AvesPKS posted:

I have always wondered how this applies to New Zealand. It's confusing since I was taught in school that American Manifest Destiny was kind of a bad thing.

Personally I think the answer is history. The extent to which you can obscure an origin in the mists of legendry is probably directly proportionate to the extent that that claim be considered 'legitimate', whatever that means.

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The "Glide Path"[edit]
In 1997, Transpower adopted a strategy known internally as “the glide path”, and minimised spending on the grid and renewing assets. The rationale for this strategy was based on the expectation that there would be widespread installation of distributed generation (electricity generated close to where it is used), and that this would significantly reduce the need to expand and renew the grid.[12]

However, by 2003, it had become clear that the glide path strategy was unsustainable. Many of the grid assets were approaching the end of their useful life, and at the same time had to carry higher loads than previously experienced to meet the demands of a growing economy and population. Transpower identified that the grid backbone was nearing its capacity and that investment was needed in many other parts of the grid. The transmission lines into and around Auckland were of particular concern, having remained largely unmodified since the late 1970s while the city's population has doubled. The aging and near-capacity infrastructure has caused several high profile failures, including the 1998 Auckland power crisis, where aging cables caused a cascading failure and blacking out the CBD for five weeks (strictly speaking, this was a distribution system failure, not a transmission failure); the 2006 Auckland Blackout, where a corroded shackle broke and caused a seven-hour outage of the inner city, and an October 2009 incident where a forklift accidentally knocked out power to northern Auckland and the whole of Northland.

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1990s
In 1990, Telecom was sold to two United States-based telecommunications companies, Bell Atlantic and Ameritech, for NZ$4.25 billion.[8] After Telecom was privatized, the Kiwi Share agreement was drawn up, which included a provision that the company retained free local calling for residential customers.[9]

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On 27 June 2006, the company announced that it would voluntarily separate its business into two separate operating business units — Wholesale and Retail.[57] The Government introduced the Telecommunications Amendment Bill in November 2006 to force Telecom to open its network to competitors. The bill officially split Telecom into three business units from 31 March 2008, with network access separated from the wholesale and retail units.

Pirate Radar posted:

https://twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1315576467418472450?s=21

AvesPKS posted:

I have always wondered how this applies to New Zealand. It's confusing since I was taught in school that American Manifest Destiny was kind of a bad thing.

Personally I think the answer is history. The extent to which you can obscure an origin in the mists of legendry is probably directly proportionate to the extent that that claim be considered 'legitimate', whatever that means.

coke posted:

It's like if they taught the native indians histories in the US and actively spread the language and culture in the country.

Shame Boy posted:

In fairness we do actually teach native American histories in a lot of states (including goddamn Florida of all places, where I went to school) and do a reasonably good job of checking all the "and then we manifest destiny'd the gently caress out of this wonderful land!!!" with a lot of "oh also to do that we had to kill literally millions of people, take their land, and send whoever remained on a death march out to the desert only to come along later and do the same thing again when we actually wanted that desert". There's also various orgs for spreading and preservation of the languages that get government grants, but I guess we don't really have TV channels or radio in em' like that.

I'm not gonna say we do a great job at it or anything, but except for a few of the real fuckin' lovely states (I'm looking at you, Texas) we at least try to go over how there were people here first, they had this rich culture and history, and we royally hosed them at every turn.

Shame Boy posted:

In fairness we do actually teach native American histories in a lot of states (including goddamn Florida of all places, where I went to school) and do a reasonably good job of checking all the "and then we manifest destiny'd the gently caress out of this wonderful land!!!" with a lot of "oh also to do that we had to kill literally millions of people, take their land, and send whoever remained on a death march out to the desert only to come along later and do the same thing again when we actually wanted that desert". There's also various orgs for spreading and preservation of the languages that get government grants, but I guess we don't really have TV channels or radio in em' like that.

I'm not gonna say we do a great job at it or anything, but except for a few of the real fuckin' lovely states (I'm looking at you, Texas) we at least try to go over how there were people here first, they had this rich culture and history, and we royally hosed them at every turn.

Complications posted:

California, amusingly, does not do anything like that. Native American studies include mentions that they were mostly hunter gatherers, then when Europeans came the natives died of plague, got put in Spanish missions where they were basically servants for well-meaning monks (it doesn't say slave labor or that the mission period was when most of the survivors of the previous plague wave died), and when California was annexed and the gold rush happened nothing at all happened regarding the natives* until they got given reservations from the goodness of the hearts of the kind politicians of California in the 1880s and 1890s.

*It definitely does not mention that we committed literal genocide with literal bounties on natives' heads and literally legalized kidnapping and enslaving native children for several decades in the mid 1800s. 80% of the remaining population just totally vanished like mist on a summer morning without any interference from white people at all.

poo poo POST MALONE posted:

the most formative part of my high school education was when I missed a couple days of school due to being sick and it happened to be when we were being taught about Manifest Destiny.

just trying to catch up on the lessons I missed, I seriously asked other students and the teacher at least three times what the gently caress it was supposed to mean and I almost thought I was being pranked.

bike tory posted:

Even though it was likely only ~800 years ago, Māori were the first humans in New Zealand, while pākehā settled on already-occupied land. That would be one of the key difference in NZ, anyway. The British justified their occupation of various parts of New Zealand by declaring it "terra nullius", which of course it wasn't. Māori people themselves trace their lineage (the Māori word is whakapapa) both to the land in New Zealand, to which they have a spiritual connection that is distinct from any connection that more recent arrivals have, and also to which waka (ship) their ancestors arrived on. The largest social unit in pre-colonial Māori society was iwi, which got/gets translated as tribe, but what defined it was having a common ancestor who came on a specific waka.

The point I'm making here is that colonial frameworks are what constructed Māori as a single indigenous group. Within Māori frameworks for understanding themselves the concepts wouldn't really be distinct, and they instead use the term tāngata whenua to refer to Māori (which means "people of the land"), pākehā to refer to white people and tauiwi to refer to all non-Māori.

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

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bike tory posted:

Even though it was likely only ~800 years ago, Māori were the first humans in New Zealand

Shame Boy posted:

Thanks Nick Moore, UCA Design Student

indigi posted:

that's wild, I had no idea New Zealand was only settled so recently

indigi posted:

that's wild, I had no idea New Zealand was only settled so recently

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Gods_Butthole posted:

It's an Espresso of Identity

red19fire posted:

I’m going to go ahead and assume this was unpaid spec work or an internship.

Gods_Butthole posted:

It's an Espresso of Identity

spacetoaster posted:

Pretty sure some of those are Necron glyphs.

Shame Boy posted:

I found their linkedin and they look like a parody of a zoomer.

I'm not gonna link it cuz they're clearly just young and stupid and I'm not that mean but yeah.

Grim Up North posted:

Dunno, he seems quite sincere?

spacetoaster posted:

Pretty sure some of those are Necron glyphs.

bike tory posted:

But yeah the settlement of the Pacific is absolutely nuts, considering its size and the tiny size of the islands they landed on. The thing that really blows my mind is that there's also evidence of two way trade between a lot of the islands, so not only did they manage to find these loving places, but they also knew how to get back. These people were insanely skilled navigators.

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Stick charts were made and used by the Marshallese to navigate the Pacific Ocean by canoe off the coast of the Marshall Islands. The charts represented major ocean swell patterns and the ways the islands disrupted those patterns, typically determined by sensing disruptions in ocean swells by islands during sea navigation. Most stick charts were made from the midribs of coconut fronds that were tied together to form an open framework. Island locations were represented by shells tied to the framework, or by the lashed junction of two or more sticks. The threads represented prevailing ocean surface wave-crests and directions they took as they approached islands and met other similar wave-crests formed by the ebb and flow of breakers. Individual charts varied so much in form and interpretation that the individual navigator who made the chart was the only person who could fully interpret and use it.

ekuNNN posted:

anyway, capitalism:

ekuNNN posted:

anyway, capitalism:

T-man posted:

i'm gonna make gender expression flour

and just put cocaine in it, checking it is misgendering the flour. then arm all trans people

BonHair posted:

I think it's the same with Madagascar and Hawaii. It's the same "group" that discovered all three places. By boat. Starting in South East Asia. It's some pretty impressive poo poo.

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Māui's encounter with Hine-nui-te-pō[edit]
The great demi-god, Māui is tricked by his father into thinking he has a chance to achieve immortality. In order to obtain this, Māui is told to enter into the goddess through her vagina. While Hine-nui-te-pō is asleep, Māui undresses himself ready to enter himself into the goddess. One of his bird friends, the fantail, warned Hinenui-te-po of the situation and woke her. As Māui turned into a worm squirming to enter the goddess, Hinenui-te-po decide to punish the demi-god, she crushed him with the obsidian teeth in her vagina; Māui was the first man to die.[1][3]