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Frijin
Jul 17, 2015
I've played through RA2 + YR a few times and never noticed the animation of the dog jumping in celebration at the end.

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Carpator Diei
Feb 26, 2011
I'm pretty sure the locations of Yuri's power plants were revealed when you garrisoned the Space Needle. Seems a bit pointless, though, since you can garrison it a few seconds after the mission begins, so you might as well just have that map information right from the start.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Dog IFV gains spy detections capabilities, but it's hard to tell that's what happened. If you're using them as AA it's a straight upgrade, so may as well.

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
Dog IFV should get tiny loud speakers and play loud barking sounds at people :colbert:

BiggestOrangeTree
May 19, 2008
Dog IFV should jump on enemies except better.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Dogs should have a Good Boy ability which when activated makes them run to a nearby enemy infantry wagging their tail so the infantry stops doing whatever it's doing to pet the dog for a few seconds.

UED Special Ops posted:

One other thing to mention about the Virus unit, those clouds of gas left behind when she kills an infantry are super lethal to infantry, and any infantry killed by a poison cloud spawns a fresh one, so clustered infantry can be wiped out incredibly quickly if you are not careful. Not sure if that makes up for the lower range though, as Gattling Tanks and Towers already are a major deterrent to infantry swarms.
It is a cool unit, but yeah they're not very useful. Except against a Yuri slave miner.

All anti-infantry has the same flaw, infantry isn't really a threat in the first place. It's only dangerous when garrisoned at which point anti infantry is completely useless until you've blown up the structure.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Yuri clones are a significant threat. Also guardian GIs will trade surprisingly cost effectively if you don't have a proper anti infantry counter.

In terms of garrisons infantry forced out of a garrison will just happily walk into another building unless you can kill them quickly in the intervening time. High level initiate garrisons are remarkably nasty.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Oct 7, 2020

Laughing Zealot
Oct 10, 2012


It's really annoying that destroying garrisoned buildings doesn't deal any damage to the garrison and as noted above me, they just run into the next building if you don't have something on hand to kill them quickly.

Snipers really are mvps in this mission. Yuri's forces mostly attack with infantry which gets airlifted in regularly (I don't think the production buildings in the base do much). You also get a few snipers every time you capture a power plant.

UED Special Ops
Oct 21, 2008
Grimey Drawer

BiggestOrangeTree posted:

Dog IFV should jump on enemies except better.

Dog IFVs granting rocket boosters to jump on and crush infantry from half-way across the map. Complete with the gun port changing into a megaphone so it can woof as it leaps.


Fangz posted:

High level initiate garrisons are remarkably nasty.

Very very true, and this is the one place where they are flat out superior to GIs and Conscripts, even Apoc. Tanks melt under a full garrison of them, and garrisoned they have the same range as garrisoned Allied and Soviet infantry I believe. Makes urban combat vs Yuri very nasty if you are not careful/have good scouting, one wrong move and oops there goes your tank force.

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.
Allied Snipers caused no end of nerdrage about "rendering Yuri unusuable" in multiplayer. A few of them in IFVs can shut down a Yuri player's economy completely. You used to see games ban them before the Grand Cannon became the cheese unit du jour. They are certainly very very effective against Yuri Clones, and both outrange the Virus and fire at a faster rate.

I always thought the Virus was specifically intended for use against entrenched GI sandbag positions or conscript waves. Yuri's defences are ironically vulnerable to infantry waves, and YR seems generally designed to encourage more infantry use.

These missing scripted triggers are really weird. It's looking like the final YR patch triggered the removal of a whole load of scripted sequences across both original and YR campaigns. That's kinda sad, since the game is clearly diminished for it.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

And it was the only patch they managed putting out.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Carpator Diei posted:

I'm pretty sure the locations of Yuri's power plants were revealed when you garrisoned the Space Needle. Seems a bit pointless, though, since you can garrison it a few seconds after the mission begins, so you might as well just have that map information right from the start.

According to the wiki I'm using, it states it reveals the entire map. Same with my Prima Guide.


As for Viruses, they have their uses. They're pretty great against Guardian GIs, and I can't see why a Yuri player wouldn't use gattling tanks or lashers to protect their miners.

Hank Morgan
Jun 17, 2007

Light Along the Inverse Curve.
Bob Bing :aaa:




Edit: Just saw the video. Already mentioned there.

Hank Morgan fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Oct 7, 2020

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I like how Bing mention that his company was forced to develop 'genetic software' for Yuri and everyone just instantly accept this instead of asking what the gently caress that even means.

In the Red Alert universe genetic engineering is as simple as typing PRINT "HELLO WORLD!"

Nostalgamus
Sep 28, 2010

One little thing I remembered from messing around with the level editor back in the day: In the editor, the Massivesoft building was named "Microspam" instead. Not sure if they were ever planing to use that name.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


At least they didn't go for Microhard.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
So wait... Did Yuri's Revenge prophesy the Bing search engine? Because that only happened 12 years after this game....

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Fangz posted:

So wait... Did Yuri's Revenge prophesy the Bing search engine? Because that only happened 12 years after this game....

8, and yes!

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
You know, I've got a hard time thinking of any RTS with as many unique interactions as RA2/YR.

ThingOne
Jul 30, 2011



Would you like some tofu?


There's some really weird ones if you dig deep enough. You know how tanks will get get tossed around a bit by strong attacks? If you hit one with enough of them at fast enough without somehow destroying it first it'll flip over and explode. I only ever found out about it because I came across a youtube video where some guy just goes wild experimenting and it took an Iron Curtain charge and a massive fleet of Kirovs to trigger it. I have no idea where this would ever come into play but it's there.

Edit: holy poo poo it can happen to ships too :psyduck:

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

With a par time like that it feels like you're supposed to know about NOT capturing a power plant.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

ThingOne posted:

There's some really weird ones if you dig deep enough. You know how tanks will get get tossed around a bit by strong attacks? If you hit one with enough of them at fast enough without somehow destroying it first it'll flip over and explode. I only ever found out about it because I came across a youtube video where some guy just goes wild experimenting and it took an Iron Curtain charge and a massive fleet of Kirovs to trigger it. I have no idea where this would ever come into play but it's there.

Yeah, that's something a few mods play with, like making psychic units who can flip tanks with their mind. Plus Ares adds a bunch more weird little stuff.

Laughing Zealot
Oct 10, 2012


The nostalgia finally overwhelmed me and I'm replaying Yuri's Revenge. I'm legit having some difficulties just playing on normal, heh.

Radio Free Kobold
Aug 11, 2012

"Federal regulations mandate that at least 30% of our content must promote Reptilian or Draconic culture. This is DJ Scratch N' Sniff with the latest mermaid screeching on KBLD..."




Yeah I reinstalled too, except I started loving about with rules.ini (apparently called spawner.xdp in this version?) and now the game crashes intermittantly. Why, why did I do this?

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Radio Free Kobold posted:

Yeah I reinstalled too, except I started loving about with rules.ini (apparently called spawner.xdp in this version?) and now the game crashes intermittantly. Why, why did I do this?

There's still a rules.ini file

Radio Free Kobold
Aug 11, 2012

"Federal regulations mandate that at least 30% of our content must promote Reptilian or Draconic culture. This is DJ Scratch N' Sniff with the latest mermaid screeching on KBLD..."




Maybe I'm playing some weird :filez: version then

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Radio Free Kobold posted:

Maybe I'm playing some weird :filez: version then

I mean, I have that file too, but you should have a rules.ini file sitting around

Radio Free Kobold
Aug 11, 2012

"Federal regulations mandate that at least 30% of our content must promote Reptilian or Draconic culture. This is DJ Scratch N' Sniff with the latest mermaid screeching on KBLD..."




Jobbo_Fett posted:

I mean, I have that file too, but you should have a rules.ini file sitting around
Can you tell me where to look?

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Radio Free Kobold posted:

Can you tell me where to look?

Should just be in the main directory, I've never had to extract the regular one, just the expansion's.

Chronojam
Feb 20, 2006

This is me on vacation in Amsterdam :)
Never be afraid of being yourself!


Doesn't YR use a rulesmd.ini or something?

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Chronojam posted:

Doesn't YR use a rulesmd.ini or something?

Yes

Radio Free Kobold
Aug 11, 2012

"Federal regulations mandate that at least 30% of our content must promote Reptilian or Draconic culture. This is DJ Scratch N' Sniff with the latest mermaid screeching on KBLD..."




Chronojam posted:

Doesn't YR use a rulesmd.ini or something?

Yeah, all the YR stuff is [filename]md

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Should just be in the main directory, I've never had to extract the regular one, just the expansion's.


This is a fresh install from Origin :psyduck:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Huh... must be Origin then, being a bunch of jerks.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




gotta find my original cd, and then probably find out I need a custom installer because it so old

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Huh... must be Origin then, being a bunch of jerks.

Some versions of the C&C games left it in the .mix archive by default.

You CAN just download a rules.ini and drop it in the directory instead of finding one of the ancient extraction utilities though.

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.
It finally arrived! :toot:

Groetgaffel fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Oct 14, 2020

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Oh man. I was seriously considering getting that just for the plastic Obelisk; what stopped me in the end was the hope for a TS version.

e: VVV Awesome!

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Oct 14, 2020

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.
It plays the obelisk firing sound when you push a button, and the little prism on the top lights up red at the end of the charging sequence.
Same thing with the tesla coil.

So now I have two "press button, receive nostalgia" gadgets on my desk.

E: Demonstration with sound.

Groetgaffel fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Oct 14, 2020

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Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Allied X04: Operation: Tomb Raided

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKAiV770Png
Operation: Tomb Raided




Yuri has managed to take control of Einstein with his mind control devices! You must rescue the professor at all costs and, if possible, destroy the Psychic Dominator in the area.






Somewhere in Egypt. The map itself doesn't appear to be based on a real location.




Location: Egypt
Objective: Rescue Einstein and destroy Yuri's base in the area.

Briefing: [NONE]

Author's note: I wish that the setup for the Psychic Dominator's base was designed differently so that you didn't blow it up while making the rounds. This map is boring in light of the previous three.





Name: Lt. Eva
Aliases: None
Affiliation: Allies
Occupation: Tactical and Communications officer for the Commander
Voiced/Played by: Athena Massey

Lt. Eva is the Commander's tactics and communications officer, providing a vital supporting role in the Commander's control of his forces, and the battlefield.



Name: Ben Carville
Aliases: General Thorn
Affiliation: Allies
Occupation: Leading General of the US Forces. [UNDECEASED]
Voiced/Played by: Barry Corbin

Top military official for the United States of America's armed forces. Reports directly to the president. Enjoys antagonizing Tanya. Was temporarily subverted by the Soviet Union due to mind control weapons. Impressed by the Commander's ability to befriend Tanya. Killed before he could transfer to Europe when a suicide bomber infiltrated his HQ. Casually drops one of the best lines of all time related to time travel.






Tank Destroyer
RANGE: Medium
ARMOR: Heavy
WEAPON: Specially-developed SABOT rounds
COST: 900

German scientists have developed the Tank Destroyer, a unit designed specifically to give German forces an edge against enemy armour. While very weak against structures or infantry, Tank Destroyers are extremely powerful against enemy vehicles, and can be used either to clear the way for your own attacks or to blunt incoming columns of enemy armour.

Author's Note: I can't say I ever used these, and their usefulness relies entirely on whether or not you are facing the Soviets, rather than Yuri. That being said, its an alright specialist unit for under 1000 credits.



Robot Control Center
ARMOR: Wood
COST: 600
POWER USAGE: 100
PURPOSE: Unlocks Robot Tank production

The Robot Control Center allows the Allies to build Robot Tanks. This building can be built after the production and placement of an Allied War Factory. This building ceases to function if it has low/no power.

Author's Note: Provides a very useful unit against Yuri, but beware of your power situation.



Robot Tank
RANGE: Short-Medium
ARMOR: Heavy
WEAPON: Robot Cannon
COST: 600

The main strength of the Robot Tank is that it cannot be mind controlled because there is no human driver onboard this assault vehicle. Robot Tanks hover, allowing them to cross water. The ability to create Robot Tanks is granted with the construction of a Robot Control Center. These cease to function if they have low/no power.

Author's Note: A cheap, spammable tank that floats and can't be mind controlled. It's only downsides being that it has a small health pool and can be rendered useless if the commander cannot power them.



Aftermath:

Faster than Par Time: "With your speed and accuracy Einstein was rescued and Yuri's installation is no more. Yuri realizes now you're a force to be reckoned with."

Slower than Par Time: "You rescued Einstein but Yuri was able to withdraw key forces before his base was destroyed."

Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Dec 9, 2020

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