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Often Abbreviated posted:it's tangential, but one of the minor things that peeves me about hellworld is how so many of the people providing commentary and context are literal clowns. how anyone you see or hear discussing politics in 2020 is guaranteed to have a tight five they worked up down at the barrel o' laughs I have noticed that too and I can’t help but imagine it’s a side effect of the 2000s where, as succ as they were, comedy programs like Daily Show and The Colbert Report were probably the only mainstream media that didn’t pretend like the W Bush administration wasn’t especially monstrous even for the GOP
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Crane Fist posted:FRIENDSHIP ENDED WITH noam chomsky The only real allies are dead because we can project what we would have wanted from them effortlessly, unlike every actual living person with stakes in the discourse who somehow disappoints by not being the radical action arm of Posting International. People get very mad online when the hyperbole of saying Biden = Trump and there will be a 1:1 equivalency of the two administrations is rightly called out as such. It's just amusing when people who only post try to dissuade anyone else from doing more than posting, I guess to lower the overall amount of effort that is being expended so they comparatively don't feel so bad about doing gently caress all? "Why vote? Politicians are all the same" is the stupidest take in any election year, lol
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The idea that the DNC will somehow self-immolate after a 2020 loss and be reborn as a Marxist Phoenix in 2024 is as far from reality as the notion that any of the Republican losses were going to cause that party to move center/leftward. They will do the exact thing they did this year again in 2024 if it means holding onto control of the party. None of the sinecure positions are threatened by these losses, and the material circumstances don't change for anyone within the DNC, so they'll happily take the L to not have to govern during the worst crisis since the Civil War, and market smart centrism (probably with Buttigieg) as what the country needs in 
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Oct 12, 2020 14:50
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I don't think the Democrats losing in 2020 is going to turn them into Marxists. I think the Democrats losing in 2020 is going to be hilarious and entirely deserved.
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Oct 12, 2020 14:57
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we're all going to be boiled to death by the inaction or lack of appropriate action by the oligarchs and the aristocracy dems eating poo poo in 2020 is funny and will at least keep up the facade that running dogshit candidates has consequences
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Oct 12, 2020 15:02
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Often Abbreviated posted:it's tangential, but one of the minor things that peeves me about hellworld is how so many of the people providing commentary and context are literal clowns. how anyone you see or hear discussing politics in 2020 is guaranteed to have a tight five they worked up down at the barrel o' laughs The Serious Political Media you're only really allowed to choose from a tiny set of orthodox political opinions. If you wanted to hear more about how Liz Warren is the standard bearer for the radical left or what the guys down at the diner in Fucksville Iowa think about Trump, you'll find plenty of traditional pundits. If you want anything else, you're stuck with fringe characters who don't rely on mainstream media to pay their rent.
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Oct 12, 2020 15:13
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Phone posted:dems eating poo poo in 2020 is funny and will at least keep up the facade that running dogshit candidates has consequences This is my point; it doesn't have consequences for the people making that decision to eat poo poo. The consequences are borne by the rest of us- whether you do or don't vote Biden doesn't change the Democrat playbook. No lessons will be learned by the establishment from an insidious hypothetical Bernie Bro who chooses not to vote. They don't have that level of introspection. In their mind, the Bernie Bro IS the problem, and not in the sense of a problem to be solved/worked with but an obstacle to be defeated. It's loving poo poo but it's also poo poo to pretend that the 1 degree or less temperature difference that will result from the Biden admin vs the Trump admin will not make a difference for the planet. We really are in the situation where every little bit helps, everything we do now is for the future (so think of what doing nothing actually does) and quite literally, there isn't time to be selfish about anything. In negotiation you generally go for the furthest most extreme version of what you want, and a mature person will do this with the knowledge they won't get that version. Then it becomes a whittling down of compromises until you're left with something not necessarily ideal- but somehow people can say with a straight face that incrementalism is as bad as accelerationism. It's not enough, but between something and nothing, a smart person will usually take something- and the person who would take nothing is not worth taking seriously, since there's no negative consequence to giving them nothing. It's a difficult situation but nothing of what I've seen proposed is anything approaching a solution.
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Oct 12, 2020 15:22
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Anyone have recommendations for a podcast that's like the early episodes of Champagne Sharks? Less Twitter minutiae and more interviews with HBCU professors. Hell I'll take a history lecture using the work of say CLR James. Just not on YouTube; I dont have the data to stream video.
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:This is my point; it doesn't have consequences for the people making that decision to eat poo poo. The consequences are borne by the rest of us- whether you do or don't vote Biden doesn't change the Democrat playbook. No lessons will be learned by the establishment from an insidious hypothetical Bernie Bro who chooses not to vote. They don't have that level of introspection. In their mind, the Bernie Bro IS the problem, and not in the sense of a problem to be solved/worked with but an obstacle to be defeated. lmao ok whatever nerd
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Oct 12, 2020 15:53
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im no politics pro but i dont get how neither side of the coin is pushing hard for UBI in any form, it seems a good cheat like healthcare
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Oct 12, 2020 15:54
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:This is my point; it doesn't have consequences for the people making that decision to eat poo poo. The consequences are borne by the rest of us- whether you do or don't vote Biden doesn't change the Democrat playbook. No lessons will be learned by the establishment from an insidious hypothetical Bernie Bro who chooses not to vote. They don't have that level of introspection. In their mind, the Bernie Bro IS the problem, and not in the sense of a problem to be solved/worked with but an obstacle to be defeated. Source your quotes
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Oct 12, 2020 15:58
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Honest Thief posted:im no politics pro but i dont get how neither side of the coin is pushing hard for UBI in any form, it seems a good cheat like healthcare Because the point is to finally get people to accept that no one is going to help them and to stop expecting things that make donors mad, just vote
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:This is my point; it doesn't have consequences for the people making that decision to eat poo poo. The consequences are borne by the rest of us- whether you do or don't vote Biden doesn't change the Democrat playbook. No lessons will be learned by the establishment from an insidious hypothetical Bernie Bro who chooses not to vote. They don't have that level of introspection. In their mind, the Bernie Bro IS the problem, and not in the sense of a problem to be solved/worked with but an obstacle to be defeated. Let me put it this way: let's say I go out and rob banks to support my DSA chapter or some other org. That would have an immediate, measurable, positive benefit to socialist organizing. Therefore I should go out and do that, right? It's not like it's going to undermine my goals as an activist or create any problems, right? In essence I don't believe in a scenario where we support the Party leadership electorally and still have any power to change the Party. By all means vote for left-wing Democrats at the local and state level, but do so with the understanding that national leadership is actively hostile to your activism and your candidates, because they are. In short, if you don't support what a candidate is doing then don't vote for them. This isn't hard, and I for one don't want to hear cyber brain genius arguments as to why I should vote for a candidate who's actively hostile to every good thing I've believed in since I was old enough to vote. quote:In negotiation you generally go for the furthest most extreme version of what you want, and a mature person will do this with the knowledge they won't get that version. Then it becomes a whittling down of compromises until you're left with something not necessarily ideal- but somehow people can say with a straight face that incrementalism is as bad as accelerationism.
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Oct 12, 2020 16:12
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Oct 12, 2020 16:19
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my brain is so broken i thought everyone was mad at yung chomsky for being a lib until this post i was thinking he's a pretty weird vguest for virgil's serious talk hour or w/e it's called
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Oct 12, 2020 16:31
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Pirate Jet posted:at the end of the day the question of the 2020 election for people like us is whether you believe liberals or conservatives are better at suppressing leftism, and you only need to look at the recent almost-happened NBA strikes to have your answer. it’s not accelerationism if Biden has all the same positions as Trump but will also make all the liberals who currently are supporting us out of righteous anger immediately pack their poo poo up and go home because they think their job is done yeah, Biden ain't going to do poo poo about the pandemic except encourage mask wearing. Which is good, but is immediately cancelled out if/when he says mask wearing means we can open 'er up now.
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Oct 12, 2020 16:37
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The Democrat Party delenda est
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Oct 12, 2020 16:40
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The rumor right now is that Cuomo is being considered for AG. Cuomo, the guy who sent infected people to nursing homes, gave nursing home execs immunity, and is trying to block de Blasio from closing nonessential businesses in hotspots.
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Oct 12, 2020 16:45
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irt covid19, what will happen when a vaccine comes and people refuse to take it, not like either administration will make a mandate for vaccines
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Oct 12, 2020 16:51
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Man I wish voting took 10 minutes. I spent all last night figuring out who to vote for for my cities rent stabilization board.
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Oct 12, 2020 16:51
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Honest Thief posted:irt covid19, what will happen when a vaccine comes and people refuse to take it, not like either administration will make a mandate for vaccines probably a lot of people will get sick and die op!
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Oct 12, 2020 16:52
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Yadoppsi posted:Anyone have recommendations for a podcast that's like the early episodes of Champagne Sharks? Less Twitter minutiae and more interviews with HBCU professors. Hell I'll take a history lecture using the work of say CLR James. Just not on YouTube; I dont have the data to stream video. the east is a pod, about the moddle east and the balkans, is superb
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:This is my point; it doesn't have consequences for the people making that decision to eat poo poo. The consequences are borne by the rest of us- whether you do or don't vote Biden doesn't change the Democrat playbook. No lessons will be learned by the establishment from an insidious hypothetical Bernie Bro who chooses not to vote. They don't have that level of introspection. In their mind, the Bernie Bro IS the problem, and not in the sense of a problem to be solved/worked with but an obstacle to be defeated. T-man posted:It's so weird to realize all the old, succified radicals, every liberal, and all the ~moderate centrists~ are so loving willfully dense. Like, I radicalized over like 10 years, and seeing people who I once respected in my Dem days spout the same easily countered bullshit year after year is *wild*. Now I mostly feel bad for them constantly getting taken advantage of by grifters and dems. It's gotten hard to argue on the internet (o the horror!) with them now because I know I'm not going to convince them without a long time of one-on-one in person discussion neither of us would really enjoy. Oh look, I'm correct about everything yet again. Fly away yesjoe.
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for the record i always suspected you were right about everything, t-man
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Oct 12, 2020 18:50
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it would actually be extremely funny if, after joe dies from his brain evaporating, a Harris administration mandated covid vaccines under threat of jail time, and then it turned out that the half-baked rushed vaccine actually did give you adult onset autism or something
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:it would actually be extremely funny if, after joe dies from his brain evaporating, a Harris administration mandated covid vaccines under threat of jail time, and then it turned out that the half-baked rushed vaccine actually did give you adult onset autism or something world population force feminized by momala harris's bimboization gas
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Oct 12, 2020 18:57
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i give an extra lol at the thought of negotiation between the broader left and the dem party. what negotiation is happening? what is the left's BATNA? we dont have one, we can't have one until we're organized and galvanized into mass action. our leverage is as a class we strike or loot to gently caress up your economy. that's always been the game. when the democrats arguably reap larger benefits from losing than they do from winning national elections, what leverage could we possibly have in the voting booth?
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Oct 12, 2020 19:05
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I'm a nojoe but this is so embarrassing lol the sooner Virgil is jettisoned from the Chapo world the better
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oh no virg you gotta commit to the bit!! https://mobile.twitter.com/parsonshanged/status/1315686116436176896
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i say swears online posted:oh no virg you gotta commit to the bit!! the walmart devops guy in the replies 
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Oct 12, 2020 19:59
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I said it before I'll say it now: Virgil worst chapo
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*Virgil silence* uuuh hmmm. He's good.
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in the Chapo movie where a (more) bearded, heavily muscled Will is released from maximum security prison and sets about getting the gang back together for one last job, Virgil is the one who doesn't join up because he's switched sides and is much more successful working for the enemy. possibly he redeems himself later, or maybe he stays evil but survives to be the villain in the sequel, you can take it either way
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i'd say liberals and anarchists are extremely mad at virgil, but I don't want to repeat myself
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Judakel posted:i'd say liberals and anarchists are extremely mad at virgil, but I don't want to repeat myself How dare you, *slaps u* I demand restitution 😂😜😱😇😔☀️😏😏😊
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Halloween Jack posted:He's done more for the Democratic Party than any other elected official since 2016, all while being called "Not a real Democrat" and abominated by the Party establishment and all their media surrogates. I always knew he would endorse the Party nominee if he lost, but it's still kind of pathetic. IMO the disturbing thing about it isn't that he endorsed Biden, but the extent to which he's trying to present Biden as some sort of genuine "progressive" and imply that the left is totally winning and doing good. It'd be one thing if he just talked about how we need to beat Trump or whatever, but gaslighting people about what's going on is something else entirely.
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T-man posted:It's by boomers, for boomers. I don't think there's any real point in fighting against it, the revolution will not be won with videos no matter how epic. Yeah, this "left Prager U videos" thing strikes me as someone trying to come up with a way to "do leftism" that doesn't require actually engaging with people. It's a sort of fundamentally liberal mindset that if you just put the ideas out there good things will happen somehow.
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