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Der Shovel posted:Even if the vast majority do survive, there are segments of the population where the odds are much lower, and we need to protect those segments the best we can. I honestly don't know what the solution and answer is, because this isn't my area of expertise, but I am pretty sure that for instance having bars stop alcohol service at 2AM (instead of 4 AM or whatever the normal last call is), like Finland are now advicing, isn't it. This is incorrect. Starting on Thursday, the general directive has been that bars end serving at midnight and close at 1 o'clock. And starting today the areas where COVID cases are on rise (there's currently six of them, including Helsinki) have stricter directives - alcohol serving ends at 10pm and bars close at 11pm. Additionally they can take in only 50% of normal allowed clients. Bar owners have been screaming murder for this, saying there is no evidence that bars spread the disease. I think there is evidence, but OTOH it looks like much of this is happening among students who generally are tight on money, so getting wasted at a pre-party at someone's home, then going to a bar, and then going back to someone's home for after party is the usual modus operandi. Shortening the open hours of bars means then that people who want to party will spend more of that time at home conditions, where space is tighter, hygiene worse and people are getting totally wasted if they want. The plus side is that the chance to spread infections to outside groups is smaller, the down side is that the likelihood of everyone at a home party getting the infection is higher. And young people want to party with outsiders, it's the whole point! So you get people thrown out of the bar after which they continue hanging around and figuring where to continue. Government should just drop free beer at your door on Friday night and enforce a curfew so people stay at home and party online. Nenonen fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Oct 11, 2020 |
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Colonel Cancer posted:Hopefully this kills off the restaurant industry for good, best of luck to fellow workers - it's ubi or bust now. Tourism might rebound here by fall 2021, but restaurants in town cities are mega hosed All of the crappy tourist trap restaurants went underwater here in SF within 4 weeks The owner operated restaurants further out in the sticks that serve the local community and actually have loyal patrons are hanging on, but honestly I can't see most of them survive though next fall at this rate There's a subway sandwich shop and a couple other sattelite spots immediately around the hospital in our area, they're doing ok as the hospital hasn't really slowed down for obvious reasons, but outside of those extreme outliers, even the pubs and local places by my house that have commandeered the street parking in front of their establishment to draw in more customers, two have shut down recently I dunno what is happening with the staff at these restaurants, of they're just going to squat in their apartments until 2022 or move elsewhere or what. That second round of stimulus is going to really help prevent the bottom 10% of society uprise in a socialist revolt, not really sure what Trump's endgame is with not negotiating with democrats on this
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Colonel Cancer posted:Hopefully this kills off the restaurant industry for good, best of luck to fellow workers - it's ubi or bust now. Yeah those 'ghost' restaurants and 'dark' kitchens are doing a roaring trade rn, there's always a whole bunch of delivery guys on mopeds and bicycles out delivering food in my neighbourhood every night. A purpose-built dark kitchen complex opened up in an old vacant block near my house about a year ago, they just trucked in a whole bunch of portable buildings and filled them with kitchen equipment and now they just make hundreds and hundreds of delivery meals every day. I wouldn't have even known what they did in there except the local paper did an article about them. My local family-owned pizza store had to figure out how to get themselves listed on menulog and ubereats and had a heck of a time getting it right, at one point they posted a message on their homepage saying "We put the wrong prices on the delivery app, please call us before ordering" and their delivery charges keep changing There was an article way back in May about how Chuck E. Cheese had changed their name to ‘Pasqually’s Pizza & Wings’ on the delivery app so they could keep on truckin' without people being weirded out about ordering Chuck E. Cheese home delivery https://www.kron4.com/entertainment-news/chuck-e-cheese-changes-name-to-pasquallys-pizza-wings-on-delivery-app/ Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Oct 11, 2020 |
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Hadlock posted:That second round of stimulus is going to really help prevent the bottom 10% of society uprise in a socialist revolt, not really sure what Trump's endgame is with not negotiating with democrats on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lkg_8ly1Tk
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Who needs halloween? We have plenty of extra ghosts this year anyway.
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My old school board banned Peanut butter in it's schools because there were enough kids with life-threatening allergies to it. A significant amount of parents flipped out and their totally unironic rallying cry was, "why should my peanut-butter loving child have to give up their favourite spread on their school lunch because your kid might die?" The school board told the parents that it was now policy, and they were not changing it. If they wanted a compromise they could use "Wow Butter" (a safe peanut butter substitute) instead. <Three Months Later> The school board bans Wow Butter because parents were sending their kids to school with regular peanut butter sandwiches and saying it was Wow Butter. This is why you can't ask people to do the right thing, and why you have to force them to do it with real consequences should they try to circumvent the rules. A lockdown isn't going to work unless you actually enforce it to the extent that you're effectively a police state.
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Blistex posted:you're effectively a police state. good thing america is already a police state. just instruct the police to treat everyone like they were black
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Blistex posted:This is why you can't ask people to do the right thing, and why you have to force them to do it with real consequences should they try to circumvent the rules. A lockdown isn't going to work unless you actually enforce it to the extent that you're effectively a police state. To think, this was considered the dystopian path the pandemic could take at the outset. individualism has rotted people's brains out completely
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Lots of lockdowns are working in non failed states that understand the social contract
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Blistex posted:My old school board banned Peanut butter in it's schools because there were enough kids with life-threatening allergies to it. gently caress I hate people
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Blistex posted:My old school board banned Peanut butter in it's schools because there were enough kids with life-threatening allergies to it. I think the problem with peanut butter allergies is that most people with kids today grew up with peanut butter allergies being a 1 in 1,000 kind of thing and it just kind of existed out there as an obscure problem; nowadays 1 in 20 (or whatever) have some peanut reaction and it's everybody's problem I can definitely see a lot of parents rolling their eyes at a peanut butter allergy. I don't have kids yet but I've never met anyone with a peanut allergy, that I'm aware of. Maybe there's a reason why everybody is allergic to peanuts now?
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Now I'm wondering if there are vegans who are peanut allergy deniers.
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Rexxed posted:If everyone locked down for a few weeks it'd be over and repeated lockdowns wouldn't be necessary. If we'd done it in April things could have been back to normal but there's no infrastructure to make that work, an apathetic government that won't set it up, and way too many spoiled "oh no I have to live my life" self important dipshits who won't do it. Absolutely, the time to act was March. What governments did during that time period dertermined everything to follow. So sure, in an ideal world a lockdown is great. But it clearly doesn’t always work as planned. There’s a difference between the perfect scenario and the actual outcome of public policy.
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Rutibex posted:good thing america is already a police state. just instruct the police to treat everyone like they were black Emptyquoting
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has the united stated ever successfully contained an outbreak of anything edit: please do not quote the movie 'outbreak'
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"Being a bootlicker is okay because it makes me feel better and powerful" is the most Boomer Karen energy thing. Jesus Christ most normal people are going to try to beat Corona without resorting to authoritarian methods. I know feeling and being powerless to change other people sucks (especially when the intent is to keep people safe). But you gotta accept that powerlessness or it'll eat you alive. The most you can do for others in a crisis like this is letting go of managing others and leading others by being a good example.
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I mean, I've been managing our household like an authoritarian regime since the pandemic started, and it's worked wonders for me so far.
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Rutibex posted:good thing america is already a police state. just instruct the police to treat everyone like they were black Was thinking more like China's playbook, where people are locked in their apartments, movements monitored, strict curfews, etc...
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Kerning Chameleon posted:I mean, I've been managing our household like an authoritarian regime since the pandemic started, and it's worked wonders for me so far. You live in a Wendy's?
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That Works posted:You live in a Wendy's? "Please sir, this is a heated debate!"
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Jeza posted:candy wrappers full of hand sanitiser and packets of antiseptic wipes Look at Mr. Millionaire over here
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So as we’ve just observed, some CHUDs here just will not, under any circumstances, stop dangerous behaviors—even when their poor choices are pointed out to them. In fact, doing so provokes death threats and “doubling-down.” Studies are beginning to show that these hard-core retards (20% of pop) are responsible for ~80% of the Covid transmission events. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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AARP LARPer posted:So as we’ve just observed, some CHUDs here just will not, under any circumstances, stop dangerous behaviors—even when their poor choices are pointed out to them. In fact, doing so provokes death threats and “doubling-down.” I think the Golgafrinchans were on to something. Can we pack the chuds on a space ark, tell them we are right behind them, and crash them into Neptune or something.
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AARP LARPer posted:
I believe tbut it also terrifies me because anything we do to stop it will feed their CHUD victimization complex. Oh dear.
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Hadlock posted:I think the problem with peanut butter allergies is that most people with kids today grew up with peanut butter allergies being a 1 in 1,000 kind of thing and it just kind of existed out there as an obscure problem; nowadays 1 in 20 (or whatever) have some peanut reaction and it's everybody's problem There's also the problem of what you give the kid instead. It has to be shelf stable for 4 hours, not require reheating, and be something a kid will actually eat. Peanut butter is definitely the cheap and easy option. If the schools provided a healthy lunch for every kid they wouldn't have this problem. Instead a lot of schools want you to pay Chartwells $5 for a hot dog and a mealy apple.
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When my kid went to public school they had a couple tables in the cafeteria labelled "peanut free zone." The allergy kids ate there. It wasn't a big deal and no one ever died. Anything more than that sounds like a dumb overreaction. And sounds absolutely appropriate for a typical school administrator.
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Xenocides posted:I think the Golgafrinchans were on to something. Can we pack the chuds on a space ark, tell them we are right behind them, and crash them into Neptune or something. But then we'll all get covid from unsanitized phones!
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Trump could have saved more lives than Jonas Salk (and make a nice fat profit) if he'd just started wearing and selling MAGA face masks in March.
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Just checking in, the virus is still bad yeah? Are we all gonna die?
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Another Bill posted:I believe tbut it also terrifies me because anything we do to stop it will feed their CHUD victimization complex. Oh dear. Right. And I’m fascinated by the psychological defense-mechanisms involved. In this instance, halloween>pandemic in their minds. How much worse does it need to get for these people to “get” that pandemic>[social event]? Is it even possible for these dimwits to realize that it’s them — they’re the problem.
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smoobles posted:Just checking in, the virus is still bad yeah? Are we all gonna die? 2. Very yes
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smoobles posted:Just checking in, the virus is still bad yeah? Are we all gonna die? posting from the grave in spooktober
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 your poison breath is making the afterlife too loving crowded!
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Nenonen posted:This is incorrect. Starting on Thursday, the general directive has been that bars end serving at midnight and close at 1 o'clock. And starting today the areas where COVID cases are on rise (there's currently six of them, including Helsinki) have stricter directives - alcohol serving ends at 10pm and bars close at 11pm. Additionally they can take in only 50% of normal allowed clients. lol, what's the loving point of this? if you're half-assing measures this much, you might as well open 'er up
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Hadlock posted:I think the problem with peanut butter allergies is that most people with kids today grew up with peanut butter allergies being a 1 in 1,000 kind of thing and it just kind of existed out there as an obscure problem; nowadays 1 in 20 (or whatever) have some peanut reaction and it's everybody's problem Lack of early exposure to specific foods significantly increases the chance of developing an allergy to them.
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AARP LARPer posted:Right. And I’m fascinated by the psychological defense-mechanisms involved. In this instance, halloween>pandemic in their minds. How much worse does it need to get for these people to “get” that pandemic>[social event]? Is it even possible for these dimwits to realize that it’s them — they’re the problem. Thanks to thirty years of idiot propaganda they won't believe it until someone close to them gets a bad case of it. Maybe not even then.
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There is a huge increase in food allergies in western countries. People not exposing their kids to peanuts early on has no doubt contributed but it's a real increase outside of that. We just don't know why yet, though there are plenty of theories ranging from intriguing to foodbabe-level.
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DickParasite posted:Thanks to thirty years of idiot propaganda they won't believe it until someone close to them gets a bad case of it. Maybe not even then. there have been people literally dying to it who denied it to their dying breath
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a look at some history intended to inform about the covid situation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRNkDZy30xU
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GORDON posted:When my kid went to public school they had a couple tables in the cafeteria labelled "peanut free zone." The allergy kids ate there. It wasn't a big deal and no one ever died. Yeah well, probably because people in the US are so drat sue-happy and the law system encourages it with ridiculously high "winnings". So schools would rather play it safe than pay 2.5 million because some kid had an allergic shock and survived with slightly red cheeks or 10x that if it actually dies.
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