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randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

Chrpno posted:

It's not that horrible, but here's a homegrown failure, this thread has given me great entertainment so I should contribute. I wondered why the car was getting so hot idling, so I got the water pump out:



next to the new one:



I just hope the fins aren't lodged in a water pipe somewhere....


Kinda related: a friend's 1st gen Kia Optima was overheating at idle. It'd usually run okay (sometimes warm - like 2/3 up the gauge warm) cruising down the road, very little heat from the heater no matter what you did.

Head gasket was fine. Radiator was full of rusty... crap. No thermostat. Slapped a thermostat in, flushed it, same thing, but regulated a little better at highway speeds. Every shop swore up and down the water pumps never go out and aren't normally done with the timing belt (did I mention it was way overdue for a timing belt?).

He finally got the timing belt done, and insisted they do the water pump. The water pump impellers were.... gone. Just tiny nubs of rust. One of the radiator hoses had been replaced with a generic flexible hose, I'm guessing the PO decided to just run straight water in it after the hose replacement? I'm amazed the engine survived that. Last time I talked to him before losing touch, he was still driving it a couple of years later.

randomidiot fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Oct 4, 2020

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PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Combat Theory posted:

New radiator it is :argh:

I think it should go to the thermostat first so you have a chance that they are stuck in there.

Let's not be hasty, now. If the bigger pieces made it to the radiator, they should be confined to the one tank they arrived in, and you should be able to rinse them out of the removed radiator. The rest of it (engine) should be back-flushed to get the tiny bits out.

The alternative to flushing: Try installing a rare-earth magnet through the largest opening in the radiator (top hose, or fill neck) to catch any lingering tiny bits of steel. Secure it with stainless-steel wire and check it daily at first.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Oct 4, 2020

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
Doing some google earth tourism and found this modified RX8 on a tiny island near Turkey:

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!
I recall some goon years ago went to change the water pump on his jeep cherokee with 4.0l straight six and had the same issue. Might have even been in this thread.

But in fairness, water pumps on those engines were probably only put on "just because everyone else uses one too".

Chrpno
Apr 17, 2006

Good idea with the magnets, but it's running like a dream now and I live in pretty much the hottest place on earth. It's only a cheap convertible so I'll sit tight and hope 16 years of corrosion have done their job.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


STR posted:

Kinda related: a friend's 1st gen Kia Optima was overheating at idle. It'd usually run okay (sometimes warm - like 2/3 up the gauge warm) cruising down the road, very little heat from the heater no matter what you did.

Head gasket was fine. Radiator was full of rusty... crap. No thermostat. Slapped a thermostat in, flushed it, same thing, but regulated a little better at highway speeds. Every shop swore up and down the water pumps never go out and aren't normally done with the timing belt (did I mention it was way overdue for a timing belt?).

He finally got the timing belt done, and insisted they do the water pump. The water pump impellers were.... gone. Just tiny nubs of rust. One of the radiator hoses had been replaced with a generic flexible hose, I'm guessing the PO decided to just run straight water in it after the hose replacement? I'm amazed the engine survived that. Last time I talked to him before losing touch, he was still driving it a couple of years later.

Interestingly, I was told by the internet (here, probably) that I should do the water pump on our Kia Spectra5 when I changed the timing belt. I elected not to at that time (first time it needed to be changed), but I absolutely understand why you might want to, given where it is. It's a mightaswell, like doing the clutch if you have the trans out, even if it's not strictly necessary.

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
In my experience water pumps tend not to last as long as two timing belts.

CarForumPoster posted:

The outlet of the water pump goes directly to the radiator, yea?

Usually the radiator goes directly to the water pump inlet.

Ferremit
Sep 14, 2007
if I haven't posted about MY LANDCRUISER yet, check my bullbars for kangaroo prints

Factory water pump in my landcruiser made it to 300k kms and was still going, juuuust starting to get a bit of a rumble in the bearing when I did the timing belt for the second time.

Bought and fitted another genuine with genuine coolant after that!

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Ferremit posted:

Factory water pump in my landcruiser
Excuse me sir/ma'am, no cheating

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!

Ferremit posted:

Factory water pump in my landcruiser made it to 300k kms and was still going, juuuust starting to get a bit of a rumble in the bearing when I did the timing belt for the second time.

Bought and fitted another genuine with genuine coolant after that!

No need to check your bullbar for Kangaroo prints today :v:

BigPaddy
Jun 30, 2008

That night we performed the rite and opened the gate.
Halfway through, I went to fix us both a coke float.
By the time I got back, he'd gone insane.
Plus, he'd left the gate open and there was evil everywhere.


Darchangel posted:

Interestingly, I was told by the internet (here, probably) that I should do the water pump on our Kia Spectra5 when I changed the timing belt.

I had an Alfa 156 that needed the timing belt and everything I read said I should change the water pump and a few other things to the later model year parts due to the older ones failing. Pulled the water pump out and yep it was the old plastic one and was already sticking. I mean it was an Alfa so I was just prolonging the inevitable.

Chrpno
Apr 17, 2006

Oh by the way, after the water pump fixing and everything else, I dropped a screw down the back of the gearbox firewall. Got underneath and started groping around, hmm there's something in the frame, feels like oily grass and sticks? Lemme pull some out... ohh it's a feather... ohhh it's a whole goddam dead bird jammed up in there. Gross. RIP little tweeter

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


I guess it waited just a little to long before taking flight.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug
Maybe some cat's lunch that they didn't finish.

dpack_1
Mar 23, 2009

Let another's wounds be your warning

Chrpno posted:

Oh by the way, after the water pump fixing and everything else, I dropped a screw down the back of the gearbox firewall. Got underneath and started groping around, hmm there's something in the frame, feels like oily grass and sticks? Lemme pull some out... ohh it's a feather... ohhh it's a whole goddam dead bird jammed up in there. Gross. RIP little tweeter



I did the same with a 'weird rattle in the front' of my '94 Mitsu Diamante YEARS ago.

It wasn't a loose bolt or nut or 10mm socket, it was a sun-dried frog rattling between the bumper and radiator.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

Darchangel posted:

Interestingly, I was told by the internet (here, probably) that I should do the water pump on our Kia Spectra5 when I changed the timing belt. I elected not to at that time (first time it needed to be changed), but I absolutely understand why you might want to, given where it is. It's a mightaswell, like doing the clutch if you have the trans out, even if it's not strictly necessary.

My rule of thumb is if it's an interference engine or timing belt driven pump, the water pump gets changed with the timing belt, full stop. It's usually enough of a PITA to get at a timing belt on a FWD car that I do it as a "while I'm in here" job. Like the clutch when the trans is out, unless the clutch is already new. Or the rear crank seal when doing a clutch job.

I want to say back then Kia said the water pump was supposed to be good for 100k, while the timing belt was... 50-60k? I just googled a bit on the timing belt service, and found a bunch of forum posts saying the water pumps weren't normally included as part of the timing belt service back then (on the 1st gen Optima anyway), and that some Kia dealers didn't even keep them on the shelf.

Ferremit
Sep 14, 2007
if I haven't posted about MY LANDCRUISER yet, check my bullbars for kangaroo prints

wesleywillis posted:

No need to check your bullbar for Kangaroo prints today :v:

No need to check- The bar is brand spanking new after the crash. Only had it for two weeks now. Still hasnt eaten its first kangaroo.

RIP first ARB bullbar. 14 Kangaroos and one 2000 Nissan Pulsar. You did well.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/701265871317762110/763788407238950922/DASH_360_3.mp4

Fifty Three
Oct 29, 2007

I am intensely disappointed that this does not have sound.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Fifty Three posted:

I am intensely disappointed that this does not have sound.

the original did, it's a whole thing getting them to have audio too and imbedded so anyway:
https://www.reddit.com/r/instantkarma/comments/j75kzp/someones_dad_is_gonna_be_pissed/

Astonishing Wang
Nov 3, 2004
"Can he even drive without his radiator?"

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
That frame did not enjoy itself.

Edit: V It looks like oil and coolant. If he's lucky it's just the oil pan, but that's a hefty chunk of something that falls out. I don't know what BMW pans are made of, but most I've seen from other cars are nothing more than stamped steel.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.
That's the oil pan ripped off, right? I can't imagine coolant looking like that unless it was thirty years old and rusty (not out of the question, I guess) and if it were coolant there should be at least some steam.

Chrpno
Apr 17, 2006

Ehh just back it up and drive it home. As they say in Nascar, "if the pistons still got heat, no need to leave your seat"

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Godholio posted:

That frame did not enjoy itself.

Edit: V It looks like oil and coolant. If he's lucky it's just the oil pan, but that's a hefty chunk of something that falls out. I don't know what BMW pans are made of, but most I've seen from other cars are nothing more than stamped steel.

If memory serves, the oil & transmission pans are cast aluminum. Judging by his flailing away at the gearshift lever, I'm guessing he beached the transmission.


(edit) Wrong thread VVVV

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Oct 10, 2020

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Pomp and Circumcized
Dec 23, 2006

If there's one thing I love more than GruntKilla420, it's the Queen! Also bacon.

PainterofCrap posted:

If memory serves, the oil & transmission pans are cast aluminum. Judging by his flailing away at the gearshift lever, I'm guessing he beached the transmission.

Could get another 100 miles out of it with some JB-Weld.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:


Owns. Would mow my lawn every day of the year with that, including Christmas.

Joe Mama
May 10, 2008

Why would you post this here!? This thing kicks rear end!

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting


That's definitely an awesome thing

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

That's amazing. I would sneer at my neighbors as I cut my grass with that.

Ed: A guy called Jeep2003 made it, he seems to have some really amazing stuff on his channel.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_jWh_ADNe4KmJTQprRPseg

Pigsfeet on Rye fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Oct 11, 2020

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

This owns, even the little details on the engine are great

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

BOOTY-ADE posted:

This owns, even the little details on the engine are great

The name is a problem. I'd give it a pass if it was old but it's new.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

WTF this is so, so, so in the wrong thread. Howo n earth could anyone think this is horrible?!?!

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

WTF this is so, so, so in the wrong thread. Howo n earth could anyone think this is horrible?!?!

No dead man switch. :colbert:

It is very pretty though.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



My issue with it would be it would look terrible and sad covered with grass clippings

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter
I just want one person to agree that the picture of a native chief and the name lil scalper is hosed up.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

WTF this is so, so, so in the wrong thread. Howo n earth could anyone think this is horrible?!?!

It's not, I just had no where else to post it. Like all the "ZOMG this is a cool thing" threads get no traffic, and i knew you people would appreciate this mowing marvel.

Much like the Antifoodporn thread, I feel like this is the place to post extremely cool but wild stuff too.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


StormDrain posted:

I just want one person to agree that the picture of a native chief and the name lil scalper is hosed up.

Agreed. You can lean into 50s aesthetic without leaning into 50s casual racism.

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CommunityEdition
May 1, 2009

StormDrain posted:

I just want one person to agree that the picture of a native chief and the name lil scalper is hosed up.

poo poo, couldn’t read the name. Yeah that’s pretty loving bad.

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