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Flesh Forge posted:how are you getting "that guy supports militias and thinks they are good" from anything I have ever posted? really seriously? people in this forum and especially this thread use this tactic all the time and it's really annoying, it's a crutch used by very stupid people who can't adequately defend their point
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Flesh Forge posted:consider this another way. do you think it is good when media uses the terms "thug" or "animal" to refer to any given black criminal? I refer to the chuds as savages, just out of fair play tossing their own poison back at them 
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Flesh Forge posted:consider this another way. do you think it is good when media uses the terms "thug" or "animal" to refer to any given black criminal? This isn't the same thing. Violent militias are exclusively right wing and luckily laws already constrain violent militias. There are few to no "legitimate" militias operating that would be slurred by changing the working definition of the term vs the various left wing organized groups that could and likely would suffer if all "groups operating in opposition to the state" were able to be stuffed under a legal grab bag term like "domestic terrorism".
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leave aside your views on legality for a minute, talking about cultural connotations here. "legitimate" is immensely loaded also. the point is not (and has never been) that good, righteous militias might be slurred by media's use of this word, it's that among the media's consumers a very large sector will never interpret that word with the same connotations as you. they hear the media saying "the good guys are getting oppressed by the government". the same as they read "a violent thug was fatally wounded in an officer-involved shooting" and hear "a good guy killed a bad guy". media uses these culturally ambiguous words very often because they know you and people with the literal opposite views will take their own meanings from them and nod smugly to themselves.
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Oct 10, 2020 23:36
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I'll be glad to explain all of this to the people pointing their guns at me
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all you have to do is yell OBJECTION like it's a phoenix wright game, don't worry
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Flesh Forge posted:all you have to do is yell OBJECTION like it's a phoenix wright game, don't worry Calling them domestic terrorists though, that'll definitely make them not shoot you Edit: but seriously, I take your point regarding how the media uses language. But once we open the domestic terrorist terminology door it's gonna get used on left wing activists too if only so the media can both sides the poo poo out of things KitConstantine has issued a correction as of 23:46 on Oct 10, 2020 |
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no but it might make tens of millions of americans not think of them as the good guys
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Flesh Forge posted:no but it might make tens of millions of americans not think of them as the good guys The a lot of the kind of people that hear militia and think good guys arent gonna agree that these guys are domestic terrorists anyway
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KitConstantine posted:This isn't the same thing. Violent militias are exclusively right wing and luckily laws already constrain violent militias. There are few to no "legitimate" militias operating that would be slurred by changing the working definition of the term vs the various left wing organized groups that could and likely would suffer if all "groups operating in opposition to the state" were able to be stuffed under a legal grab bag term like "domestic terrorism".
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KitConstantine posted:The a lot of the kind of people that hear militia and think good guys arent gonna agree that these guys are domestic terrorists anyway
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Flesh Forge posted:how are you getting "that guy supports militias and thinks they are good" from anything I have ever posted? really seriously? maybe the fact that you think its wrong to call them terrorists when they're planning terrorist attacks and generally acting like terrorists
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the media are terminal decorum libs so if both antifa/blm and militias get successfully labeled terrorists to them it's mission accomplished
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Rah! posted:maybe the fact that you think its wrong to call them terrorists when they're planning terrorist attacks and generally acting like terrorists ....... how the gently caress did you get the idea that I think it's wrong to call them terrorists? e: gonna be nice and just say PLEASE REVIEW
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Dai dai dai-dai Da-da-da-da dai-dai Da-da-da-da dai-dai MILITIAS!!!! 
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Rah! posted:maybe the fact that you think its wrong to call them terrorists when they're planning terrorist attacks and generally acting like terrorists perfect example of what I was just talking about lol. can you even read? is that a skill you possess?
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Oct 11, 2020 00:18
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we must impotently oppose labeling of right wing groups to prevent crackdowns on left wing groups as if that ever slowed down one bit
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Armed community defense as a principle rejects the idea of a standing militia and individual gun culture poo poo
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this argument is intensely stupid, I can call them terrorists all I want and that won't change the fact that the american public sees them as brave heroes.
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got a new shirt and noticed this when i got home
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Flavius Aetass posted:got a new shirt and noticed this when i got home In the words of Robert Evans "that's a brickin'!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7mRG88KPbA
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Mary Annette posted:Dai dai dai-dai at three I started Sunday school, at ten I got a gun I hope that when I see Antifa that my killshot is fun MILITIAS, MILITIAS
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https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2020/sep/28/nba-finals-marvel-capcom/#c1606625quote:
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this isn't the first time I've seen this, but I still have no idea how any of these people ended up in fighting ga--- oh wait Street Fighter V lol you would think Mortal Kombat, but they tend to stick to themselves or get lost forever in those weird single player modes
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Victory Position posted:you would think Mortal Kombat, but they tend to stick to themselves or get lost forever in those weird single player modes google the character Jax's MK11 Ending. Read the comments. better yet just type Mortal Kombat 11 rant on YouTube. go ahead ill give you a moment
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we live in a world in which hyper violent games are now EssJayDoubley00 propaganda because... some of the characters have vaginas?.. admittedly Jax's MK11 Ending is peak SuccDem fantasy but other than that i dunno
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The last two pages have been a wonderful slap fight, but I'll answer the question around right wing militias and why they openly operate. It's because they are full of cops. That's why. They are already part of the militarised culture of the US. They operate in tandem with the rest of the US state apparatus. They are the most granular most local, most primeval version of the security state you can imagine. poo poo they don't even have badges but they uphold the ideology of the States to the letter. They are true patriots. Forest for the trees etc.
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Race Realists posted:google the character Jax's MK11 Ending. Read the comments. better yet just type Mortal Kombat 11 rant on YouTube. if people could react as fast as they do with getting pissy about "woke" or "ending slavery" in video games, they'd be a hell of a lot better at fighting games also I think now's a good time to bring up Tom Brady, the Mortal Kombat player, mostly because his name is Tom Brady
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I'd really like the people saying "the American Public thinks militia are heroic freedom fighters" to have some kind of actual evidence in hand to support that over "the American Public thinks militia are creepy woods-dwelling racists" which is equally plausible and well-supported
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Race Realists posted:google the character Jax's MK11 Ending. Read the comments. better yet just type Mortal Kombat 11 rant on YouTube. no thanks, i only have so many moments
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CHUDs belong in residential schools at best https://twitter.com/ErikaHa11772363/status/1315075596221771776
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i knew i recognized the tell-tale bipolar booty shake
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KitConstantine posted:Many tens of millions of people are loving racist assholes why the gently caress do they get to define anything?
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Flesh Forge posted:how are you getting "that guy supports militias and thinks they are good" from anything I have ever posted? really seriously? the real issue is that you don't have a point all you've said is that there are a lot of people that think "organized militias" are good guys, like so what, of course there are, it breaks down along ideological grounds like everything else in this stupid red vs blue country. the only material difference is that the power structures, especially at the local level/law enforcement, trend heavily red, so if Clem and Buck and Chuck and a bunch of late 40's fart men show up in camo open carrying, they're allowed to do w/e, even if it's in the books as illegal, because the law is a contrivance to arrest outgroup members of the labor class, minorities, queers, and poor people. the only thing that's going to unseat white men with guns as the defacto good guys regardless of their intentions is the destruction of white supremacy and patriarchy as the pillars of society/culture, and the only that way happens is millions of people dying
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Flesh Forge posted:consider this another way. do you think it is good when media uses the terms "thug" or "animal" to refer to any given black criminal? lol what kind of comparison is that? militias are groups of (mostly) chuds (so, mostly white and racist), that make the conscious decision to get together to play right wing patriot supersoldier, and sometimes to plot the overthrow of the government and maybe create an ethnostate/commit genocide black people on the other hand, are victims of centuries of institutional racism and murder due to nothing but the color of the skin they were born with, at the hands of the kind of people who often join militias its wrong to call back people "thugs" or "animals" because that's racist. It's not wrong to call militia members terrorists, when terrorism is what they're loving doing
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Flesh Forge posted:leave aside your views on legality for a minute, talking about cultural connotations here. "legitimate" is immensely loaded also. the point is not (and has never been) that good, righteous militias might be slurred by media's use of this word, it's that among the media's consumers a very large sector will never interpret that word with the same connotations as you. they hear the media saying "the good guys are getting oppressed by the government". the same as they read "a violent thug was fatally wounded in an officer-involved shooting" and hear "a good guy killed a bad guy". media uses these culturally ambiguous words very often because they know you and people with the literal opposite views will take their own meanings from them and nod smugly to themselves. you honestly think none of us know this? lmao
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Flesh Forge posted:....... how the gently caress did you get the idea that I think it's wrong to call them terrorists? maybe it was your posts where you were arguing that it doesnt make sense to call them terrorists because they themselves and their grandmas and their pet hamsters dont consider them to be terrorists (what the gently caress do you call a plot to kidnap a governor, if not terrorism?), that gave me that idea lol people who aren't chuds/chud adjacent, usually do not have high opinions of militias, especially when they're committing terrorist acts. Who gives a poo poo if biff meatslab from suburban detroit loves them and thinks they're super patriots? also you never answered my question here: Rah! posted:
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