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Looking forward to the crystal clarity of AMD marketing a product called "R7 5700X" at the same time that its graphics division is selling a product called "RX 5700XT"
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Khorne posted:As far as other prices go, the launch 5950x price is rough. I wanted to go from a 3900x to a 5950x, but I wanted to do it for closer to $650 than $800. The 5900x seems kind of reasonable and the 6c seems kind of rough and hard to justify over just getting a 3600. I'm hoping this is an "MSRP" situation where Microcenter has it for $50 less with another $25-$50 off if you buy a motherboard. Given the 10900k is ~$650, $550 for the 5900X is real good. $800 honestly isn't a bad deal for a 16c part, either, at only a 10%/core premium over the 5900X. It's still a lot of money to dump on a CPU, though. I do hope they adjust the 5800X price, because right now it's kinda awkward.
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GunnerJ posted:Looking forward to the crystal clarity of AMD marketing a product called "R7 5700X" at the same time that its graphics division is selling a product called "RX 5700XT" Just wait until they release a R7 5700XT!
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Oct 8, 2020 21:16
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DrDork posted:Given the 10900k is ~$650, $550 for the 5900X is real good. $800 honestly isn't a bad deal for a 16c part, either, at only a 10%/core premium over the 5900X. I mean, at least 1 leaked gaming benchmark had the 5800X beat the 10900K handily. If that holds true (or is even in the ballpark) the $450 price is pretty spicy but understandable. e: Going from 8 to 12 cores doesn't really do anything for gaming and the clock speed difference between the 5800X and 5900X is 0.1, so that leaves the architecture improvements that are common across the Zen 3 line. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Oct 8, 2020 21:18
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DrDork posted:Given the 10900k is ~$650, $550 for the 5900X is real good. $800 honestly isn't a bad deal for a 16c part, either, at only a 10%/core premium over the 5900X. 3900x is $399 right now, 3900XT is $429. 3600XT $229, 3600 $179.99. 3700x $279.99. I would buy a zen2 over the zen3 6c/8c at the launch prices if retailers adhere to MSRP. I'll probably wait until early Q2 next year to decide on upgrading from a 3900x. I could use the extra single threaded performance, and I regularly do max out all 12 cores. It's just hard to justify the price when I'm not really using my desktop for work right now. Khorne fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Oct 8, 2020 21:22
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Buying now vs. later is always about if your current PC is doing the job or not. Mine is starting to eat poo poo with its old i5, so hypothetical 2021 better deals don't really help my PC in the near future. If it was meaningfully better I'd just ride it out until Zen 4 or whatever.
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Oct 8, 2020 21:24
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sean10mm posted:edit: A fair amount of the 5800X leaks had the thing at 5ghz all core, which we now know is fairly significantly above what the advertised clocks are. Pretty possible those were high OC stability runs from board partners with chillers. Who knows until we see reviews, but AMDs own marketing numbers today had the 4.9Ghz (extremely rare single core boost) 5950X only slightly ahead of a 10900k at 1080p. I don't think it is likely the 5800X will get there... and even if it did, the 10850k is there and is the same price+available today. The pricing has turned this from an extreme AMD dunk to a mild AMD dunk, imo. Which is of course exactly what AMD wants, really. This aint a charity. As always, wait for reviews folks.
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Oct 8, 2020 21:26
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sean10mm posted:I mean, at least 1 leaked gaming benchmark had the 5800X beat the 10900K handily. If that holds true (or is even in the ballpark) the $450 price is pretty spicy but understandable. Which one? The ones I saw in the presentation were all 10900k vs 5900X and 10700k vs 5800X. The 5800X beating the 10900k at all, let alone handily, doesn't make any real sense given that the 5900X vs 10900k benches were all pretty close with a few exceptions, and the 5800X is slower. Cygni posted:The pricing has turned this from an extreme AMD dunk to a mild AMD dunk, imo. Which is of course exactly what AMD wants, really. This aint a charity. As always, wait for reviews folks. Yeah, I agree that that was the point: AMD doesn't have to prove themselves anymore and convince people to give them a try with lowball pricing. Now they just have to stay slightly ahead of Intel in price:performance, which means rising prices until Intel decides to start chopping. DrDork fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Oct 8, 2020 21:27
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i'm waiting for AM5, and so this remark doesnt really apply to anybody buying zen3 i guess but: not having to basically 100% buy a new mobo to upgrade your cpu is a cost i consider between the two companies E: actually, because of what I just said its entirely possible one of these chips DOES end up in my AM4 mobo/rig that i have- most likely as a used chip some time down the road
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Oct 8, 2020 21:34
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Why not just make the 5700 a 7 core processor, so as not to stomp all over the 5800?
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Oct 8, 2020 21:38
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DrDork posted:the 10700k should be a good bit faster than the 5600X in basically all cases, though it uses more power. Gaming is a pretty big use case where they will probably be even.
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Oct 8, 2020 21:40
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Inept posted:Gaming is a pretty big use case where they will probably be even.
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Oct 8, 2020 21:46
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Man those prices are obscene
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Oct 8, 2020 21:54
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3peat posted:Man those prices are obscene It's a $50 markup from the Zen 2 release prices.
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Oct 8, 2020 21:55
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sean10mm posted:It's a $50 markup from the Zen 2 release prices.
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Oct 8, 2020 22:07
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sean10mm posted:It's a $50 markup from the Zen 2 release prices. It's true for the 5900x and 5950x, sort of. There were retailers who were selling below MSRP for both of them at their respective launches. Although 3950x launched many months later and 3900x had no supply for months. I sold my wraith prism for $40 and got my CPU for $430 after microcenter discounts. I effectively paid $390 for a 3900x within a few weeks of a launch. Even if the 5900x has similar discounts, it'd cost $480. But honestly, the 5900x and 5950x are going to have premium prices because they have no competition at all. It's the 6c/8c pricing that is the issue, because intel is giving more perf/$ than those MSRPs. Khorne fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Oct 8, 2020 22:08
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My brother got a 2700X last year for $150 from Microcenter. I wonder if it'll go even lower this year.
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Oct 8, 2020 22:12
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teagone posted:My brother got a 2700X last year for $150 from Microcenter. I wonder if it'll go even lower this year. I think Microcenter isnt stocking any 2XXX series parts anymore. They do still have the 3200G/3400G which are Zen+, though. e: they also dont seem to be stocking the 3100/3300 which is strange. That $150 deal for a 2700X is still not a bad deal today. I guess with the 3600 at $179 -$20 board credit deal that Microcenter has would be what most people should get anyway now, but still. Cygni fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Oct 8, 2020 22:22
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3peat posted:Man those prices are obscene When you've got the best, you get to raise prices. On the other hand, this has cemented my decision to just buy a R7 3700X, which is good enough for me, cheaper, and available now. Now, to see if retailers have sales to clear out inventory...
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Oct 8, 2020 22:42
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sean10mm posted:It's a $50 markup from the Zen 2 release prices. Its 100 bucks like I posted earlier. You don't get to compare vs 3600x and 3800x because the base SKUs are not available to buy.
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Oct 8, 2020 22:48
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FuturePastNow posted:When you've got the best, you get to raise prices. So before I was buying low tier sub $300 Intel CPUs and over clocking the snot out of them. Almost sounds like this might actually not change.
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Oct 8, 2020 23:41
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Does this mean 3600s will be on fire sale? In a bit?
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Oct 9, 2020 00:09
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It's me. I'm the one who's bummed about the 5900X not coming with a wraith prism.
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Oct 9, 2020 00:16
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mdxi posted:It's me. I'm the one who's bummed about the 5900X not coming with a wraith prism. I will sell you mine when I buy a 5600 and we will both win
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Oct 9, 2020 00:22
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Gamers Nexus just got the latest AMD product, delivered today: https://twitter.com/GamersNexus/status/1314338892355694599 It is the AMD branded mountain bike.
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Oct 9, 2020 00:29
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Vir posted:Gamers Nexus just got the latest AMD product, delivered today: https://twitter.com/GamersNexus/status/1314338892355694599 It is the AMD branded mountain bike. I hope he doesn’t kill himself.
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Oct 9, 2020 00:33
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Subjunctive posted:I hope he doesn’t kill himself. I don't know if this is a joke about AMD or Steve but he has a secondary youtube channel and about half the videos were related to mountain biking last I checked.
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Oct 9, 2020 00:37
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Regrettable posted:I don't know if this is a joke about AMD or Steve but he has a secondary youtube channel and about half the videos were related to mountain biking last I checked. It's a recognition of the fact that it's a $300 mountain bike, which all but requires the bike to be basically trash. So if Steve tries to do any real mountain biking with it like he normally does, it could end...poorly. (of course Steve isn't an idiot and no doubt already knows this and won't kill himself, but still)
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Oct 9, 2020 00:40
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Yeah, some swag-grade bike detonating under him is what I’m worried about.
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Oct 9, 2020 00:41
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Oct 9, 2020 00:46
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19% IPC and a clock boost isn’t bad!
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Oct 9, 2020 00:48
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Steve said in a recent video that he spends almost 100% of his spare time mountain biking so I can't wait for him to tear that garbage apart in his review. On topic, I really goddamn want a 5950x to replace my 5.1 9900k but I know my resell value must be in the shitter now
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Oct 9, 2020 00:50
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punk rebel ecks posted:Isn't Zen 4 suppose to be the "big" upgrade? Yes, new silicon node. Zen 3 is using the same node and IO, mainly moving to 8 cores per CCX instead of 4, it seems like.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Isn't Zen 4 suppose to be the "big" upgrade? By AMD's determination, they considered Zen->Zen2 an evolution step in the actual architectural design of the cores (obviously everything else was changed), Zen 3 the big arch leap forward, and Zen 4 is another evolution. But like Vir pointed out, its moving to a new process and will have a new IO die (with DDR5+PCIe5). The downside is that it wont be around until 2022, and it seems like Zen3+ is real and going to fill the gap.
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Oct 9, 2020 00:57
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Vir posted:Yes, new silicon node. Zen 3 is using the same node and IO, mainly moving to 8 cores per CCX instead of 4, it seems like. For the Intel comparable, Sandy Bridge was a huge architectural jump and Ivy Bridge, even though it was on a new node, was a smaller jump.
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Oct 9, 2020 00:59
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That bike is garbage and I too look forward to hearing his thoughts on it, lol
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Oct 9, 2020 01:02
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Josh Lyman posted:Zen 2 released July 2019 so does that mean Zen 4 won’t come until maybe Jan 2022? I wonder if it’s worth waiting for. If your current PC is good it's worth waiting for. If your current PC is kind of lovely now it's not worth waiting for. This is basically always true. 
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Oct 9, 2020 01:04
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So um dumb question but is there no new mobo architecture?
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I've been watching benchmark videos of a 3080 with the 3700X and using the 30-40 1% FPS as an excuse for why I should get a 5900X. I've even gone as far as convincing myself that I might as well be running a Core 2 Duo at this time. Someone please snap me out of it. The 3700X is clearly more than good enough for gaming... right? RIGHT?Taima posted:So um dumb question but is there no new mobo architecture? Nah all they've done is take existing X570 Mobos and make them work with Zen 3 out of the box while making improvements like removing the chipset fan for better passive cooling.
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Taima posted:So um dumb question but is there no new mobo architecture? Nope, no new motherboards (...yet? but no new boards even rumored at the moment)
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