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Hedgehog Pie posted:I remember reading that because this was around the time where bookies started offering wrestling matches as "novelty bets", they used this opportunity to give Cole the surprise win so everyone backstage could make out with the profits. The booking of the match just beggared belief, it should've been an open and shut feel-good comedy match but they just swerved everyone for no reason. I am one of the vast minority that liked Heel Cole. The Lawler feud went on too long, and Cole should have had his arse handed to him at Wrestlemania. But I liked the Cole Mine. I apologise for my bad wrestling opinions.
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The Cole/Lawler Wrestlemania match was perfect right up to the point where Heel Cole went,"No I win anyway" and then... he just did, and Austin and Lawler were left looking stupid and then Cole the next several months constantly screaming that he beat Lawler at Wrestlemania. Ugghh, it was just so loving stupid. We did get that hilarious visual of Cole's face pressed against his glass cage though, which lead to somebody editing it into the "There's something on the wing!" episode of The Twilight Zone.
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Oct 5, 2020 12:58
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BrigadierSensible posted:I am one of the vast minority that liked Heel Cole. I actually liked a lot of it up until Wrestlemania too so apology accepted. 
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Oct 5, 2020 15:45
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Heel Cole is one of those things that while it got very annoying, it was someone saying kind of funny things about a product that was often not great so it could be very entertaining before getting very horrible, very quickly.
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Oct 5, 2020 15:47
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Heel Cole was at least better than Heel JR
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Seams posted:Heel Cole was at least better than Heel JR Low bar
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Oct 5, 2020 15:51
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Yeah, of all of the storyline heel turns for commentators Heel Cole is probably one of the better ones at least in theory. This doesn't count heel people being commentators like Jesse or Heenan. WWE being WWE, though, they ran that poo poo so hard into the ground so fast that the shows became unbearable to watch because he was just loving screaming bullshit for 3 hours. He probably should have come off of commentary and become a manager at some point instead of ruining commentary for ages.
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Oct 5, 2020 15:57
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The only positive of Heel Cole was that time Mark Henry got annoyed with him on commentary. Henry: What did that have to do with anything, Michael Cole? How was that at all relevant? If you don't have anything intelligent to say then don't say anything. Cole: Yes sir.
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Oct 5, 2020 16:24
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Having a single person push their heel act to 11 for the entirety of a broadcast was unbearable.
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DeathChicken posted:The only positive of Heel Cole was that time Mark Henry got annoyed with him on commentary. lol when was this
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:lol when was this It was around November or December of 2011 on a random SmackDown. Daniel Bryan was in a match against Big Show, who was in a feud with Mark Henry near the end of his WHC run. He came out to do commentary for the match, Cole wouldn’t shut the gently caress up and he started blathering about a hypothetical match between Bryan and Hornswoggle, and asked Henry for his opinion on it.
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Oct 5, 2020 19:52
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I can not accept anyone saying they liked Heel Cole. It started with the first NXT episode, February 23 2010, and didn't end until Lawler's heart attack on September 11 2012. It took a few months for his shtick to move up from NXT to the main roster, but once it was there it was all you'd hear, all night, every night. Every so often there'd be something entertaining about him making GBS threads on a poo poo product, but otherwise it's just Cole screaming Vince's horrible words over anything you were trying to enjoy. It rendered every show from that era completely unwatchable and went on forever.
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Xerzes posted:I can not accept anyone saying they liked Heel Cole. It started with the first NXT episode, February 23 2010, and didn't end until Lawler's heart attack on September 11 2012. It took a few months for his shtick to move up from NXT to the main roster, but once it was there it was all you'd hear, all night, every night. Every so often there'd be something entertaining about him making GBS threads on a poo poo product, but otherwise it's just Cole screaming Vince's horrible words over anything you were trying to enjoy. It rendered every show from that era completely unwatchable and went on forever. 
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Oct 5, 2020 21:59
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It was fine if you only watched NXT like the absolute psycho that was 2010/2011 karmicknight.
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I’ve hardly watched any WCW. Outside of the Owen tribute match with Benoit, what were Bret’s best matches in his time there?
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britishbornandbread posted:I’ve hardly watched any WCW. Outside of the Owen tribute match with Benoit, what were Bret’s best matches in his time there? There weren't many to be honest. I think he had some decent matches with DDP, Booker T, and Ric Flair. I know his feud with Sting was a major disappointment.
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britishbornandbread posted:I’ve hardly watched any WCW. Outside of the Owen tribute match with Benoit, what were Bret’s best matches in his time there? The Flair match from Souled Out is really the only other one worth seeking out. He has lots of funny promos about his groin injury during his US title run though.
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Bret was an average promo, and is quite a dour man in real life, but no one has ever done a better interview than the El Dandy one. I laugh just thinking about it.
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“Maybe you don’t even have a groin”
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Did Bret ever go heel (with Canadians?). I always loved the   feuds, they made buildings go nuclear. No way any of that poo poo would fly these days in the trump era sadly
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Hirez posted:Did Bret ever go heel (with Canadians?). I always loved the Talking about his WCW run? I think Bret was retired when Lance Storm started his Canadian stable.
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Hirez posted:Did Bret ever go heel (with Canadians?). I always loved the Well he was heel in the in the Hart Foundation up until 88 and he was heel off and on in WCW but that's about it
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Have there ever been any examples of the "singles title changes hands in a tag team/multiman tag matches" thing actually being good & making sense & not just feeling like Vince Russo showing poo poo at the wall? I'm sure there must be but the era they happened the most was one when I really wasn't following wrestling closely
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Gavok posted:Just from the first twenty years of stuff... lmao fuckin WWF/E
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how has there not been a ladder match with a literal brass ring as the object to be retrieved yet?
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The gimmick they hang the belts on nowadays is literally a huge brass ring with a WWE logo on it
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JOHN CENA posted:how has there not been a ladder match with a literal brass ring as the object to be retrieved yet? gcw did a "grab the brass ring" ladder match last year at a janela branded show
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Gavok posted:- WM10: The whole thing was about building on the Bret vs. Owen feud, which went on until... man, I don't even remember. Did they ever really have a true blowoff? Owen was constantly involved in Bret's wrestling life until Owen gave Shawn a concussion; then Owen moved on to feuding with him and teaming with Davey. When Bret returned, he was obsessed with Austin until he formed the Hart Foundation. At Survivor Series '94, Owen helped Backlund get the title from Bret, and then... ? https://www.cagematch.net/?id=91&nr=16&page=2 This seems to imply the 3/13/95 Raw had their last true definitive finish, which Bret won.
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It's sad that Owen had a really good 1994, and yet by Wrestlemania XI he's in a random (though not necessarily terrible) midcard tag team with a post-burial Yokozuna.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:It's sad that Owen had a really good 1994, and yet by Wrestlemania XI he's in a random (though not necessarily terrible) midcard tag team with a post-burial Yokozuna. For just a moment I read this in a way you didn't mean it.
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Lamuella posted:For just a moment I read this in a way you didn't mean it. Weekend at Yoko's?
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Weekend at Yoko's? I mean, I've heard of carrying a guy, but this is ridiculous
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Hedgehog Pie posted:It's sad that Owen had a really good 1994, and yet by Wrestlemania XI he's in a random (though not necessarily terrible) midcard tag team with a post-burial Yokozuna. I consider Owen the MVP of 1994. Granted it was a mostly bad year but he played the HELL out of his spiteful little brother gimmick, as well as, you know, wrestling in one of the greatest matches in WWF history.
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oh yea, I think Owen could have been greater than Bret - I always loved him more, but I was also a peak Bret mark man what could have been...
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Red posted:Did they ever really have a true blowoff? Owen was constantly involved in Bret's wrestling life until Owen gave Shawn a concussion; then Owen moved on to feuding with him and teaming with Davey. When Bret returned, he was obsessed with Austin until he formed the Hart Foundation. At Survivor Series '94, Owen helped Backlund get the title from Bret, and then... ? Well it wasn't a match, but I think the true-blowoff to the feud was the absolutely loving incredible promo that Bret Hart (yes, a Bret Hart promo!) did to reform the Hart Foundation in 1997. Instead of fighting his brother, he patched things up with him, and it really got the "Heel in America, Face in Canada" angle going which is one of my all time favorites. Look, basically I'll take any excuse to post this, okay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHvbjokBVM8
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"Yeah U-S-A  " is Bret's 1997 run wrapped up in two glorious seconds
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Jerusalem posted:Well it wasn't a match, but I think the true-blowoff to the feud was the absolutely loving incredible promo that Bret Hart (yes, a Bret Hart promo!) did to reform the Hart Foundation in 1997. Instead of fighting his brother, he patched things up with him, and it really got the "Heel in America, Face in Canada" angle going which is one of my all time favorites. The Owen/Davey match in Germany is so loving good and leads up to this, which is probably one of my favorite wrestling moments. It all feels so wrapped in actual reality that it has a weight to it, because of course we'd all seen them fighting each other for no real reason for years and years in the WWF. Just simple, solid storytelling.
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The look to camera Bret gives at the end is so amazing. It's half "gently caress you!" and half,"I loving got away with it, I got everything I wanted" and I love it so much. Eddie Kingston paying tribute to it on a recent Dynamite was the best.
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The best part about the Hart Foundation was that the angle was self sustaining and they could have kept it going indefinitely without getting too stale. They just needed to pop into Canada every once in awhile and the nuclear face heat and the crowd would get riled up on their return too.
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