F-22/35, good at hiding from fighter radar and missiles, bad at hiding from radar stations that fits into several trucks. To be clear I am expressing incredulity at the notion that a modern 5th-generation fighter with reducing RCS built into every aspect of its design is as visible at *any* set of wavelengths as an F-15, which has roughly the RCS of the moon.
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Syrian Lannister posted:I got hit by a drunk and rolled down a hill after he ran a red, I do the same. I hope you didn't get charged with leaving the scene of an accident.
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Ixian posted:In a world where the only major combatants who can field air forces that matter still have lots of ICBMs with nukes the F-35 doesn't really matter for poo poo. Wasn’t there a video of an F35 optical system making fire control quality tracks for a counter ICBM system released like 10-15 years ago? I.e. it could be an essential part of the ICBM kill chain?
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CarForumPoster posted:Wasn’t there a video of an F35 optical system making fire control quality tracks for a counter ICBM system released like 10-15 years ago? Yes, it can shoot down ICBMs in the Troposphere, before their nuclear payloads are deployed, but only if it isn't raining. On a side note, I've always been fascinated with this defense aspect of all out nuclear war, like we would just get in to a big game of Missile Command or something - I mean, if we're at the point where countries are lobbing ICBMs with MIRVs at one another willy-nilly we are way, way past the point in human history where shooting any of them down matters worth a gently caress. I mean, what is the outcome? The US knocks down a few more than China, so we get a Max Max type fantasy world, and they go full on molten slag? Who gets the Judge Dredd scenario? Also is nuclear winter expected to only stay on the side that loses?
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Phanatic posted:To be clear I am expressing incredulity at the notion that a modern 5th-generation fighter with reducing RCS built into every aspect of its design is as visible at *any* set of wavelengths as an F-15, which has roughly the RCS of the moon. Oh god no, a 5th gen fighter will have the RCS like between 10% and 0.1% a fully kitted out F-15. The super low frequency radar that can at least SEE the stupid thing vs the higher frequency stuff, but that's the difference between 'that spherical cow from physics class' with an RCS of like 2, and 'a pigeon fart at 40 miles' with the RCS of three grains of rice. Whereas the F-15 has an RCS of like 45 m^2, and can be seen from space.
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