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He obviously meant the only one in The Boys.
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Oct 7, 2020 17:39
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she's also named "the female of the species" based on a poem about how women are more powerful than men
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Oct 7, 2020 17:46
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radmonger posted:This is complicated by the fact that significant aspects of the Nazi ideology that are false in the real world are shown as being true in the show. Homelander really is meaningfully superior to everyone else, in ways that really matter. The show has gone out of its way to state that one homelander-level super is at least the military equal of an armored division, and maybe the entire US military. And also that the ability to biologically absorb and process compound V is at least genetic, and probably racial. Not only are all the strongest and stablest supers white, both major black supes shown as having critical health issues. And a third world guerrilla group with access to a limited supply of V chose to use it all on its two Japanese captives, presumably on the grounds they had no Aryans available. I don’t like going straight to a  racial explanation for super powers (actually I really don’t like it, because races aren’t even biologically coherent). Like in real life, disparity in outcomes across race lines can probably be attributed to structural factors. A-Train has to abuse V because his entire career depends on having milliseconds of edge. Vought was probably pretty racist in selecting black kids for their trials. Fewer black supes means fewer rolls of the dice and fewer chances of a really stable and powerful one.I really don’t think that white people make better supers in this show’s world.
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Oct 7, 2020 17:53
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When are we going to get to see someone take V and get turned into a corncob or something
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Oct 7, 2020 18:06
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moist turtleneck posted:When are we going to get to see someone take V and get turned into a corncob or something turns out all the headsploding was just perfectly timed, but random, V side effects after HL just dumped gallons of it into the water supply they did mention(SF i think?) that they've had exploded heads when trying it on adults...
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Oct 7, 2020 18:12
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:What? Stillwell is a man in the comics, Becca gets fridged pre-storyline. You'd be very hard-pressed to find a female character in the comic that isn't a) a sex worker, b) getting raped or c) implausibly loving Butcher every time they meet. Ennis is way too edgelord to write a female main character hence Kimiko having no name and no lines. jabby fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Oct 7, 2020 |
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Oct 7, 2020 18:13
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jabby posted:Stillwell is a man in the comics, Becca gets fridged pre-storyline. You'd be very hard-pressed to find a female character in the comic that isn't a) a sex worker, b) getting raped or c) implausibly loving Butcher every time they meet. Ennis is way too edgelord to write a female main character hence Kimiko having no name and no lines. Sorry, thought you were talking about the show there.
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Oct 7, 2020 18:23
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alexandriao posted:The best thing they could have done with that kid was put him in society I've mentioned it before but if you want to see this put into practice the comic "Irredeemable" has a very similar evil hero origin story. The upshot is that yes, it's super traumatising for a six-year-old to push a fellow child and explode them into pulp because in one second they lose their friends, neighbours, schoolmates and basically become a child-murdering monster in the eyes of everyone who knows them. In fact that's where the title comes from, the hero eventually snaps because in his eyes all it takes is one tiny mistake, one momentary poor decision or loss of focus that normal people are allowed all the time, to make him "irredeemable" and never able to be forgiven. Zazz Razzamatazz posted:Sorry, thought you were talking about the show there. The show really does a good job of improving things, and giving Kimiko a name, backstory and characterisation beyond "mute feral animal" really helps.
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Oct 7, 2020 18:25
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jabby posted:Stillwell is a man in the comics, Becca gets fridged pre-storyline. You'd be very hard-pressed to find a female character in the comic that isn't a) a sex worker, b) getting raped or c) implausibly loving Butcher every time they meet. Ennis is way too edgelord to write a female main character hence Kimiko having no name and no lines. Yeah, the strongest female character Ennis has ever written was Kathryn O'Brien in the Punisher Max storyline, and even then she was a crass caricature who 1) was raped by dozens of Afghani warlords and 2) implausibly hosed Frank every time (twice) they met.
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Oct 7, 2020 18:27
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I liked Irredeemable because literally what sets him down the path of evil (until you see his origin) is two teenagers in the back of a crowd making fun of his costume and him picking it up with his super-hearing
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Oct 7, 2020 18:28
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jabby posted:Stillwell is a man in the comics, Becca gets fridged pre-storyline. You'd be very hard-pressed to find a female character in the comic that isn't a) a sex worker, b) getting raped or c) implausibly loving Butcher every time they meet. Ennis is way too edgelord to write a female main character hence Kimiko having no name and no lines. I like the comics where Huey is severely pissed at Annie for getting raped before she even met him to the point where he can't even stomach looking at her face. She has to track him down to his home country to apologize to him.
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Oct 7, 2020 18:29
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Christ alive, they made a coloring book https://twitter.com/therealKripke/status/1313868376784035840 
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Oct 7, 2020 18:29
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Blaise330 posted:I like the comics where Huey is severely pissed at Annie for getting raped before she even met him to the point where he can't even stomach looking at her face. She has to track him down to his home country to apologize to him. Yeah thats some poo poo I'm sure glad ain't in the show. I think it feels really fun not having an obvious outcome, and this show I think has been p good at avoiding the obvious lazy solution out of something they've written into it. There are lots of ways they could take the plots they've setup, and it's cool feeling like there is just so much opportunity with what could happen. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Oct 7, 2020 |
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Oct 7, 2020 18:47
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Blaise330 posted:I like the comics where Huey is severely pissed at Annie for getting raped before she even met him to the point where he can't even stomach looking at her face. She has to track him down to his home country to apologize to him. Jesus Christ. I said it before and I'll say it again, everything I hear about the comic is just the most disgusting 12 year old edgelordy bullshit. Who the hell edits his work?
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Oct 7, 2020 18:52
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Azhais posted:she's also named "the female of the species" based on a poem about how women are more powerful than men Eh, the poem is about how women are more vicious than men and, consequently, why patriarchal control is preferable as a mercy for everyone. It’s not a feminist poem by any real measure, though it is a fun literary reference and certainly more interesting than what people are presenting calling her “The Female” as.
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Oct 7, 2020 18:56
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General Battuta posted:I don’t like going straight to a The show seems to be trying to have it both ways with Supes being an allegory for racism/racial-supremism, while at the same time having actual straight up racism. Stormfront in particular states that she only actually cares about supes vs non-supes, but is also very clearly traditionally racist.
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Oct 7, 2020 18:56
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boo_radley posted:Christ alive, they made a coloring book ...Is that Homelander drinking the breastmilk? And that picture of Kimiko ripping the dude's face off is actually loving awesome lmao
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Oct 7, 2020 19:01
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As Nero Danced posted:Jesus Christ. I said it before and I'll say it again, everything I hear about the comic is just the most disgusting 12 year old edgelordy bullshit. Who the hell edits his work? Even Hughie gets sexually assaulted in the comics. Black Noir sticks his finger up Hughies rear end and when he reveals it to the team they all laugh at him. He was assaulted for no reason other than the boys to make fun of him.
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Oct 7, 2020 19:05
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That's basically hughie's entire purpose in the comics
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Oct 7, 2020 19:06
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:Eh, the poem is about how women are more vicious than men and, consequently, why patriarchal control is preferable as a mercy for everyone. It’s not a feminist poem by any real measure, though it is a fun literary reference and certainly more interesting than what people are presenting calling her “The Female” as. She's The Female because the comic is called The Boys and she's not a boy. The poem/song is just a vessel for that.
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Oct 7, 2020 19:08
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Blaise330 posted:I like the comics where Huey is severely pissed at Annie for getting raped before she even met him to the point where he can't even stomach looking at her face. She has to track him down to his home country to apologize to him. Holy poo poo, I always thought Butcher had intentionally taken a portion of the tape out of context and lied to gently caress with Hughie and turn him against Starlight. Which is still terrible and dumb but it's somehow worse that the main character, who is supposed to be a genuinely good guy we identify with and root for, sees his girlfriend get sexually assaulted and immediately defaults to blaming her.
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Oct 7, 2020 19:08
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Beef Stew posted:Holy poo poo, I always thought Butcher had intentionally taken a portion of the tape out of context and lied to gently caress with Hughie and turn him against Starlight. Which is still terrible and dumb but it's somehow worse that the main character, who is supposed to be a genuinely good guy we identify with and root for, sees his girlfriend get sexually assaulted and immediately defaults to blaming her. The same main character who gives Butcher a hard time for using homophobic slurs but then feels exceptionally uncomfortable at the idea of merely entering a gay bar. We need a :that's ennis:
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Oct 7, 2020 19:12
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Aphrodite posted:She's The Female because the comic is called The Boys and she's not a boy. The poem/song is just a vessel for that. She's called The Female and the comics called The Boys because Garth Ennis writes as a barely human edgeboy full of toxic, juvenile, and antiquated ideas about humanity and masculinity. The poem/song is just backfill for a hack's hacky hackwork.
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Oct 7, 2020 19:18
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Lmao love this new generation of hot takes about how Ennis is an edge lord, as if that wasn’t A) the entire point, B) incredibly successful, and C) ultimately a legacy that impacted some of the biggest names in Hollywood and informed popular culture for years to come.
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Oct 7, 2020 19:27
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Johnny Truant posted:they did mention(SF i think?) that they've had exploded heads when trying it on adults... It was Lamplighter, but he said "sometimes they explode", not their heads, specifically. Also, when Homelander was describing how he made Supe Terrorists, he said it was "very messy" injecting adults and he now understood why Vought didn't, but he didn't get more specific than that.
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Oct 7, 2020 19:28
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New generation? People were saying this when I was a literal edgelord teenage boy and it was apparent even as I was eagerly awaiting to see God get killed. Garth Ennis is great for the seed of an interesting story, you just don't wanna have him around as the gardener when almost anyone else will do more with it. Since his point is being edgy, it's obviously totally fair to mock him for it. You ever seen Crossed? Garth Ennis is just putting babies in a blender made out blended babies that he hosed because he's still the jnco kid in the trailer park with an older brother marine who puts firecrackers in cats butts
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Oct 7, 2020 19:36
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Bust Rodd posted:Lmao love this new generation of hot takes about how Ennis is an edge lord, as if that wasn’t A) the entire point, B) incredibly successful, and C) ultimately a legacy that impacted some of the biggest names in Hollywood and informed popular culture for years to come. That's Mark Millar. More people will read this post than Garth Ennis' work.
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Oct 7, 2020 19:36
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Bust Rodd posted:Lmao love this new generation of hot takes about how Ennis is an edge lord, as if that wasn’t A) the entire point, B) incredibly successful, and C) ultimately a legacy that impacted some of the biggest names in Hollywood and informed popular culture for years to come. .....what Sir this is a Boys thread
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Oct 7, 2020 19:37
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Zaphod42 posted:The same main character who gives Butcher a hard time for using homophobic slurs but then feels exceptionally uncomfortable at the idea of merely entering a gay bar. Yeah, this was a big clue for me that Ennis is actually a lovely person rather than just a deliberate edgelord. The classic 'politically correct character turns out to be the real racist, and the guy constantly screaming the N-word is actually tolerant and totally cool and it's just banter'.
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Oct 7, 2020 19:55
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Romes128 posted:That's so dumb it wasn't even in the comics, which is full of dumb poo poo. Dumb as hell but Noir being MMs irradiated brother sounds dope to me
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Oct 7, 2020 20:03
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Aphrodite posted:That's Mark Millar. More people will read this post than Garth Ennis' work. Yeah, Millar is a *slightly* restrained Ennis, but even in Nemesis he goes full on loving  when the "what if Bruce Wayne decided to be a supervillain instead of Batman" villain kidnaps the protagonist's son and daughter and impregnates the daughter with his gay son's sperm and (I swear I'm not making this up) rigs her 'womb' to 'collapse' if an abortion is attempted. Oh, and that's *after* he murders every single person in the Pentagon with nerve gas. I should also note that this was put out under the Marvel badge, not some indie or Dynamite.I'm honestly convinced some of these plots are a contrived challenge to see who can get the sickest and most disturbing poo poo greenlit, and Ennis ultimately won with Crossed. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Oct 7, 2020 |
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Oct 7, 2020 20:13
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Let he whose first name isn't 'Garth' and last name doesn't rhyme with penis cast the first stone....
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Oct 7, 2020 20:29
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General Battuta posted:Goons please stop coming up with weird ‘what really happened’ stories about Homelander’s rape crime, it’s weird. And if Homelander were somehow not to blame the child wouldn’t have Homelander powers. Disregard, I was pages behind.
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Oct 7, 2020 20:40
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Fionordequester posted:In a 3-panel fight that gets resolved off-screen. Butcher comes out completely unscathed, as a result. To be fair, Butcher got the gently caress out of there right after the exposition part but before the fighting started between the two most powerful people on Earth.
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Oct 7, 2020 20:49
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As Nero Danced posted:Jesus Christ. I said it before and I'll say it again, everything I hear about the comic is just the most disgusting 12 year old edgelordy bullshit. Who the hell edits his work? Reading the last page, I'm abundantly curious what the mid-metoo 2017 sales pitch was for this.
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Oct 7, 2020 20:53
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Avasculous posted:Reading the last page, I'm abundantly curious what the mid-metoo 2017 sales pitch was for this. Supposedly George Clooney was in talks to play Nick Fury when Marvel was sketching out the MCU cast list. Ennis had done a very Ennis "MAX" comic back in 2001-2002, and it somehow found its way into Clooney's hands for his researching of the role. Ol' George was evidently so reviled by it (it's actually pretty tame compared to most of Ennis' stuff) that he pulled himself out of consideration.
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Oct 7, 2020 21:00
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Sound: Blaise330 posted:I like the comics where Huey is severely pissed at Annie for getting raped before she even met him to the point where he can't even stomach looking at her face. She has to track him down to his home country to apologize to him. Zaphod42 posted:The same main character who gives Butcher a hard time for using homophobic slurs but then feels exceptionally uncomfortable at the idea of merely entering a gay bar. BIG HEADLINE posted:Yeah, Millar is a *slightly* restrained Ennis, but even in Nemesis he goes full on loving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldda7vhmuxU I know I've been out of comics for a bit (until right now - thank you Covid) but jesus... I always thought the edgelord shite was an exaggeration. I haven't read Wanted since I was a teen watching the movie. How bad is it? I remember liking that and Kick rear end but haven't revisited it in ages. Comics are weird as I remember being the same age as Damien Wayne and loved him and now.... well he's not Robin anymore but still a teen and I'm OLD. Also Miles Morales is B tier in the comic but glad Into the Spider-Verse blew up as he was a favourite. I remember liking the Ultimates but have a hunch it didn't age well either. Still surprised Static never got big as that cartoon was amazing as a kid. So are like half the comics I liked back in the day secretly something awful?
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Oct 7, 2020 21:30
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Bust Rodd posted:Lmao love this new generation of hot takes about how Ennis is an edge lord, as if that wasn’t A) the entire point, B) incredibly successful, and C) ultimately a legacy that impacted some of the biggest names in Hollywood and informed popular culture for years to come. His comics are terrible and the only way to make a good show out of them is to change basically everything, which is exactly what they did.
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Oct 7, 2020 21:33
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go look up the Crossed comic if you want to see some real gross poo poo.
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Oct 7, 2020 21:46
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Crossed is practically un-adaptable, since if you were to jettison the dumb edgelord poo poo there's literally nothing left. It's just a completely worthless premise.
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