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Co-op is more for the fun of loving around in the game world with a friend than it is for difficulty considerations, so it would probably be best to think of it that way. Dying Light isn't really the hardest of games to start with.
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That was how it seemed to me too - the sort of thing I don't have much fun with in pick-up groups anyways. (Bet it'd be great fun with IRL friends though)
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Yeah, if you don't already know anyone you'd want to play Dying Light co-op with, I would just leave it toggled off.
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El_Elegante posted:Just be clear that it’s the artificiality of the inclusivity that’s galling. Yeah the transparent cynicism is annoying, but I try to remind myself that its an indicator of the societal zeitgeist that these companies feel compelled to pay lip service to human dignity, and that's a good thing overall
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Smashing zombie heads with a friend in Dying Light is so much fun. Just back-to-back slashing away in the middle of a group of zombies until everything's dead is awesome. Plus you can see how hilarious the dropkick looks when watching someone else do it. It's a shame Dying Light 2 is basically stuck in the ether now last I checked.
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One fun thing about playing it on an ultrawide monitor: the increased FOV means it looks like dropkick victims fly for miles and it's funny every time hell, even the regular kick puts the Mighty Boot to shame
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Ciaphas posted:That was how it seemed to me too - the sort of thing I don't have much fun with in pick-up groups anyways. (Bet it'd be great fun with IRL friends though) Dying Light co op with friends while drinking heavily is an S tier experience
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It ends with everyone waking up with a headache and covered in rotting bits of meat, like any good night out on the town.
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El_Elegante posted:Just be clear that it’s the artificiality of the inclusivity that’s galling. This is why I don't like it. It's like making Soldier 76 gay in a forum post and banning people for calling FL4K a male or female pronoun. None of the above was planned in advance or in the story, and just thrown in there to win points and I think it's just hollow tokenism manufactured by crazy opportunistic Twitter people to fill a check mark. The whole world has gone loving crazy. I can't wait to play Cyberpunk so the stuff I described above is everywhere, and my choices involve tearing it it down Fargin Icehole fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Oct 5, 2020 |
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I haven't played the game yet, do we know it's like that or was the person saying, "Hey, there's going to be a lot of discussion including from people who haven't played yet, so here is this character's pronouns so you can get it right."? But yeah, if the only place you find out about something like that is Twitter then meh. edit: oh, just now seeing your edit so I guess it is the case that it's just on Twitter or something. That's unfortunate. Serves me right for having optimism I guess. :P
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it's possible that they wrote a nb character because they wanted to even though it is a AAA game the problem is it has to go through a thousand hands and revisions like how lara in TR reboot was supposed to be gay and it got squashed and then even in the comics it got micromanaged into a friendly hug there has to be more authentic voices spearheading AAA projects and making these decisions and showing companies that you actually can do inclusion/representation right and it's not going to impact your sales negatively but there's definitely a lot of behind the scenes fighting for it that we never get to see or hear about, at least if what has gone on in animation industry is anything to go by. people up top killing poo poo, sometimes to appease international markets, sometimes just because they think lgbt existence makes their audience uncomfortable. but if they do it in a brownie points way like having rainbow flag cosmetics, they can pretend like they were always for it, without actually allowing it into the creative process The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Oct 5, 2020 |
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The 7th Guest posted:it's possible that they wrote a nb character because they wanted to even though it is a AAA game For a lot of things like that in media representation sneaking in queer characters without making it obvious is almost the only way to make it work. And this is a Disney owned IP as well as Star Wars having a checkered history of queer representation in games. The major execs at Ubisoft literally shut down games with female characters insisting "female PCs don't sell games" and AC Odyessy had to include the male PC later on because the original plan for a sole female PC was deemed too risky. All it takes is the one old guy at the top to make sweeping demands and wipe out anything other then a traditional male/female dynamic and even then it's often man=strong hero/female= victim to rescue
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Lmao this is functionally identical to that "Dumbledore is gay, actually" poo poo.
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Very progressive to do this with an alien and not, you know, a human.
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Mordja posted:Lmao this is functionally identical to that "Dumbledore is gay, actually" poo poo. Except that Dumbledore was, actually and factually, gay, and it wasn't a retcon.
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John Lee posted:Except that Dumbledore was, actually and factually, gay, and it wasn't a retcon. Yeah its far more simple to point out JK Rowling's comments like "I never said Hermione wasn't black"
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John Lee posted:Except that Dumbledore was, actually and factually, gay, and it wasn't a retcon. Trap sprung.
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Dumbledore was obviously gay to anyone who was familiar with stereotypes in the midcentury British pop culture that Rowling was exposed to growing up.
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During her childhood, you mean. I don’t know that she grew up.
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Dias posted:Tropico is a clever critique of American perceptions regarding Latin American leftist governors. Or so I've been told, I never actually played the drat games. really it's just poorly balanced. also while you can emphasize the whole dictator thing in marketing, making gameplay mechanics that encourage you to do secret police assassinations and voter fraud is more difficult. most of these mechanics only exist to help you keep power if you've hosed up somehow, where the game is otherwise so easy that you can just run a benevolent socialist state and never be at risk
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ultrafilter posted:Dumbledore was obviously gay to anyone who was familiar with stereotypes in the midcentury British pop culture that Rowling was exposed to growing up. Quentin Crisp but a wizard?
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Fallom posted:Very progressive to do this with an alien and not, you know, a human. The leader of Titan Squadron (the main character from the short film) is gay and talks about their spouse in one of the scenes between missions.
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Star Valor is currently on a pretty good sale: https://store.steampowered.com/app/833360/Star_Valor/. Any impressions of it? I feel like I've seen it mentioned here before but can't find much.
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luxury handset posted:really it's just poorly balanced. also while you can emphasize the whole dictator thing in marketing, making gameplay mechanics that encourage you to do secret police assassinations and voter fraud is more difficult. most of these mechanics only exist to help you keep power if you've hosed up somehow, where the game is otherwise so easy that you can just run a benevolent socialist state and never be at risk I thought in Tropico 3 at least you had US or Russian interests trying to buy you off for favors and whoever you picked/didn't pick would then try to destabilize your country with sabotage and riots.
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pentyne posted:I thought in Tropico 3 at least you had US or Russian interests trying to buy you off for favors and whoever you picked/didn't pick would then try to destabilize your country with sabotage and riots. You can buy them off with trade deals and they'll ignore you as long as your banana prices are good
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Iverron posted:Star Valor is currently on a pretty good sale: https://store.steampowered.com/app/833360/Star_Valor/. It's on my list and I'd also love to hear some goon impressions. Especially how it compares to Starsector and VoidExpanse.
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ultrafilter posted:Dumbledore was obviously gay to anyone who was familiar with stereotypes in the midcentury British pop culture that Rowling was exposed to growing up. I was a kid in 70s nz, which had a lot of uk cultural referents still, and I'm not sure he was. Gay then meant camp, "are you being served" etc. sebmojo fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Oct 5, 2020 |
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luxury handset posted:really it's just poorly balanced. also while you can emphasize the whole dictator thing in marketing, making gameplay mechanics that encourage you to do secret police assassinations and voter fraud is more difficult. most of these mechanics only exist to help you keep power if you've hosed up somehow, where the game is otherwise so easy that you can just run a benevolent socialist state and never be at risk See, it's easier to run a benevolent socialist state with some populist propaganda to stay in power than being a secret oppressive pinko threat! The interpretation still works! (I'm joking, mostly)
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Fargin Icehole posted:This is why I don't like it. Could you please use the term "virtue-signalling" so I can get a bingo. E. Scratch that, your av is from the game made by 8channers with a sex robot that looks like a child as one of the main characters so I got it already.
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I enjoyed playing Tropicos 3-5 (5 was free on PS+ lol) but they've always had the problem where, outside of gimmick levels, the key to victory is to make a rum factory or two (or tourism I guess) and rake in infinite dollars, and all the swiss bank account/dictator stuff is sort of just for the hell of it and doesn't matter in the face of your endless money geyser that can easily cover all expenses forever (and which you can siphon off eventually anyway). I've only had to care about a military outside a campaign level twice and that was because a disaster blew up a rum factory lol Like, you could try and cancel elections, set up secret police, execute particular faction leaders, pump up the nationalist party, and build a military state that only just isn't getting blockaded, but you need to build the farms and factories anyway, so why would you? Presumably the swiss bank account is your real score but you can pump that up doing all the rest anyway, and 5 had that rolling campaign so you could gently caress yourself back in level 2 if you overdid it.
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Orv posted:I mean it doesn't actually matter because there will be no talking about the characters outside the game aside from comments like "Boy they sure got a lot of bad acting done huh" because the interstitial stuff in Squadrons is very not good. If I'm honest I just spent the between-missions stuff just staring intently at the incredible texture work on the pilot flight suits (and pretty much everything else) 
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Sleeveless posted:Could you please use the term "virtue-signalling" so I can get a bingo. VA-11 Hall-A devs were 8channers? First time I've heard about that.
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luxury handset posted:really it's just poorly balanced. also while you can emphasize the whole dictator thing in marketing, making gameplay mechanics that encourage you to do secret police assassinations and voter fraud is more difficult. most of these mechanics only exist to help you keep power if you've hosed up somehow, where the game is otherwise so easy that you can just run a benevolent socialist state and never be at risk Maybe it is actually a very well balanced and realistic simulation where making people happy and comfortable leads to them supporting your policies. lol at the idea of someone rationally voting in their own self interest
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El_Elegante posted:During her childhood, you mean. I don’t know that she grew up. Well, she "grew up" in that she's now taller and can buy booze at the pub.
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RBA Starblade posted:I enjoyed playing Tropicos 3-5 (5 was free on PS+ lol) but they've always had the problem where, outside of gimmick levels, the key to victory is to make a rum factory or two (or tourism I guess) and rake in infinite dollars, and all the swiss bank account/dictator stuff is sort of just for the hell of it and doesn't matter in the face of your endless money geyser that can easily cover all expenses forever (and which you can siphon off eventually anyway). I've only had to care about a military outside a campaign level twice and that was because a disaster blew up a rum factory lol The hardest mission in Tropico 3 for me was the one where you need a high happiness in a certain amount of years. It is quite easy to get an early army base to squash the initial rebellion and then never have to worry about any of that again once you get 50 all-round happiness. Which is just a case of listening to what the radio announcer tells you. There are multiple elements/mechanics in the game you can almost ignore if you just get a stable economy.
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I feel like Tropico 3-5 were basically the same game repackaged and resold three times over. Which is lovely. Haven't played Tropico 6.
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Sleeveless posted:Could you please use the term "virtue-signalling" so I can get a bingo. Oh poo poo, Bingo already? Cool, what'd you get
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Iverron posted:Star Valor is currently on a pretty good sale: https://store.steampowered.com/app/833360/Star_Valor/. Might hop onto this soon. I'm a sucker for this stuff.
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Sleeveless posted:Could you please use the term "virtue-signalling" so I can get a bingo. I know engaging with Guy Mann is a mistake, but here I go. Guy, they are not complaining that gay/trans/NB characters exist, they are complaining that they never exist in any kind of overt or important way. If a character is gay, but only stated to be gay in outside materials and them being gay never actually enters in to a story in any way shape or form, that isn't inclusion. That's not respecting LGBTQ people, that's giving them the tiniest of scraps of inclusion so that they shut up, stop complaining and buy your product. If the new star wars game's main character was a non-binary human, that'd be something. Or if Overwatch had Soldier 76 and Tracer actually acknowledge their sexuality in any way in-game in a way that couldn't be immediately and easily scrubbed for foreign audiences. It's a hollow gesture to say you support LGBTQ people while refusing to actually include them in any kind of significant way.
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Isaacs Alter Ego posted:I know engaging with Guy Mann is a mistake, but here I go. It literally is "virtue signaling" lmao
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