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OwlFancier posted:The logic is either "we must show good faith by not voting against it because that would be rude" or "we actually want it to pass but are too cowardly to vote for it" depending on how cynical you want to be. yeah in this case i think kier is triangulating but he's actually triangulating himself away from voting for it, like he would want to. he's a creature of the security state and obviously has a great deal of respect for them. but you can't really justify voting to hand this lot more power and it may be an attempt to triangulate to the left (lol)
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OwlFancier posted:The logic is either "we must show good faith by not voting against it because that would be rude" or "we actually want it to pass but are too cowardly to vote for it" depending on how cynical you want to be. I asked my MP this the other day and the reply was that abstaining rather than voting against engenders feelings of good will from the opposition making them more likely to support amendments, which is the most laughably naive bullshit i've heard from a politician in a long time.
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Lungboy posted:I asked my MP this the other day and the reply was that abstaining rather than voting against engenders feelings of good will from the opposition making them more likely to support amendments, which is the most laughably naive bullshit i've heard from a politician in a long time. Yeah sounds like bollox to me. The tories don't give a fig for goodwill.
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Lungboy posted:I asked my MP this the other day and the reply was that abstaining rather than voting against engenders feelings of good will from the opposition making them more likely to support amendments, which is the most laughably naive bullshit i've heard from a politician in a long time. If I do what he wants he won't hit me as much.
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Lungboy posted:I asked my MP this the other day and the reply was that abstaining rather than voting against engenders feelings of good will from the opposition making them more likely to support amendments, which is the most laughably naive bullshit i've heard from a politician in a long time. Surely the last four years have shown that the idea of politics relying on series of "gentlemen's agreements" is fundamentally flawed because if someone chooses to not comply there is no consequence.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Who keeps voting this thread 1. Reveal yourselves, cowards! When I'm phone posting I often accidentally rate threads so it might be me.
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The Brexit craziness in the HoC showed that the Tories wouldn't vote for an amendment, no matter how sensible, unless it was sponsored by a Tory. This means abstaining to get an amendment is doomed to failure from the very beginning, yet still they do it even when it means not voting against torture.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Who keeps voting this thread 1. Reveal yourselves, cowards! I've abstained.
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Lungboy posted:The Brexit craziness in the HoC showed that the Tories wouldn't vote for an amendment, no matter how sensible, unless it was sponsored by a Tory.
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Endjinneer posted:Flitter mouse is close to the German word for bat- Fledermaus. And now the Darkthrone song As Flittermice As Satans Spys suddenly makes more sense to me. Only been about 20 years since I first bought Transilvanian Hunger... ThomasPaine posted:I get a little uneasy when I think about how close I came to falling into the alt-right weirdo scene, being a recovering edgelord 16 year old libertarian new atheist who thought maddox was the funniest guy on the planet. I used to say some pretty awful things 'ironically' and thank god I went far left instead. At the time I genuinely did have my tongue firmly in my cheek but looking back the gimmick wasn't even very funny, and a lot of the people doing it weren't trying to be. Scary stuff honestly. I sometimes wonder about that but tbh while I definitely did some very dumb & lovely edgelord stuff in my late teens/early 20s I was always firmly a socialist just out of a sense of moral righteousness. Certainly more than I was about the inevitable triumph of scientific socialism or whatever. I was a depressed, lonely & angry idiot, that sort of poo poo is definitely a breeding ground for regressive ideals but fortunately I always found admitting I was a socialist at the height of Blairism had enough shock value that I never really needed to go nativist/fash for a reaction. In hindsight a lot of the New Atheism thing was me getting wrapped in this weird "permanently online" American culture war bullshit. None of it loving mattered in the UK really. God I'm so much more chill about religion now. I'm still a non-believer & can't see that changing (even putting aside philosophical & moral qualms, I don't have "faith" in the sense required) but I definitely lost the almost evangelical antitheism. crispix posted:Does Robert Peston know that David Tennant done up as a nonce for that ITV serial killer drama looks identical to him Not unless Dominic Cummings told him about it.
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Melissa McCarthyism posted:lol How are they so bad at this Is there a breakdown of the adjusted cases by region?
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forkboy84 posted:I sometimes wonder about that but tbh while I definitely did some very dumb & lovely edgelord stuff in my late teens/early 20s I was always firmly a socialist just out of a sense of moral righteousness. Certainly more than I was about the inevitable triumph of scientific socialism or whatever. I was a depressed, lonely & angry idiot, that sort of poo poo is definitely a breeding ground for regressive ideals but fortunately I always found admitting I was a socialist at the height of Blairism had enough shock value that I never really needed to go nativist/fash for a reaction. In hindsight a lot of the New Atheism thing was me getting wrapped in this weird "permanently online" American culture war bullshit. None of it loving mattered in the UK really. God I'm so much more chill about religion now. I'm still a non-believer & can't see that changing (even putting aside philosophical & moral qualms, I don't have "faith" in the sense required) but I definitely lost the almost evangelical antitheism. I'm pretty similar to this really, and my 'unironically a borderline ancap' phase was mercifully short. I think that is because I genuinely did always believe in freedom and liberty and all that, but if you spend more than ten seconds joining the dots you realise economic coercion is just as much a thing as more explicit state authoritarianism, and national governments exerting power to prevent exploitation should actually be encouraged. I genuinely don't see how people can keep up right-libertarianism for years on end without collapsing under the weight of all the contradictions, unless they're bad faith actors or are just doing it for the memes. Or maybe I just got lucky and found Marxism at the right time, giving me some kind of acknowledgement that the liberal consensus was garbage and I had good reason to be as pissed off as I was, but giving me a much more convincing explanation of what the issues actually were. 100% on the religion thing though. I used to be militantly athiest and tbh I still hold most of my old opinions on faith, but now I'm very much in the 'who gives a gently caress' camp. I kept up the militancy for a lot longer than the edgelord poo poo, mostly because most socialist theory is also very critical. But a lot of that was written in a very different time. In Western Europe the church is hardly the power it used to be, and no matter how silly I think it is I'm not about to pretend to give a poo poo about the things other people believe if it helps them get up in the morning. I do draw the line where I feel people are still being oppressed by religious authorities, and I'm sure I'd take a very different tack if I lived somewhere where they continued to exert a lot of power like the bible belt or bits of the middle east. In the case of the latter though it's so easy to get dismissed as another crypto-racist white guy with a saviour complex even by people nominally on the 'left' when you're just saying some variation 'hey I don't think we should stone adulterers to death guys' so honestly I just choose not to bother engaging most of the time.
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Re: thunderf00t. Hbomberguy did a video about him aaaages ago. Apart from anything else, he pointed out that tfoots "Anita Sarkeesian destroyed by facts and LOGIC" videos simple had like 100x the views of his science vids. I used to watch him for the " dumb things creationists say" videos, which mainly poked holes in the pseudoscience if young earth creationism. Think I hoped off well before he went full dick dorkins. He seemed to find a grift then realised his choice was views peddling this awful racist and chauvinist crap, or relative obscurity and hard work making science videos. It's a sad story seeing what he could have been
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Man. Don't you miss the days when the biggest fight was against Young Earth Creationists? Such innocent times compared to the rise of the fash (It's oversimplified obviously and I'm conveniently ignoring this was also a time when gay marriage wasn't a thing, never mind trans rights but there's still something comparing them to the fash driving cars into crowds of protestors)
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stev posted:e: And as always I have to recommend Lindsay Ellis' fantastic trilogy of Hobbit video essays. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTRUQ-RKfUs I noticed this and see the video says 1/2. What I'm inferring is hilarious.
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Guavanaut posted:I'm pro segregating Laurence Fox into a var of piss. SNP and labour remain in fierce competition to see who can do the absolute least about transphobia within their party while still claiming to be progressive and care deeply about equality
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BizarroAzrael posted:I noticed this and see the video says 1/2. What I'm inferring is hilarious. I dunno what you're inferring, but they're really good videos about labour law in New Zealand being completely hosed over to make some lovely movies.
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Necrothatcher posted:I dunno what you're inferring, but they're really good videos about labour law in New Zealand being completely hosed over to make some lovely movies. The joke is 3/2 movies.
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forkboy84 posted:Man. Don't you miss the days when the biggest fight was against Young Earth Creationists? Such innocent times compared to the rise of the fash Looking back at how the whole thing has developed with flat earthers all running to qanon, the fight against young earth creationists was probably the same fight against the same people.
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OwlFancier posted:The joke is 3/2 movies. ahhhh gotcha
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Guavanaut posted:All the conspiracies are part of one thing that branches off of itself like mercury being heated in a tank. I also think that some kinds of religion predispose you to running straight to the top of that chart because they already require you to believe that everything is operating according to some plan you can't comprehend and that that is the most credible reason for things happening. Basically everything is john calvin's fault.
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1965917 posted:Is anyone else following the #WhyAreTheyDoingThis hashtag on twitter? Hot load of crazy, conspiracy nuts and right winger hot takes I saw it breifly last night, seems like someone put out a loose change video or something and a bunch of mush brained anti mask people are going nuts, I didn't pay much attention cos that's just what they do.
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