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Chomp8645 posted:I'm unfamiliar with this Ellen Page thing, but from the basic description it sounds similar to Hot Coffee? As in, it requires modding or some other fuckery to even see the nudity in question? And even then it's not her actual nudity? Yes, the game featured no visible nudity, but of course it was possible to get control of the scene and show the nude model they pasted her face onto.
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Chomp8645 posted:I'm unfamiliar with this Ellen Page thing, but from the basic description it sounds similar to Hot Coffee? As in, it requires modding or some other fuckery to even see the nudity in question? And even then it's not her actual nudity? There's two parts of it. On the one hand there's the leaked stuff that is hot coffee-ish, sure. On the other hand there's the very high probability that the dev team and David Cage in particular were real creepos to Ellen Page, which may or may not be a ~forums rumor~ or whatever but like: grate deceiver posted:I don't really care about the Ellen Page's model thing because there's enough text in those games to conclude ten times over that David Cage is a stupid creepy idiot who makes shitass games Exactly.
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It's been fun reading the sensible half of this dogturd conversation because I have the other side on ignore, both of them.
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Video game crunch should be more like film industry crunch. Film is done on stupid fast schedules and working insane hours is pretty normal for crew. Except in film, those crew members rack up absolutely insane overtime wages because they quickly enter triple or quadruple hourly pay. I'll give you one guess as to the big difference between those two industries. Surprise! It's that the NA film industry is unionized. Sure, the studio's still hate unions, but they'd rather pay reasonably fair rates for all that overtime if it gets the film done a couple of weeks faster.
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Spatial posted:has ben garrison been replaced with a pod person or what p sure Garrison thinks the GOP are the brave main streeters sticking up against the mean old Wall Street Democrats
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PhilippAchtel posted:
No $ on the bags wall street is carrying, 3/10
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Lemony posted:Video game crunch should be more like film industry crunch. Film is done on stupid fast schedules and working insane hours is pretty normal for crew. Except in film, those crew members rack up absolutely insane overtime wages because they quickly enter triple or quadruple hourly pay. I'll give you one guess as to the big difference between those two industries. Fortunately for them they can film in other countries! Like in New Zealand! Where Warner Brothers successfully pressured the previous government into changing employment law to specifically state that film industry people are all independent contractors thus meaning they can't unionise! Or they weren't going to film those ghastly Hobbit movies here! And the current government, led by the "Labour" party who have a bunch of affiliated unions, still haven't fixed this! Yay! e: I guess to be fair the new govt did change the law a little bit so that film workers can collectively bargain again, but still no unionising. voiceless anal fricative has issued a correction as of 03:30 on Oct 6, 2020 |
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Main Paineframe posted:p sure Garrison thinks the GOP are the brave main streeters sticking up against the mean old Wall Street Democrats I brought this sort of thing up in another thread and the consensus was "yeah this is the socialism part of national socialism" which is real depressing.
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bike tory posted:Fortunately for them they can film in other countries! Like in New Zealand! Where Warner Brothers successfully pressured the previous government into changing employment law to specifically state that film industry people are all independent contractors thus meaning they can't unionise! Or they weren't going to film those ghastly Hobbit movies here! And the current government, led by the "Labour" party who have a bunch of affiliated unions, still haven't fixed this! Yup, that whole cluster gently caress still makes me very, very angry.
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Garrison is, nominally, a libertarian. He still inveighs against "elites" on occasion, in typical petit-bourgeois fascion.
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Chamale posted:Poland has actual labour laws so CDPR legally can't have their employees work more than 8 hours of overtime per week or more than 150 hours of overtime per year. Of course, the situation is probably that the programmers are forced to work more than that amount of overtime and they get fired if they complain. Yes, also they've been in crunch since at least January 2019 according to my buddy who used to work there. But it was 'unofficial' peer pressure crunch. The bonus thing is also a method of control - you used to only get it if you made it through the year. So the devs will continue crunching on patches and dlc. 10 percent though, one of the good ones!!
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Shame Boy posted:10% of "sales revenue" sounds like some hollywood accounting bullshit but ok. No the Hollywood scam specifically is giving you points on the profit rather than the revenue, then using accounting tricks such as claiming the entire production costs of a movie whose trailer is shown previous to the actual loving movie in question as expenses on the actual movie, thus reducing accounting profits to 0 and leaving you with jack poo poo. The way around it is to take points on the gross revenue, which is what Keanu Reeves did with The Matrix and became the best paid actor off of.
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Also btw cdprs salary is not great compared to other computer industry jobs, the bonus split between people just about makes it competitive - but you have to stick around for an entire year to get it. In short, they are better than most vg companies, but that doesn't make them good.
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shut the gently caress up and post pictures nerds https://twitter.com/DOG_NOISE/status/1313123986448949249
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Orange Devil posted:No the Hollywood scam specifically is giving you points on the profit rather than the revenue, then using accounting tricks such as claiming the entire production costs of a movie whose trailer is shown previous to the actual loving movie in question as expenses on the actual movie, thus reducing accounting profits to 0 and leaving you with jack poo poo. The way around it is to take points on the gross revenue, which is what Keanu Reeves did with The Matrix and became the best paid actor off of. Every year the guy who wrote the screen play for Men In Black gets a letter stating that due to the movie not making a profit he doesn't get any residuals from his work.
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Same with the guy who wrote the Forrest Gump novel. He got jack-poo poo from the adaption rights as his contract was on the profits.
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dex_sda posted:Also btw cdprs salary is not great compared to other computer industry jobs, the bonus split between people just about makes it competitive - but you have to stick around for an entire year to get it. so basically the best one can expect under capitalism
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Cold on a Cob posted:so basically the best one can expect under capitalism even under capitalism, a specialised worker in an industry that demands expert labour more than there is supply of that should have relatively ok working conditions. no crunch, no seven day weeks. video game industry is uniquely terrible among computer industries for that, because it banks on people's ambition for creative endeavours to keep labour in line.
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Orange Devil posted:No the Hollywood scam specifically is giving you points on the profit rather than the revenue, then using accounting tricks such as claiming the entire production costs of a movie whose trailer is shown previous to the actual loving movie in question as expenses on the actual movie, thus reducing accounting profits to 0 and leaving you with jack poo poo. The way around it is to take points on the gross revenue, which is what Keanu Reeves did with The Matrix and became the best paid actor off of. Yeah if you look at the actual statement it uses the term "profits" so who knows.
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Two of my friends work at CDPR and they had a good laugh at the non-mandatory overtime the first time it was announced. They were already in crunch for a while back then. The company tried quite hard to replicate the Silicon Valley start-up culture, with a fancy office with lots of facilities, but then working employees to the bone at average/slightly below average wages. They both took a relative pay cut when they started to work at CDPR, but thought it would be a good thing to have on a resume. One of the main ways of non-mandatory peer pressure is that middle management all work even more than regular employees, which creates that whole "in it together" and "support your colleagues" and risk of resentment if others don't do it. Every single instance of crunch time, and/or delays, is upper management incompetence at project management and comically optimistic views of timelines. That it's common is worker exploitation, yes, but it's equally a sign of upper class incompetence.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:The company tried quite hard to replicate the Silicon Valley start-up culture, with a fancy office with lots of facilities, but then working employees to the bone at average/slightly below average wages. Not sure why you used the word "but" there, that's all consistent with silicon valley startup culture  Also: Zeppelin Insanity posted:One of the main ways of non-mandatory peer pressure is that middle management all work even more than regular employees, which creates that whole "in it together" and "support your colleagues" and risk of resentment if others don't do it. God I hate this poo poo, my wife's company does this. Everyone there doesn't take lunch breaks (wtf) so she's pressured into also not taking a lunch break or else she'd be the only one conspicuously absent, even though one of the few worker protections America actually has is that you're legally entitled to a goddamn lunch break.
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dex_sda posted:Also btw cdprs salary is not great compared to other computer industry jobs, the bonus split between people just about makes it competitive - but you have to stick around for an entire year to get it. Zeppelin Insanity posted:Two of my friends work at CDPR and they had a good laugh at the non-mandatory overtime the first time it was announced. They were already in crunch for a while back then. The company tried quite hard to replicate the Silicon Valley start-up culture, with a fancy office with lots of facilities, but then working employees to the bone at average/slightly below average wages. They both took a relative pay cut when they started to work at CDPR, but thought it would be a good thing to have on a resume. One of the main ways of non-mandatory peer pressure is that middle management all work even more than regular employees, which creates that whole "in it together" and "support your colleagues" and risk of resentment if others don't do it. drat I didn't know about all this stuff, they sound worse than what I knew
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indigi posted:god I love being in a decent union mine is so ineffectual our “strikes” have been jokes. and now covid is gonna gently caress us and they’re not gonna do anything
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Shame Boy posted:Not sure why you used the word "but" there, that's all consistent with silicon valley startup culture Poor wording. That's what I meant. Train of thought along the lines of "look at all these gimmicky things in the office, no you don't get to enjoy them back to work!"
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Two of my friends work at CDPR and they had a good laugh at the non-mandatory overtime the first time it was announced. They were already in crunch for a while back then. The company tried quite hard to replicate the Silicon Valley start-up culture, with a fancy office with lots of facilities, but then working employees to the bone at average/slightly below average wages. They both took a relative pay cut when they started to work at CDPR, but thought it would be a good thing to have on a resume. One of the main ways of non-mandatory peer pressure is that middle management all work even more than regular employees, which creates that whole "in it together" and "support your colleagues" and risk of resentment if others don't do it. reminds me of the rockstar team working 100 hour weeks on rdr 2 and the upper management types did an interview where they were like "we wouldn't ask them to do anything we wouldn't do, so we were in the office too!" which a) could mean anything and b) just because they're freaks who are fine living at work doesn't mean they should be allowed to bully everyone else into it too
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Actually, it's about ethics in video game development. I miss my recently fired boss who bragged about how his old unit was simultaneously constantly taking the piss, working less than everyone else and way ahead on productivity. Turns out well-motivated workers are more productive. He was fired because his superiors had hosed up royally and needed to show that they were taking action in a serious way. He had been in the job for half a year and had pointed out the fuckup several times...
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:The company tried quite hard to replicate the Silicon Valley start-up culture, with a fancy office with lots of facilities, but then working employees to the bone at average/slightly below average wages. You implied these aren't related. They are.
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BonHair posted:Actually, it's about ethics in video game development. Every story from the trenches about game dev sounds like someone somewhere at or above the director level makes a timeline promise to boards/investors/upper levels like "sure, 24 months sounds completely fine" and when they kick it down to the actual hand on workers the response is "loving what?" Icewind Dale 2 was started by the CEOs calling in a lead dev into their office, chatting about it and going "so, 4 months to make this?" followed up by the dev telling them they were loving insane and 10 months later IWD2 had been rushed out to market.
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Serf posted:reminds me of the rockstar team working 100 hour weeks on rdr 2 and the upper management types did an interview where they were like "we wouldn't ask them to do anything we wouldn't do, so we were in the office too!" which a) could mean anything and b) just because they're freaks who are fine living at work doesn't mean they should be allowed to bully everyone else into it too Yeah this, never forget a lot of higher ups count things like "2 hour pub lunches" and "golf" as "work" so even if they are in the office all the time it's not quite as crushing as it is for the people lower down doing 14 hour days 6 or 7 days a week. I did/do QA work and I'll always remember one time at my first job in the middle of some mild crunch the managers in their corner of the office just said as we were coming in "hey, today we just want to play WoW all day so if you can just vet all the bugs that come in so we don't have to look at them that would be great" to the senior lead that day, the senior lead being a randomly chosen team leader who was on the same zero hours contract as the other leads and testers and just got paid the lead rate.
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i like how “move fast and break things” is basically “move fast and ignore worker protections”
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The Bloop posted:Break "things" Checks out, laborers aren't people, they're just things.
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Jel Shaker posted:i like how “move fast and break things” is basically “move fast and ignore worker protections” move fast and break laws, but yes that includes labour laws
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Every single instance of crunch time, and/or delays, is upper management incompetence at project management and comically optimistic views of timelines. That it's common is worker exploitation, yes, but it's equally a sign of upper class incompetence. Is it really incompetence if they're getting people to work harder and not paying them more? Sounds a lot like the bosses are getting exactly what they want.
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