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Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005

But I deconstructed the art form, how does it still exist?!

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Big Mad Drongo
Nov 10, 2006

Alhazred posted:

Both Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons were surprised that that superhero comics continued to be a thing after Watchmen. They both though that Watchmen was the definite word about superheroes because it showed how broken the idea was. But instead both DC and Marvel just copied the dark and gritty aesthetic.

Performance Artist Shocks U.S. Out Of Apathetic Stupor

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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moore is right about comics, despite the decades-long attempts by the comics media to find a way of misquoting him that proves him wrong once and for all

quote:

MOORE: I’m not so interested in comics anymore, I don’t want anything to do with them.

I had been doing comics for 40-something years when I finally retired. When I entered the comics industry, the big attraction was that this was a medium that was vulgar, it had been created to entertain working class people, particularly children. The way that the industry has changed, it’s ‘graphic novels’ now, it’s entirely priced for an audience of middle class people. I have nothing against middle class people but it wasn’t meant to be a medium for middle aged hobbyists. It was meant to be a medium for people who haven’t got much money.

...

DEADLINE: You said you feel responsible for how comics have changed, why?

MOORE: It was largely my work that attracted an adult audience, it was the way that was commercialized by the comics industry, there were tons of headlines saying that comics had ‘grown up’. But other than a couple of particular individual comics they really hadn’t.

This thing happened with graphic novels in the 1980s. People wanted to carry on reading comics as they always had, and they could now do it in public and still feel sophisticated because they weren’t reading a children’s comic, it wasn’t seen as subnormal. You didn’t get the huge advances in adult comic books that I was thinking we might have. As witnessed by the endless superhero films…

also

quote:

He’s also not a fan of the current UK or U.S. political regimes, particularly Donald Trump, or “National Socialist satsuma”, as Moore refers to him.

lol

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...
Was it Moore - or another major comics writer - who said that comics could be about anything (crime, romance, historical, drama ...) but instead they're largely about lycra clad fascist musclemen?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

josh04 posted:

you should read From Hell

from hell rules, its highly recommended for anyone with a bad case of Epstein brain

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i cant tell if you all thought i was referencing the comic or if you just used my comment as an excuse to talk about alan moore

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 12 hours!

nonathlon posted:

Was it Moore - or another major comics writer - who said that comics could be about anything (crime, romance, historical, drama ...) but instead they're largely about lycra clad fascist musclemen?

I mean comics literally did until the Comics Code caused a mass extinction event of genres outside of superheroes and whatever would pass for them

Action Jacktion
Jun 3, 2003

Alhazred posted:

Both Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons were surprised that that superhero comics continued to be a thing after Watchmen. They both though that Watchmen was the definite word about superheroes because it showed how broken the idea was. But instead both DC and Marvel just copied the dark and gritty aesthetic.

I don't think they believed Watchmen would end superheroes, they thought superheroes were on the decline already and Watchmen was commentary on a dying genre.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I mean comics literally did until the Comics Code caused a mass extinction event of genres outside of superheroes and whatever would pass for them

It also led to the enduring primacy of the Archieverse, which itself led inevitably to gritty Archie runs and Sonic The Hedgehog comics, much to the delight of the largest, dampest eternal children. This successful grasp at nerd money left on the table may have also encouraged that Flintstones comic where Fred has ptsd from all of the genociding he did during the Cro-Magnon Pogroms. I have no further point here, because it’d mean reading some of these comics to form a better opinion, and I don’t want to.

mysterious frankie has issued a correction as of 17:12 on Oct 11, 2020

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


mysterious frankie posted:

This successful grasp at nerd money left on the table may have also encouraged that Flintstones comic where Fred has ptsd from all of the genociding he did during the Cro-Magnon Pogroms. I have no further point here, because it’d mean reading some of these comics to form a better opinion, and I don’t want to.

lol what flintstones is probably one of the greatest (and certainly most cspam) comics ever made, even that out-of-context page you're thinking of is black humor at fred's expense for being an imperial tool


DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
also those comics are in general just funny and good. like every page has something hilarious on it that simultaneously makes you feel like absolute trash. it owns.

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


poo poo POST MALONE posted:

also those comics are in general just funny and good. like every page has something hilarious on it that simultaneously makes you feel like absolute trash. it owns.

yeah

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
I must read this entire comic and all similar comics. What is it called?

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Tubgoat posted:

I must read this entire comic and all similar comics. What is it called?

it's the flintstones

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
Just "The Flintstones"? Not "a People's Pre-History of Bedrock" or something?

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

Tubgoat posted:

Just "The Flintstones"? Not "a People's Pre-History of Bedrock" or something?

the first one is just "The Flintstones Vol. 1" and the second volume is subheaded as "Bedrock Bedlam".

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

type flintstones comic into google and press enter

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Tubgoat posted:

I must read this entire comic and all similar comics. What is it called?

the author's name is mark russell and he just finished an original miniseries called Billionaire Island



Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

the flintstones comic felt like it was engineered to be posted on twitter i cant remember anything that happens except for all the times people go off about late capitalism in bedrock

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.
While the cavemen make some points, I’m still not getting the allure.

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

Bro Dad posted:

the author's name is mark russell and he just finished an original miniseries called Billionaire Island





ok i just read all of this in like 20 minutes and its way more fun

OctoberCountry
Oct 9, 2012

Farm Frenzy posted:

the flintstones comic felt like it was engineered to be posted on twitter i cant remember anything that happens except for all the times people go off about late capitalism in bedrock

You pretty much nailed it

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 12 hours!
Wilma talking about her art and how it's inspired by her childhood and how Fred starts to understand her more through it is pretty memorable

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.



lol

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Ghost Leviathan posted:

I mean comics literally did until the Comics Code caused a mass extinction event of genres outside of superheroes and whatever would pass for them

Outside of the US there's also few superhero comics. I know that people have repeatedly tried to publish american superhero comics in Norway, but they just don't sell.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

disney comics being super popular in europe to the point that they basically invented the entire donald duck extended universe is extremely funny to me since scrooge mcduck is a household name because of the tv show that was based on the comics but nobody in the united states has any notion the tv show was based on anything and probably dont even realize there is such a thing as disney comics

on the complete flip side in the korean market the new cartoon is literally just marketed as the adventures of donald ducks family and no it doesnt sound any less ridiculous in korean

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 12 hours!
It's also kinda nuts how influential the old comics are; Indiana Jones' famous cold open sequence is literally based on a Scrooge McDuck comic.

While the new show is just referencing the comics wildly, including characters that have never shown up in English media like Fethry


Alhazred posted:

Outside of the US there's also few superhero comics. I know that people have repeatedly tried to publish american superhero comics in Norway, but they just don't sell.

While on the other hand The Phantom routinely outsells Marvel and DC combined in Australia

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
New cartoon being Ducktales 2017? If so, their marketing is accurate and the show is extremely good and you should watch it if you like excellent cartoons and either can do so without giving Disney money or don't care.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

I yabba dabba don’t think so, Tim.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

mysterious frankie posted:

I yabba dabba don’t think so, Tim.

He tried. :shrug: If everything else is a family-friendly deconstruction of our dumbass system(s) of oppression, it is wholly forgiveable.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1314068252541288448

The Night The Reindeer Died

Zvahl
Oct 14, 2005

научный кот
twelve dark twenty five

drjuggalo
Jul 26, 2014
the hurt stocking

Meat Miracle
Oct 24, 2010
come and sleigh

Serf
May 5, 2011


walton goggins makes that movie look actually watchable

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Some Guy TT posted:

disney comics being super popular in europe to the point that they basically invented the entire donald duck extended universe is extremely funny to me since scrooge mcduck is a household name because of the tv show that was based on the comics but nobody in the united states has any notion the tv show was based on anything and probably dont even realize there is such a thing as disney comics

Yeah, Donald Duck is insanely popular outside the U.S.:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaldism

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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this is the most relevant CSPAM Donald Duck content.

Zvahl
Oct 14, 2005

научный кот

hook line and succor imo

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Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I mean comics literally did until the Comics Code caused a mass extinction event of genres outside of superheroes and whatever would pass for them

note this didn't happen in japan and as a result manga has thousands of genres to choose from

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