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Alchenar posted:Either it's a motif that the characters in the show have watched all of Star Trek or it isn't. You can't just flip between the two when you feel like it and it highlights the laziness of the writing. lolol I can't believe you didn't call out the Star Trek references I made in my post! You can't just flip between calling out references and not calling them out! It highlights the laziness of the posting! lolol Edit: And quit putting two spaces after periods, ya big nerd.
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I don't feel like it's even that they've all "seen Star Trek" it's that Star Trek events are treated as general knowledge. It's like following a through-line from the thought "what if discoveries in one episode became important in the setting" but instead of tech or weapons it's sociocultural. So the confrontation with Chang was a real event, probably referenced in casual conversation and humor, and maybe people were even aware of what Chang quoted and "is she quoting The Tempest?" is a reaction to her odd choice of Shakespeare allusion. This is a lot of words about Trek... but in summation it seems self-consistent. Also I'm sorry I know I do the two spaces after a period, I'll never get better
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Oct 3, 2020 17:03
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Also the name-dropping is usually being done by the lower decks ensigns who are all big Starfleet nerds to some degree or another, whereas it was Ransom who was confused about the Tempest-quoting. The bridge crew have been pretty consistently disinterested in the sort of minutia that the lower decks like to ramble on about, so this is a case of consistent characterization, which some people might actually call good writing.
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Oct 3, 2020 17:42
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Mariner is obviously aware of ST6 and Chang, which is why she did the Tempest quote. Just because Boimler didn't make a comment doesn't mean he didn't catch the reference.
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Oct 3, 2020 17:47
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I just assume that in the Star Trek universe, bad guys are constantly quoting Shakespeare at Starfleet captains
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I just assume that in the Star Trek universe, bad guys are constantly quoting Shakespeare at Starfleet captains Yeah. It's as constant as the northern star.
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Oct 3, 2020 19:38
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah. It's as constant as the northern star. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBc4q4P9aLo
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Tomalak: Do you bite your thumb, Picard
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zoux posted:Tomalak: Do you bite your thumb, Picard Mute main screen. Number One, is the Prime Directive on my side if I say aye?
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twistedmentat posted:Holy poo poo that was fantastic. I really hope the character development with Mariner keep. Though I kinda want Bromiler's discovery to only be a problem with him, and everyone else is like "yea we all know, its not a big deal. Wait you didn't know?" I'm solidly in the camp of "It's not a secret, they just don't talk about it". Kinda like how Mariner let Boimler assume they're the same age when they're clearly at least ten years apart. MikeJF posted:Generally for an animated show like this you'd have a bunch of character sheets for backgrounders, so you don't have to come up with a new design every single time, you're just like "use background crew #34 here and #12 there". That also means that you end up with the effect of having a noticeable consistent population to the setting as a side effect - if you want to put the effort in, you can even divide them up into groups more likely to be in different areas or doing certain jobs. There is that, but in that scene there's also a bit of characterization. During that sequence, they show a bunch of crewmates struggling, panicking, and otherwise poorly coping with the unreasonable deadlines. The zoom in on Fletcher and show him actively botching his tasks in order to make up time. He shoves a bunch of modules haphazardly and rushes off to his next task. What gets him fired? Shoving a bunch of trash into the warp core. Not to mention that a single group of writers wrote the entire series at one go, so they probably knew from the drop who Fletcher was and what they wanted him to be. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Oct 3, 2020 |
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Oct 3, 2020 23:20
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Brawnfire posted:Yeah, that. I really don't want that word anywhere near Trek, even in a raunchy comedy, so... Admiral loving Hubris calling you on line one
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Phylodox posted:"I am constant as the northern star!" and "Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!" Julius Caesar its best in its original Klingon
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Bilirubin posted:Admiral loving Hubris calling you on line one I don't really want to revisit that conversation, but I'm fine with "gently caress", I'm an idiot and thought it was something far worse for about ten minutes.
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It would've been less ambiguous if they had bleeped it as "***ks", or better yet, let Tendi bleep it.
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Yeah, having watched it today it's... not the most obvious what she was supposed to have said.
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Hispanic! At The Disco posted:It would've been less ambiguous if they had bleeped it as "***ks", or better yet, let Tendi bleep it. I mean, you can clearly hear the F and ks. They only really bleeped out the vowel.
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I rewatched it again today, and yeah, it’s annoyingly unclear, and genuinely does sound like she might actually be saying the gay slur based on the sound at the end of the beep. :/
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The_Doctor posted:I rewatched it again today, and yeah, it’s annoyingly unclear, and genuinely does sound like she might actually be saying the gay slur based on the sound at the end of the beep. :/ I took it as that at first, but then figured that it had to be fucks.
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Oct 4, 2020 05:18
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Brawnfire posted:
can you do your own print somewhere?
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I just sat down to watch this episode of Lower Decks. The motion picture fly by had me actually laugh out loud. I needed that after both my parents tested positive for Covid this week.
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A.o.D. posted:I'm solidly in the camp of "It's not a secret, they just don't talk about it".
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Tiggum posted:Pretty sure the captain literally said it was a secret. the captain is kind of nuts though
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Oct 4, 2020 07:50
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It does seem extremely unlikely that, say, the Chief Medical Officer hasn't noticed that they're genetically related.
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It would definitely be in her file, and the chief medical officer would definitely have access to that file. It probably wouldn’t be public, since it would be problematic from an HR perspective if any random crewmember were able to read a coworker’s entire biography, but it’s really unlikely that at least some of the senior staff is aware.
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Assuming it's not a case of misleading editing, Mariner definitely reacts like it's a secret - at least to her ensign peers - in the preview for the next episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jGNxYM3b5k
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Oct 4, 2020 09:39
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It's a little odd then that holo-Mariner's first words to Vindicta were to tell her the captain's her mother.
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Crashbee posted:It's a little odd then that holo-Mariner's first words to Vindicta were to tell her the captain's her mother. Well, it was a dramatic fight to the mutual death so probably ok to drop some tension nuggets there
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Bit about the lower decks music, also they confirm that production was really rushed before the premiere because Lower Decks was moved up two months in the schedule at the last minute (probably switching launch date with Discovery to give Discovery some extra production time), on top of Covid slowing everything down unexpectedly. Also https://twitter.com/MikeMcMahanTM/status/1312547276464640000 Given the confusion maybe they'll redo the bleep for the future to make it clearer what she's not saying. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Oct 4, 2020 |
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Oct 4, 2020 15:17
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Personally I'd rather they just don't bleep it at all.
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It's CBS All Access, they don't have to bleep at all... so why do they? 
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I find bleeps funnier, tbh.
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Mage_Boy posted:I just sat down to watch this episode of Lower Decks. The motion picture fly by had me actually laugh out loud. I needed that after both my parents tested positive for Covid this week. sorry to hear it
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Drone posted:It's CBS All Access, they don't have to bleep at all... so why do they? It airs on cable here in Canada at least so it’s not strictly for streaming consumption. I’d also love to have a non-bleeped option though.
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Martytoof posted:It airs on cable here in Canada at least so it’s not strictly for streaming consumption. They don't bleep Picard on CTV SciFi though
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Bilirubin posted:They don't bleep Picard on CTV SciFi though Really? Huh. Then maybe this is just a case of “maybe kids are watching” and it’s easier to make one audio track upload an alt-audio track.
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Nah I think the bleeps are genuinely funnier than swears in this show's setting.
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Weren't they still in the movie holo at that point I just assumed the bleeping was part of that.
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Bleeped swears are often funnier The radio version of The Roof is on Fire being loving hilarious because of the censoring comes to mind immediately The "gently caress"s in discovery were so off-putting by comparison
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MikeJF posted:Bit about the lower decks music, also they confirm that production was really rushed before the premiere because Lower Decks was moved up two months in the schedule at the last minute (probably switching launch date with Discovery to give Discovery some extra production time), on top of Covid slowing everything down unexpectedly. Wow that is the strangest way I've heard a line reading for "fucks". She made it sound like "fox". I can definitely see the confusion/apprehension now. The Bloop posted:Bleeped swears are often funnier agreed, but I have to admit I still get a good chuckle out of "sheer loving hubris".
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